Trump Cleared

Butler1000 said:

As I said for over two years.

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Me too. In fact, I posted two years ago that the Russian collusion idiocy would prove to be the biggest fake news story of 2017.

You, me and others also repeatedly pointed out there was "no evidence" of any collusion. That was always met with responses about "just wait", Mueller hasn't revealed the evidence "yet", etc., etc.

It's now official. The whole thing was fake news.

In fact, it's now time to investigate Hillary Clinton and the other Democrats -- including partisans in the justice system -- who fabricated this whole fake news story.

https://nypost.com/2019/03/23/how-to-end-our-national-nightmare-probe-hillary-clinton-again/

Moviefan-2 said:

You, me and others also repeatedly pointed out there was "no evidence" of any collusion.

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Just not enough evidence to indite.
Burner phones, no notes on Putin meetings.....

As Mueller said, it doesn't mean he's innocent.

https://www.rt.com/usa/454648-mueller-russiagate-hoax-reckoning/


The Democrats and mass media should be held accountable for weaponizing the Mueller probe against Trump, ruining US-Russia ties and the lives of many Americans, ‘collusion skeptics’ tell RT, after suffering years of vilification.
“All of us were also exonerated, not just the president,” Daniel McAdams, Executive Director of the Ron Paul Institute, told RT, after Special Counsel Robert Mueller found no collusion between the Trump campaign and Moscow during the 2016 US election.

“It was a witch hunt. [Trump] knew it was a witch hunt... perhaps one of the greatest hoaxes in US history,” McAdams said, stressing that all Trump supporters suffered greatly for their criticism of the two-year-long probe.

“We were demonized, we were vilified for two years, called all manner of names,” while the Democrats and most of America’s mass media were engaged in pushing a false narrative about Trump's conspiracy with Russia.

At the end of the day, there should be a real reckoning from this.

“Now that these people have pushed this false narrative, and have damaged lives, and have damaged careers – is this where it's going to end? Are they going to have to pay for their crimes?”

‘Death row for US mass media’
The American establishment and mass media not only wasted millions of taxpayers’ dollars “fomenting and stoking tensions” between world nuclear superpowers, but also undermining any remaining trust in them, political analyst Charles Ortel told RT. Americans will have to be looking elsewhere for alternative news sources to avoid being duped any further by the chorus of disinformation from the mainstream media, he added.

“Any of these outlets that have been subjecting the world to all this... this is going to mark a death row for a lot of traditional media complexes, and magazines, and newspapers, etc,” he said. “Many Americans are sick and tired of this baloney. And we’re going to tune it out, we’re going to be rejecting them. We’re going to be looking for our news in a different way.”

https://www.rt.com/usa/454648-mueller-russiagate-hoax-reckoning/

Frankfooter said:

Just not enough evidence to indite.
Burner phones, no notes on Putin meetings.....

As Mueller said, it doesn't mean he's innocent.

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can't you read?


Mueller does not find Trump campaign knowingly conspired with Russia

Special Counsel Robert Mueller's report on Russian meddling in the 2016 election did not find that any U.S. or Trump campaign officials knowingly conspired with Russia, according to details released on Sunday.

Attorney General William Barr sent a summary of conclusions from the report to congressional leaders and the media on Sunday afternoon. Mueller concluded his investigation on Friday after nearly two years, turning in a report to the top U.S. law enforcement officer

canada-man said:

can't you read?


Mueller does not find Trump campaign knowingly conspired with Russia

Special Counsel Robert Mueller's report on Russian meddling in the 2016 election did not find that any U.S. or Trump campaign officials knowingly conspired with Russia, according to details released on Sunday.

Attorney General William Barr sent a summary of conclusions from the report to congressional leaders and the media on Sunday afternoon. Mueller concluded his investigation on Friday after nearly two years, turning in a report to the top U.S. law enforcement officer

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They will never let this go because it's not about collusion and it never was. It's all about Trump's taking the White House in 2016.

Moviefan-2 said:

Exactly. You can't have "obstruction of justice" in the absence of a crime. Mueller concluded there was no collusion to steal the Democrat's emails -- thus, there was nothing to "obstruct."

