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    *** Explicit Details of MAs at Spas ***

    This is a touchy subject but one that many members are wondering about for sure. The point of this discussion is to learn why it is a Terb rule that explicit services from MAs in Spas cannot be disclosed publicly.

    Note that anything you post below must NOT talk about any specific MA or even any specific Spa. Otherwise Father Terb will be quick to remind you lol:

    Quote Originally Posted by maseeker View Post
    Before some information or acronyms are mentioned, please be mindful about what should or should not allow to be discussed at the spa: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread...S-and-the-like. Somebody needs to be an adult here lol



    Is this touchy subject simply an organization issue? Like Spas and Agencies? It was REALLY surprising to read that Mirage do not disclose the details of the services being provided by their escorts: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?671311-Mirage

    Dealing with independent escorts makes life a lot easier. Back in 2016-2017 it seems that the norm was that escorts and clients were openly discussing restrictions with each other. For example if the escorts stated that her restrictions were: bbfs, greek, dato, cim, sw, then it was somewhat reasonable to assume she would provide: dfk, bbbj, daty, mpos cfs, cof. Of course it was still a good idea to confirm with her if one specific service was sought for the session. But it seems that in 2018-2019, escorts are more opened to disclose all the services they offer explicitly.

    It must be painful for clients to not being able to discuss and arrange for bj & fs, let alone not getting them! The whole Spa MA model makes it hard to have valuable reviews on Terb that a lot of guys want to read. Spa MA reviews all have the same feel: she was beautiful & nice, we showered, we kissed, I exploded, ... It make reviews sound a little flowery and Lyla-style compared to the detailed explicit escort reviews (hint: Mr. Poultry). Spa MA “reviews” lower the expectation of review content/detail and that is even more the case with a VERY LOW “GFE” STANDARD voting system of +/-1’s. Would member like to have 2 different sections that separates the explicit escorts to the shhhhhhush Spa MAs?

    Back to the actual question at hand: why it is a Terb rule that explicit services from MAs in Spas cannot be disclosed publicly here. Maybe the answer is obvious to some, but not to all. Here are 3 points to consider when giving an answer to the question:

    1. Everyone knows what generally really happens in Spas right? I'm sure the Terb Mod knows, I hope no one tries to say that the LE/cops don't know, and the MAs, Spas, hobbyists also knows. The only ones that don't know what's going on are the non-hobbying general public and the new inexperienced rookies, no? What's the big deal in discussing it openly then?

    2. Nothing that’s written in Terb by the members is legally binding right? Nothing here can be used as evidence in court right? Anyone can deny anything written on here right? The only credibility here is what members make of it between themselves, no?

    3. Isn't sex legal to sell but illegal to buy? Why would it be different from an escort to a Spa MA? Does it have to do with the "license" the Spa holds? If so, then what about #1 and #2 above?

    The question is, what's the big deal with disclosing Spa MA services? Somehow because it is mentioned on Terb, then LE will crack down on them? Really? First they already know what’s happening, they aren’t idiots! And crack down on what basis, because it is stated on Terb lol? And crack down on consenting adults having harmless fun together?

    Sorry if this post will trigger trollers and haters but I seek to be more informed on the industry. I'll admit that I haven't read all the C-36 stuff and that some of you will post the answer which will then appear obvious, I'm sure some members will be educated from your answers, starting with me.

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    Openly advertising sexual (blowjobs/intercourse) services would make a spa no different from a brothel. Some spas will look the other way when MAs provide those services, bu if it's openly discussed the attendant could be shut down or even fired. Also, many providers in spas have a YMMV standard, and don't want random guys stumbling in saying they read online that they do X/Y/Z. Discretion keeps the extras flowing, so to speak.

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    I think you're both correct here in part.

    One of the big changes in C-36 was where and how sexual service is advertised:

    (e) create an offence that prohibits communicating — for the purpose of selling sexual services — in a public place, or in any place open to public view, that is or is next to a school ground, playground or daycare centre;

    Now Indies would still be breaking this (I'm no lawyer) rule on individual websites, but Indies don't lead to problems, so likely left alone or hide rates and services behind a website membership to stay legal. The word 'roses' is still used for $$$ for many too. Not sure who it's fooling, causes roses are EXPENSIVE!; Lol.

