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canada-man

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Acquisition of land through war is a war crime.
We are so past 'to the victor goes the spoils'.

If you believed that was the law of the land, would that apply to thieves who broke into your place?
Syria are the thieves that invaded or attacked Israel. Defending one's country is not a war crime. Syria lost the gh. Boo hoo. Why are you not condemning Turkey for occupying northern Cyprus? Indonesian occupation of west Papua? Pakistan's occupation of Balochistan? Your obsession with Israel only shows your hypocrisy
 

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Syria are the thieves that invaded or attacked Israel. Defending one's country is not a war crime. Syria lost the gh. Boo hoo. Why are you not condemning Turkey for occupying northern Cyprus? Indonesian occupation of west Papua? Pakistan's occupation of Balochistan? Your obsession with Israel only shows your hypocrisy
Why are you defending taking land by force?
You really a supporter of western colonization at the point of a gun?
 

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Why are you defending taking land by force?
You really a supporter of western colonization at the point of a gun?
Dude can't you read? Syria attacked Israel and lost
 

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Syria are the thieves that invaded or attacked Israel. Defending one's country is not a war crime. Syria lost the gh. Boo hoo. Why are you not condemning Turkey for occupying northern Cyprus? Indonesian occupation of west Papua? Pakistan's occupation of Balochistan? Your obsession with Israel only shows your hypocrisy
Let us go forward to the past, 1930's to be exact.
it is OK for China to take Taiwan and a dozen more islands, Russia to take half of Ukraine and maybe Georgia, USA to take Venezuela, etc etc.
 

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Acquisition of territory by war is the new principle of USA foreign policy.
Starting a war is a well worn policy of Arab states. In real life, there are consequences to be paid for actions.
 

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This should dispel any rumors that Trump is an anti-Semite. (His daughter is Jewish and he moved the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.)
Trump is only looking for continued donations from his Jewish supporters who happen to be rich and right-leaning and/or avidly pro-Israel. He is just looking for more money which is motivation for everything he does, starting with running for prez.
 

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Starting a war is a well worn policy of Arab states. In real life, there are consequences to be paid for actions.
Is it now? I remember lately USA invading Lebanon, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria.
 

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Trump's statement on Golan sparks int'l uproar

Reaching for political heights? Trump's statement on Golan sparks int'l uproar
Published time: 22 Mar, 2019 19:26

US President Donald Trump’s idea to recognize Israel’s sovereignty over the Golan Heights has sent shock waves throughout the world as nations in the Middle East and beyond slammed it as contrary to international law.
Trump has once again rocked the world with yet another demonstratively pro-Israeli stunt as he said it was time for the US to officially recognize Israel’s sovereignty over the disputed Golan Heights. While Tel Aviv rejoiced at the news, the international community was definitely not amused as nations around the world, including America’s close allies, rushed to condemn the idea.


It’s time for US to fully recognize Israel’s ‘sovereignty’ over disputed Golan Heights – Trump
‘Completely beyond international law’
Trump’s suggestion has infuriated the Muslim world. Syria, which is recognized as the rightful owner of the Golan Heights under international law, condemned what it called an “irresponsible” statement, which shows Washington’s blatant bias towards the Israeli occupation and its “contempt” for international law.

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Iran said that Trump’s “rash” decisions once again only demonstrate that US policies pose a danger to the entire world as they push the already “volatile” Middle East towards “successive crises.” The Arab League denounced Trump’s statement as well by saying it was “completely beyond international law.”

US NATO ally, Turkey, which has some tensions with Washington over its arms imports, also joined the chorus of critics as its president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, said that the legitimization of the occupation of the Golan Heights cannot be allowed.


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The territorial integrity of states is the most fundamental principle of international law. Attempts by the #US to legitimize #Israel's actions against international law will only lead to more violence and pain in the region. Turkey supports #Syria's territorial integrity.

Egypt earlier also rejected Trump’s call by saying that it still sees the Golan as Syrian land. Notably, the only major regional power to stay silent on this occasion was the US’ closer ally – Saudi Arabia – which has not yet issued any explicit statement in the wake of Trump’s call.

‘Contrary to the Middle East peacemaking process’
Following the US president’s statement, Russia warned that such calls could further destabilize an already tense situation in the Middle East. “This very idea is by no means conducive to the aims and goal of the Middle East peacemaking process,” the Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told journalists. “It is more like the opposite is the case.”

Egypt sees Golan Heights as occupied Syrian land – Cairo https://on.rt.com/9qoe


The Russian president’s spokesman said that Trump’s statement has so far been just an informal call and expressed his hope that it would stay this way. Earlier, a Russian senator, Oleg Morozov, said that Moscow would never support the recognition of Israeli sovereignty over the Golan Heights.

‘Null & void’
The US’ Western allies were just as reluctant to support Trump in this case while stressing the importance of abiding by international law. The EU, as well as France and Germany, all said that their position on the matter stays unchanged regardless of any statements made by the US president as they would prefer to stick to the international norms.

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An EU spokeswoman said that the bloc does not recognize Israel’s sovereignty over the territories occupied by Israel since June 1967. The French foreign ministry noted that Israel’s claims for sovereignty over the Golan have been “recognized as null and void” by several UN Security Council’s resolutions.

Berlin said it rejected any unilateral steps, adding that the Golan Heights are still universally recognized as an occupied territory of Syria. “This is still a status quo under the international law,” the German Foreign Ministry’s deputy spokeswoman, Ulrike Demmer, said

‘Regional security’?
However, even in the face of massive international backlash, Trump seems to be quite persistent in his plan to push his idea through. On Friday, he told Fox Business he had “been thinking about doing it for a long time,” adding that it was “very much like … moving the embassy to Jerusalem.”

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“I did it. It has been done and it’s fine,” he said, referring to the moving of the US embassy to Jerusalem, which also sent shock waves through the world at that time and sparked massive protests in the Middle East. He claimed that the Golan Heights “are the same thing.”

Trump maintained that it is supposedly all “about regional security” while denying that his call has anything to do with the forthcoming Israeli elections, which he claimed he “had no idea” about.

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Acquisition of land through war is a war crime....?
Turkey in Northern Cyprus, China in Tibet, Kaliningrad, .... Oh wait, those don't bother you. I wonder why.


If Syria was even a somewhat functioning democracy it would be a different story.
 

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Why are you defending taking land by force?...
Why are you complaining about only one case?

Israel has already traded land for peace with Egypt and offered the West Bank back to Jordan (they didn't want it any more). Unless you are aware of a Syrian government that was willing to make peace with Israel in exchange for the Golan, it's also a moot question.


More importantly, Trump's opinion of the relations between two other countries is not very significant.
 

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Strange but I don't recall your criticism of Russia over Crimea or Eastern Ukraine.
Seems small potatoes after USA invading Lebanon, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria.
 

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Strange but I don't recall your criticism of Russia over Crimea or Eastern Ukraine.
they did a referendum over Crimea, people want to be part of Russia by a vast majority. If the west thought this was fake they would have suggested a UN sanctioned referrendum ...but they don't because they know they would lose.
 

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Is it now? I remember lately USA invading Lebanon, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria.
And the consequence is that it cost them money.
 

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Seems small potatoes after USA invading Lebanon, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria.
US invaded Lebanon? Who knew?

Syria occupied Lebanon for 30 years or so. Israel occupied a small chunk of the south for 15 of those years. Don't recall a US invasion.
 
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