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Yes you can.

Even if there was no Russian collusion, trump obviously wanted the investigation shut down for other reasons: ie. embarrassing info would be revealed, it put a cloud over his presidency, etc. It is possible to obstruct an investigation even if you have not committed the crime being investigated. Nevertheless, one of the reasons Barr cited for not pursuing charges was the absence of an underlying crime which (presumably) would make it more difficult to prove corrupt intent which is one of the elements of proving the case in court.

Mueller’s report made it clear that he was not exonerating trump of obstruction. It sounds like trump was guilty of some rather shady behaviour but that it did not quite rise to the level of criminal Obstruction of Justice.

The net result: trump is shady af but not quite a criminal when it comes to Obstruction. Trump supporters will of course celebrate this as a great victory...for them the bar is very low. Anything that makes libs heads explode is a Win for them so...Congrats (I guess).

Maybe now Trump can get rid of the evil neocons (Pompeo and Bolton) and get on with his promise to not intervene in other countries.

Knuckle Ball said:

Yes you can.

Even if there was no Russian collusion, trump obviously wanted the investigation shut down for other reasons: ie. embarrassing info would be revealed, it put a cloud over his presidency, etc. It is possible to obstruct an investigation even if you have not committed the crime being investigated. Nevertheless, one of the reasons Barr cited for not pursuing charges was the absence of an underlying crime which (presumably) would make it more difficult to prove corrupt intent which is one of the elements of proving the case in court.

Mueller’s report made it clear that he was not exonerating trump of obstruction. It sounds like trump was guilty of some rather shady behaviour but that it did not quite rise to the level of criminal Obstruction of Justice.

The net result: trump is shady af but not quite a criminal when it comes to Obstruction. Trump supporters will of course celebrate this as a great victory...for them the bar is very low. Anything that makes libs heads explode is a Win for them so...Congrats (I guess).

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LOL! Precisely. If you cannot prove corrupt intent, there's no corruption because the President, as a head of the Executive Branch, has the right and the power to shut down an investigation and fire anyone employed by the Executive Branch. The complete exoneration on the collusion allegations destroy any chance of corrupt intent.

jcpro said:

LOL! Precisely. If you cannot prove corrupt intent, there's no corruption because the President, as a head of the Executive Branch, has the right and the power to shut down an investigation and fire anyone employed by the Executive Branch. The complete exoneration on the collusion allegations destroy any chance of corrupt intent.

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That's what Barr argues, of course he was put in because of that position, so his hire is just more obstruction of justice.
Remember, this is Barr's position, not Mueller's.

Deputy Rod Rosenstein and I have concluded that the evidence developed during the Special Counsel’s investigation is not sufficient to establish that the President committed an obstruction-of-justice offense.

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https://lawandcrime.com/opinion/heres-the-fundamental-problem-with-barrs-no-obstruction-conclusion/

I think this is going to carry on for a long time, with obstruction of justice to follow.
Trump's mob tactics, burner phones, no computer, no notes, made it hard to pin on him.
But lets see what congress says.

I'd expect that Mueller thinks that congress should be the ones to look at obstruction and impeachment, not him.

Frankfooter said:

That's what Barr argues, of course he was put in because of that position, so his hire is just more obstruction of justice.
Remember, this is Barr's position, not Mueller's.

https://lawandcrime.com/opinion/heres-the-fundamental-problem-with-barrs-no-obstruction-conclusion/

I think this is going to carry on for a long time, with obstruction of justice to follow.
Trump's mob tactics, burner phones, no computer, no notes, made it hard to pin on him.
But lets see what congress says.

I'd expect that Mueller thinks that congress should be the ones to look at obstruction and impeachment, not him.

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It doesn't matter what Mueller's position is because he was hired to INVESTIGATE not to interpret the law. Barr and Rosenstein made that determination after being presented with evidence (or lack of it) gathered by Mueller.

jcpro said:

LOL! Precisely. If you cannot prove corrupt intent, there's no corruption because the President, as a head of the Executive Branch, has the right and the power to shut down an investigation and fire anyone employed by the Executive Branch. The complete exoneration on the collusion allegations destroy any chance of corrupt intent.