    There are licensed body rub spas, private member clubs (Brass/ CMJ), and unlicensed spas. I feel if sexual services were discussed or advertised here "in public" it could be justification enough for further investigation. Brothel-like activity or discussion publicly can only lead to bad attention, and spa owners don't make money off of the extras (usually), so I can see why they would be very much against it.

    It would also create an expectation of extra service from some clients with all of the MA's at that location. I find that is dangerous and unfair to inexperienced new MA's and happens now regardless without it being discussed publicly.

    #justanopinion

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    Spa MA reviews all have the same feel: she was beautiful & nice, we showered, we kissed, I exploded
    I resemble that comment!
    #MTGA

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    Bobbiz, to answer your questions:

    1) Yes, I think it's pretty obvious that in a spa people go to get a massage.
    2) Most of what is written on terb is bullshit.
    3) Read the law, it seems clear enough to me. Looking to terb for legal advice is a bad idea. (See question #2)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poolasaurus View Post
    I resemble that comment!
    Totally agree. If SPA owners are against FS/BJ (like Brass) but OK with everything else, I still do not understand why, when I put a comment about DATY and digits, it gets deleted in a few hours. C'mon, OK, we have to be silent about sex and BJ at MPs, but why we cannot openly talk about DFK, DATY and digits? It will make our life so much easier if we know which girl provide such services (subject to YMMV) so that we can simply reconfirm with her at the "meet and greed" parade instead of asking every girl who walks in your room. The informative MPA's review that will make me eager to see a particular girl will look like "Over the 1-hour session we did not have time for a massage. It started with kissing that become DFK right away, and a bit of shower play with some DATY, then to a bed with lots of kissing and caressing, DATY, and digits. She seems to cum (or at least imitates it very convincingly), then it was my turn an she surely knows how to use her breasts and hands. HJ was very sensual and she really took her time. Then we cuddle for a few minutes, back to the shower, and an hour is gone. P.S.: she tastes very good down there "

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    PM is key
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    Meh...you guys are way too paranoid about the whole "fight club" MA thing. LE doesn't give a shit about the "spas's" in Ottawa unless there are trafficked or young girls there. They know where they all are, they know all of the talent, they have access to the internet and twitter and know how to search. They just don't care unless there is an issue serious enough to investigate. This self imposed secrecy is well intentioned, but ultimately fruitless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nesbot View Post
    Meh...you guys are way too paranoid about the whole "fight club" MA thing. LE doesn't give a shit about the "spas's" in Ottawa unless there are trafficked or young girls there. They know where they all are, they know all of the talent, they have access to the internet and twitter and know how to search. They just don't care unless there is an issue serious enough to investigate. This self imposed secrecy is well intentioned, but ultimately fruitless.
    Unfortunately, it is not self-imposed, it is moderator-imposed

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    Young attractive women can't control themselves when you drop a starkers generic looking old ratbag in front of them. No mystery here. LOL.

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    I think there is one other important aspect here. Not all girls offer a wide selection of extras. Many girls who make good money at an MP will only finish with HJ. If it were so easy for hobbiests to know who provides what extras, many girls will be driven out of the business and it will be more difficult for MPs to hire attractive girls. This is also why the most attractive girls in the industry are found at MPs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nesbot View Post
    Meh...you guys are way too paranoid about the whole "fight club" MA thing. LE doesn't give a shit about the "spas's" in Ottawa unless there are trafficked or young girls there. They know where they all are, they know all of the talent, they have access to the internet and twitter and know how to search. They just don't care unless there is an issue serious enough to investigate. This self imposed secrecy is well intentioned, but ultimately fruitless.
    I’ve been asked by MAs and Spa owners not to discuss services publicly, so I don’t.

    MA fight club sounds pretty cool tho.
    #MTGA

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    Part of it is the leftover rules of days gone by. We had to be careful about what we discussed, otherwise the police would use the information to arrest girls for prostitution. Those days are over, the new laws make prostitution semi-legal -- literally -- it's legal for providers to sell the services, but illegal for customers to buy them! This is known as the Swedish or Scandinavian model. The current law is obviously schizophrenic, and the police seem to be as confused about it as the rest of us about how to enforce it.

    Massage spas and escort agencies have fallen into a grey zone in this law. The law allows the girls to band together in a collective for their mutual protection, but it makes brothels and pimps illegal. So these agencies walk a tight line between being a collective of girls vs. being pimps and brothels. They are not supposed to advertise what their girls do at all.

