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Mueller Report to AG!

Butler1000

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Going to be alot of disappointed people coming up.
 

Knuckle Ball

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Apparently there will be no new indictments from the Special Counsel’s office. I suspect this means trump is in the clear as far as Russian collusion goes.

The DOJ policy is not to indict a sitting president; but if no one else has in trump’s circle has been charged with collusion/conspiracyn(eg Don Jr) then trump probably is free and clear.

Obstruction of Justice is another matter but if there was no collusion then I doubt Obstruction allegations will go anywhere in Congress.

There may be info in the report that reflects poorly on trump but his supporters won’t care...the political effect will be minimal imho. On balance this will probably be a win for trump.
 

kkelso

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So...impeachment by Sunday? Or does it need to wait until a business day?

KK
 

Darts

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The Democrats want to see the full report and not just the conclusion(s). All this would do is create more nitpicking. More wasted time and resources. Maybe the Dems should focus on the business of the nation instead of beating a dead horse.
 

bver_hunter

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16 Trump associates who have had contact with the Russians and lies galore. Obviously the report will be fully redacted by the AG. This will be just the start as he will have to testify before the Justice Committee. Then Mueller will also be asked to appear before both the House as well as the Justice Committee. Everyone wants to see the actual dirt on the President that will be part of the redacted text, so the Democrats should proceed to obtain it even if they have to go to court for it. Well, that is what the Republican held Congress wanted from the Clinton email investigation and managed to get the report as well. This is not a dead horse by any means as the 7 investigations on Trump's shady personal and business dealings are still under investigation:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46407999
 

jcpro

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Now, phase two. Investigate the dirty cops, dirty lawyers at the DOJ and the FISA abuses against Carter Page.
 

Butler1000

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Yes, I'm sure there are.

The question is it going to be you or me.
As no new indictments are coming guess who is in the lead on this..........
 

Butler1000

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16 Trump associates who have had contact with the Russians and lies galore. Obviously the report will be fully redacted by the AG. This will be just the start as he will have to testify before the Justice Committee. Then Mueller will also be asked to appear before both the House as well as the Justice Committee. Everyone wants to see the actual dirt on the President that will be part of the redacted text, so the Democrats should proceed to obtain it even if they have to go to court for it. Well, that is what the Republican held Congress wanted from the Clinton email investigation and managed to get the report as well. This is not a dead horse by any means as the 7 investigations on Trump's shady personal and business dealings are still under investigation:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46407999
Give it up. Russia is over. And with it so goes the credibility of any other investigations.
 

Frankfooter

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As no new indictments are coming guess who is in the lead on this..........
Mueller.

Filing just as he wanted.

The pro-Trump spin machine is out on the airwaves, touting that the just-completed Mueller Report recommends no new indictments.

For ten briefly-stated reasons, the Mueller action marks more of a beginning, than an end, to the search for wrongdoing in the Russia scandal.

First, there are very active continuing investigations. When special counsels complete their reports of their principal findings, that does not end the inquiries. Instead, the tasks for prosecutors and investigators are turned over to the continuing active investigations. In this instance, the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York has brought prosecutions already, like Michael Cohen’s, to build on. Matters within that U.S. Attorney’s broad jurisdiction will continue forward.

Second, it is pure spin to make the issue whether new indictments are in the report. Mueller may well think that the report should give an account of his findings. New indictments are not to be expected in a report on findings. Indictments come, when ready, from the grand jury, not in reports. Rather, indictments that are moving toward readiness would come out in the other investigations, like that of the SDNY.

Third, there is particular reason to expect evidence to come out about Trump and Russia. The former National Security Adviser, Michael T. Flynn, has pled to Mueller’s charges. But nothing further of what he knows has become public before now. There is every reason to expect that whatever limited Flynn evidence is revealed via Mueller's report, there will be further evidence at the highest level as Flynn becomes a witness for more forums.

Fourth, there are a host of witnesses whose cooperation can be expected from the pressures built up from the investigations. An example is Allen Weisselberg, the corporate finance officer who carried out Trump’s instructions within the Trump Organization. In the immediate aftermath of Cohen’s testimony, it was clear than Weisselberg has not been cooperating, and that he knows an enormous amount of the wrongful things Trump ordered. The report by Mueller hardly marks an end for the pressure on Weisselberg to cooperate. That pressure will build both from prosecutors and from Congress.