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You could still try to prove that he was worried other info might come out, that it would cast a shadow over his presidency, etc. but it would be extremely difficult to prove any of that unless he specifically said to somebody that was why he did it. As Michael Cohen explained, that’s not how trump operates. He does not come out and say things directly for exactly that reason; all his communication is based on a look, a couple words, and reading between the lines. He operates like a mob boss and this is exactly the reason why.

It’s pretty obvious that he wanted the Russia investigation shut down for his own personal reasons...but proving that in court would be almost impossible. So you are probably right.

Knuckle Ball said:

You could still try to prove that he was worried other info might come out, that it would cast a shadow over his presidency, etc. but it would be extremely difficult to prove any of that unless he specifically said to somebody that was why he did it. As Michael Cohen explained, that’s not how trump operates. He does not come out and say things directly for exactly that reason; all his communication is based on a look, a couple words, and reading between the lines. He operates like a mob boss and this is exactly the reason why.

It’s pretty obvious that he wanted the Russia investigation shut down for his own personal reasons...but proving that in court would be almost impossible. So you are probably right.

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No, he wanted the Russia investigation ended because it was an hoax. And the Mueller's conclusion is exactly the same- there was no collusion or conspiracy of any kind between the Trump's campaign and the Russians.

Knuckle Ball said:

You could still try to prove that he was worried other info might come out, that it would cast a shadow over his presidency, etc. but it would be extremely difficult to prove any of that unless he specifically said to somebody that was why he did it. As Michael Cohen explained, that’s not how trump operates. He does not come out and say things directly for exactly that reason; all his communication is based on a look, a couple words, and reading between the lines. He operates like a mob boss and this is exactly the reason why.

It’s pretty obvious that he wanted the Russia investigation shut down for his own personal reasons...but proving that in court would be almost impossible. So you are probably right.

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Nunes earlier tweeted: "The Russia investigation was based on false pretenses, false intel, and false media reports. House Intel found a yr ago there was no evidence of collusion, and Democrats who falsely claim to have such evidence have needlessly provoked a terrible, more than two-year-long crisis."


And now Sperry is reporting that Nunes is preparing criminal referrals: "House Intel has evidence Clinton operatives & hi-level FBI & DOJ officials started Trump-Russia investigation in "late 2015/early 2016" &that House GOP will be making criminal referrals to AG"

The 'coup' comes full circle...






How long before #LockThemUp starts trending?

bver_hunter said:

Hilarious if you think that it was the MSM that fed us with the weapons of Mass destruction. It was the Right Wing Republican Bush Administration that did so. Thanks to the sane Liberal Chretien Government, Canada did not buy that BS. That is a FACT!!

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You mean that Judith Miller and the New York Times are not MSM? The NYT was the main protagonist in the lie about WMD's.
The US mainstream left, especially the Democratic party, are indeed war mongers. In recent history, they gave you Libya, Kosovo, Yugoslavia, and continued Iraq and Afghanistan after the US Republicans started it.

Frankfooter said:

Trump doesn't use a computer, used burner phones and refused to take notes during meetings with Putin.
Just means that Mueller couldn't get enough evidence to charge him.

Barr decided not to move forward with obstruction, no big surprise, that's what he was hired for.

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For two years we had to listen to your irrational posturing about Mueller and impeachment. No surprise you are still irrational.

jcpro said:

They will never let this go because it's not about collusion and it never was. It's all about Trump's taking the White House in 2016.

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Bingo. And those alt left asshats need to pay for their irresponsible behavior and waste of taxpayer money. It's unlikely that they will ever be fully prosecuted but most likely they will pay at the place they fear the most ..... 2020 elections. Drain the fuckin swamp Donnie!!

jcpro said:

It doesn't matter what Mueller's position is because he was hired to INVESTIGATE not to interpret the law. Barr and Rosenstein made that determination after being presented with evidence (or lack of it) gathered by Mueller.

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No, Mueller put the evidence together so congress can decide.
Its up to them whether to impeach or not based on what else is in the report that Barr might let them see.