    Now with all that being said, i see no problem in not being told in explicit detail exactly what services are available. I started in an earlier era, when it was much more difficult to communicate, so we got used to leaving things unsaid, and we did okay. That can largely still work today, I think too many guys think they need to be guaranteed things ahead of time, and that they can just pay for things to be guaranteed them. It really doesn't work that way, a girl might say yes on the phone, but it's always assumed to be YMMV. So don't expect everything to be okay to discuss on the phone or in a text.

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    OK, let's do a little experiment. I've just opened a thread called "full GFE MA in spas/clubs" for the purpose of sharing experience of more advanced services (like DATY) but not BJ anf FS. Let's see how long it will stay till it gets deleted.

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    Threads like this are horribly dangerous and harmful and NEED to be removed.

    Not only can you get MAs fired for what you post on here, you also put the spas at risk of losing their licenses, pave the way for dangerous and aggressive clients demanding the services they read here to be delivered and also potentially for migrant workers at Asian spas to get busted and possibly deported.

    I'm absolutely begging you to not start threads like this or discuss explicit details on here.

    If you want to know explicit details about GFE services in spas, use your PM function, it gets you the information you need and doesn't put others in harms way.

    PS - DATY, kissing and digits are all still considered sexual services and you're not being safe or discreet by leaving out just BJ's or FS, it's still just as risky

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    Come on guys. Amber is right.

    Whether selling sex is decriminalized or not, sexual services within a spa environment is a grey area.

    Why risk having bored LE decide on the occasional raid? How many of you actually want to get caught with your head between a MA's legs?

    To go beyond Amber's points...having been very close to a spa owner, the last thing they need is an overly nosy landlord who gets wind of actual sex onsite. Many landlords don't want the hassle or the risk should service be publicly advertised, or bragged about, as much more than standard MA body rub.

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    I also totally agree with Amber and curiosm7. A few people can ruin things for a lot of people. Like Spock said. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"

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    OP is just trying to stir shit up.

    He doesn't think things through.

    Probably why he always need to ask so many questions.

    #justanopinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyFever View Post
    Openly advertising sexual (blowjobs/intercourse) services would make a spa no different from a brothel. Some spas will look the other way when MAs provide those services, but if it's openly discussed the attendant could be shut down or even fired. Also, many providers in spas have a YMMV standard, and don't want random guys stumbling in saying they read online that they do X/Y/Z. Discretion keeps the extras flowing, so to speak.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wilson Lawrence View Post
    There are licensed body rub spas, private member clubs (Brass/ CMJ), and unlicensed spas. I feel if sexual services were discussed or advertised here "in public" it could be justification enough for further investigation. Brothel-like activity or discussion publicly can only lead to bad attention, and spa owners don't make money off of the extras (usually), so I can see why they would be very much against it. It would also create an expectation of extra service from some clients with all of the MA's at that location. I find that is dangerous and unfair to inexperienced new MA's and happens now regardless without it being discussed publicly.
    Quote Originally Posted by fall View Post
    Totally agree. If SPA owners are against FS/BJ (like Brass) but OK with everything else, I still do not understand why, when I put a comment about DATY and digits, it gets deleted in a few hours. C'mon, OK, we have to be silent about sex and BJ at MPs, but why we cannot openly talk about DFK, DATY and digits? It will make our life so much easier if we know which girl provide such services (subject to YMMV) so that we can simply reconfirm with her at the "meet and greed" parade instead of asking every girl who walks in your room. The informative MPA's review that will make me eager to see a particular girl will look like "Over the 1-hour session we did not have time for a massage. It started with kissing that become DFK right away, and a bit of shower play with some DATY, then to a bed with lots of kissing and caressing, DATY, and digits. She seems to cum (or at least imitates it very convincingly), then it was my turn an she surely knows how to use her breasts and hands. HJ was very sensual and she really took her time. Then we cuddle for a few minutes, back to the shower, and an hour is gone. P.S.: she tastes very good down there "
    Quote Originally Posted by Nesbot View Post
    Meh...you guys are way too paranoid about the whole "fight club" MA thing. LE doesn't give a shit about the "spas's" in Ottawa unless there are trafficked or young girls there. They know where they all are, they know all of the talent, they have access to the internet and twitter and know how to search. They just don't care unless there is an issue serious enough to investigate. This self imposed secrecy is well intentioned, but ultimately fruitless.
    Quote Originally Posted by S573331 View Post
    I think there is one other important aspect here. Not all girls offer a wide selection of extras. Many girls who make good money at an MP will only finish with HJ. If it were so easy for hobbiests to know who provides what extras, many girls will be driven out of the business and it will be more difficult for MPs to hire attractive girls. This is also why the most attractive girls in the industry are found at MPs.
    So gathering some key points:

    Because MAs are YMMV (I'm pretty sure almost everyone is in the industry...) and want to be able to do extras with who they want.

