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rhuarc29

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When are police going to stop this abuse
Probably never, because it's an emotional argument, isn't it? When someone complains about an amber alert, advocates will never have empathy for them because those advocates are emotionally compromised. There's no reasoning with someone who's emotionally compromised.

It's the same reason both our province and country are drowning in government debt. The bleeding hearts think up some social program, we pass legislation for it, but we can't afford it. When you bring up that we can't afford it, you're accused of being anti-poverty and heartless. Just as you are accused of being heartless when you object to amber alerts being blasted out excessively. There's no reasoning because it's an emotional argument.
 

TeeJay

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Funny they sent out ANOTHER one from Markham today
I called to complain (got idea from news stories) and asked the 911 operator to add my number to their do not call list
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These people who wine about a few alarms going off should remember that a childs life is at stake to me its no bother at all.
 

explorerzip

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Since many people seem to be constantly glued to their phones, I'd say we need more of these alerts to wake them up once in a while.
 

explorerzip

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These people who wine about a few alarms going off should remember that a childs life is at stake to me its no bother at all.
Realistically, how often are people getting these alerts? These alerts are not occurring every night, week or even every month. There would be much bigger problems in society if that were the case.
 

explorerzip

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Probably never, because it's an emotional argument, isn't it? When someone complains about an amber alert, advocates will never have empathy for them because those advocates are emotionally compromised. There's no reasoning with someone who's emotionally compromised.

It's the same reason both our province and country are drowning in government debt. The bleeding hearts think up some social program, we pass legislation for it, but we can't afford it. When you bring up that we can't afford it, you're accused of being anti-poverty and heartless. Just as you are accused of being heartless when you object to amber alerts being blasted out excessively. There's no reasoning because it's an emotional argument.
The reason we're drowning in debt is too many Amber Alerts? Might want to work on the critical thinking skills just a bit.
 

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This one was done properly by York Region ... knew the child was not where she was to be, placed the alert promptly, and the child was recovered and the father arrested.

Peel, on the other hand found out at about 6 pm, give or take, and "investigated" despite corroborating evidence, and waited 6 1/2 hours (12:30 or so am) to put it out. That one ended badly.

The alerts are a great thing if handled intelligently, and prompt issuance where warranted will yield better results. Sit with your thumb up your a** wait longer, give the perp more time, and see how it goes into the shitter.

Just one mans opinion.
 

Elagabalus

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Amber Alerts should not be used to address custody disputes between parents.

Society agreed to Amber Alerts under the guise that they would be used to notify the public when a child was abducted by a stranger. They are named after a girl named Amber who was abducted by a complete stranger, thus the term Amber Alert.

A child in the custody of her father is not abducted. She is with a parent. Who should have legal custody is a civil matter, not a criminal matter.

Amber Alerts should not be used to address custody issues. If we continue to abuse the system every time Dad picks up the daughter from school instead of Mom, or a child is dropped off late, we will become numb to them, and their effectiveness will dull. And then, when a girl really is abducted, the alerts will fall on deaf ears.
 

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A child in the custody of her father is not abducted. She is with a parent. Who should have legal custody is a civil matter, not a criminal matter.
It is a civil matter and it was determined the father had no right to access to the child. Once he ignored the court order it became a criminal matter. The father had no custody rights to the child so him removing her from school was an unlawful act of abduction.
 

TeeJay

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Realistically, how often are people getting these alerts? These alerts are not occurring every night, week or even every month. There would be much bigger problems in society if that were the case.
3 so far this year (so avg of more than 1 a month)
 

explorerzip

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EXACTLY

A marital dispute is NOT what this system was designed for

An Amber Alert is SUPPOSED to be for an ABDUCTED child
If it is true that the father was court-ordered not to have contact with his child then he chose to commit a criminal criminal act aka an ABDUCTION. The fact that he's the biological father is irrelevant.
 

explorerzip

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3 so far this year (so avg of more than 1 a month)
Many people reporting that there not even getting these alerts at all. Let's reconvene at the end of the year to see if it's an actual scourge to society or a statistical anomaly.
 

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Elagabalus

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If it is true that the father was court-ordered not to have contact with his child then he chose to commit a criminal criminal act aka an ABDUCTION. The fact that he's the biological father is irrelevant.
I love the assertion that being a biological father seeing his own child is 'irrelevant.'

As the news comes out, it appears this was just a woman making a stink in an effort to get her ex in trouble. He regularly picks up his child at school, he has full rights to see his child, there is no court order indicating he is not allowed to see her and police did not press any charges after talking to him.

Again, Amber Alerts should not be used to address family disputes. We are weakening the system and making people numb to the alerts. When a girl really is abducted by a stranger, nobody is going to be listening, and it's at that point the we are really putting children at risk.
 

Elagabalus

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This one was done properly by York Region ... knew the child was not where she was to be, placed the alert promptly, and the child was recovered and the father arrested.
Arrested, released and issued an apology for wasting his time and needlessly sullying his reputation.

Now that Amber Alerts are being used as tools by vindictive spouses in custody disputes, I know that I for one, and likely the public at large, will stop taking these things seriously when they are issued. So sad, because the end result is a dead child that could have been saved if the system wasn't abused by law enforcement.
 

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Funny they sent out ANOTHER one from Markham today
I called to complain (got idea from news stories) and asked the 911 operator to add my number to their do not call list
:)
Boo fuckin who.

"OMG my time is so precious it's worth more than a child's life!"

Get over yourself. You're not special.
 
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