Fifth, Barr has announced he will brief Congressional figures about the conclusions of the Mueller Report. But, if the Democratic leaders have any sense (and they do), they will ask for documents, not just briefings, be provided to their investigating committees. Barr will create some fog and confusion by providing relatively empty briefings. But, the press wants documents, and so indirectly does the public. Barr’s briefings will briefly stall the controversies but not forestall demands for hard evidence.

Sixth, House Democratic committees will pick up the relay baton at this point. The situation is radically different than last year, when House Republicans worked openly with the Trump White House. House Democratic Committees have the power of subpoenas to pick up where the Mueller report leaves off. They have many lines to pursue, from Trump’s relations with Deutsche Bank to what Trump’s income taxes reveal.

Seventh, Mueller himself may testify at hearings. This would electrify the country. No amount of spin by House Republicans could divert him from making the points he wants. It will matter very little on the day of Mueller’s testimony whether he left further indictments to other prosecutors. His actual findings will matter far more.

Eighth, this is the beginning, not the end, of evidentiary fights. It is quite possible that Attorney General Barr will provide briefings without documents, leaving out, for example, the key e-mail messages showing Trump falsified his family’s account about a meeting with Russians. On all sides it is expected that the Democratic House will seek those documents, and that the White House will assert executive privilege. Executive privilege is very reminiscent of what the Nixon White House asserted during Watergate.

Ninth, there have been many signs that Trump will use pardoning to ease the pressure on his campaign manager, Paul Manafort, facing two stretches in prison. The submission of the Mueller report clears the way for this. But, this would also elicit a public storm, and strengthen the case about obstruction of justice.

To paraphrase Winston Churchill, we are either at the beginning of the end, or the end of the beginning. But the scandal is not done.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/charle...eport-by-touting-no-indictments/#658af4de529a
 

bver_hunter

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Give it up. Russia is over. And with it so goes the credibility of any other investigations.
Not up to you or I to give it up. The Democrats will pursue definite criminal acts as the evidence is there, for all to see. No Bernie Sanders supporters will want it to end here. So you give it up!!
 

Butler1000

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Not up to you or I to give it up. The Democrats will pursue definite criminal acts as the evidence is there, for all to see. No Bernie Sanders supporters will want it to end here. So you give it up!!
You really are reaching. This is over. I flipped on Rachel Maddow tonight. She looked like she had been crying.

For two years 90% of her show has been her contention of "RUSSIA!!!!!".

It's over.
 

Butler1000

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jcpro

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You really are reaching. This is over. I flipped on Rachel Maddow tonight. She looked like she had been crying.

For two years 90% of her show has been her contention of "RUSSIA!!!!!".

It's over.
I don't mind the Maddows or Matthews of this world, they're just talking heads and not journalists. But, CNN and WaPo and NYT and others really damaged journalism by getting ahead of the facts and perpetuating this hoax for over two years. This is what we should be mourning. After this, every time Trump says "fake news", a great portion of the country will nod their heads and say "yep". We rely on the independent media to hold the powers that be in check. That role of the free and apolitical press died on March 22nd 2019. There's nothing to celebrate, here.
 

Frankfooter

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It's over. Trump tower meeting is over. All the supposed plea deals are over. Russia is over.

All that is left is some straw grasping and a new FISA Warrent investigation against former and present FBI agents for their lies.
You've been watching Fox too much again.
Should have been reading the court documents filed.
 

Darts

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The Dems are saying that a lot of time, taxpayer resources and effort was poured into the Mueller Report. Are they now saying that more time, taxpayer resources and effort should be wasted tilting at windmills. Smart people know when to quit when they've lost but then who ever accused the left as being smart?
 

Frankfooter

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The Dems are saying that a lot of time, taxpayer resources and effort was poured into the Mueller Report. Are they now saying that more time, taxpayer resources and effort should be wasted tilting at windmills. Smart people know when to quit when they've lost but then who ever accused the left as being smart?
Why would you think they have 'lost' before you know what's in the report?
 
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