    Because MAs want to be able to upcharge for extras.

    Because it's a grey delicate affair and Spas cannot be seen as brothels.

    But none of those points answer the question at hand... why can't it be discussed on here? Let's keep in mind that Terb is not a Spa or a MA lol

    Maybe because of...

    Quote Originally Posted by Poolasaurus View Post
    I’ve been asked by MAs and Spa owners not to discuss services publicly, so I don’t.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amber Glory View Post
    Threads like this are horribly dangerous and harmful and NEED to be removed. Not only can you get MAs fired for what you post on here, you also put the spas at risk of losing their licenses, pave the way for dangerous and aggressive clients demanding the services they read here to be delivered and also potentially for migrant workers at Asian spas to get busted and possibly deported. I'm absolutely begging you to not start threads like this or discuss explicit details on here.
    LOL! There are no mention of any specific MAs and Spas in this thread! Plus, everyone knows already what's going on! lol How can a Spa lose it's license on the basis of what's written on Terb?

    I do get the ultra-YMMV and upcharge business model.

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    Quote Originally Posted by curiousm7 View Post
    Come on guys. Amber is right. Whether selling sex is decriminalized or not, sexual services within a spa environment is a grey area. Why risk having bored LE decide on the occasional raid? How many of you actually want to get caught with your head between a MA's legs? To go beyond Amber's points...having been very close to a spa owner, the last thing they need is an overly nosy landlord who gets wind of actual sex onsite. Many landlords don't want the hassle or the risk should service be publicly advertised, or bragged about, as much more than standard MA body rub.
    Quote Originally Posted by downbound123 View Post
    I also totally agree with Amber and curiosm7. A few people can ruin things for a lot of people. Like Spock said. "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few"
    You two seem to think that landlords and cops and Spock doesn't know what happens in Spas...

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    Quote Originally Posted by asuran View Post
    OP is just dumb trying to stir shit up. He doesn't think things through. Probably why he always need to ask so many questions.
    I know I never think anything through in life, I do everything in the spurt of the moment. You are totally right, I'll try to think things through a little more from now on. I hope your day hasn't been too distressed over this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbiz View Post
    I know I never think anything through in life, I do everything in the spurt of the moment. You are totally right, I'll try to think things through a little more from now on. I hope your day hasn't been too distressed over this.
    Well, I don't know anything about your life since I do prefer privacy. So I can't comment on that. If you feel or, as you said, know you lack on that end we can discuss that too if you feel like.

    I am glad I am able to help guide you in becoming a better member. Just here to help whenever I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbiz View Post
    ... why can't it be discussed on here? Let's keep in mind that Terb is not a Spa or a MA lol
    Because terb admin. will not permit it. https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread...S-and-the-like
    #MTGA

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    Quote Originally Posted by fall View Post
    OK, let's do a little experiment. I've just opened a thread called "full GFE MA in spas/clubs" for the purpose of sharing experience of more advanced services (like DATY) but not BJ anf FS. Let's see how long it will stay till it gets deleted.
    OK, my "full GFE MA in spas/clubs" post with explicit DATY comment survived a few hours and got deleted by admin. So, admin censorship is the main reason we do not talk about DATY. By the way, to all people that saying DATY and digits is a sex service, so is HJ. So why we can talk about DFK and HJ at spas here but not about DATY? It has no sense from legal perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillROAMing View Post
    Because terb admin. will not permit it. https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread...S-and-the-like
    HJ is also an "extra" as well as bodyslide, so, the above admin post is hypocritical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fall View Post
    HJ is also an "extra" as well as bodyslide, so, the above admin post is hypocritical.
    Someone correct me if I'm wrong but HJs and bodyslides are accepted with a city permit so there's no hypocrisy here.

    Either way, it is what it is, we are here FOC and terb is a benevolant dictatorship.
    #MTGA

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