Speeding Tickets
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Get yourself one of those retired cop paralegals to look after it, you'll pay the fine but you'll keep your points.
My last speeding ticket was interesting, I got caught by radar on the drive home. The first time ever on that road. I used my negotiating skills to attempt to get out of it, he gave me a ticket anyway.
Naturally I was going to fight it. I went into the courthouse to set a date. He was there and gave me head nod, I returned it in acknowledgement. He was isolated, he was black. He didn't fit in with the gumba club of his fellow officers who were chummy with each other. I felt bad for him, LE should always have each others backs. I went in for trial a year later and he didn't show up. The ticket was dismissed.
I still got it.
My last speeding ticket was interesting, I got caught by radar on the drive home. The first time ever on that road. I used my negotiating skills to attempt to get out of it, he gave me a ticket anyway.
Naturally I was going to fight it. I went into the courthouse to set a date. He was there and gave me head nod, I returned it in acknowledgement. He was isolated, he was black. He didn't fit in with the gumba club of his fellow officers who were chummy with each other. I felt bad for him, LE should always have each others backs. I went in for trial a year later and he didn't show up. The ticket was dismissed.
I still got it.
Go for early resolution. If the ticket was not ready marked dkendown chances are good that the crown will drop it to 10 ov er. 45 dollars no points.
Traffic ticket discussion board
https://www.ontariohighwaytrafficact.com/exceeding-the-speed-limit-by-16-to-29-km-h/
Looks through the site, there is a list of steps to take.
https://www.ontariohighwaytrafficact.com/exceeding-the-speed-limit-by-16-to-29-km-h/
Looks through the site, there is a list of steps to take.
Focus on reduced penalty, it's unlikely you can dispute the evidence. For that you'll have to admit guilt, and you should start by admitting your dangerous failing to yourself, and doing the same here. If you didn't see the cop in time to slow down, you wouldn't see a kid chasing their dog, or the asshole in front of you braking for the kid or the cop.
KBear, I had checked out your link & is worth a look. We have quite a few photo cameras here in Kitchener & it seems the spray is the best to use to stop the camera from getting a clear photo of your plate.
My GPS gives a verbal warning if I'm approaching a red light camera!
the spray does not work. It has been tested by numerous car magazines, as well as on Mythbusters. And on top of that, if the regular patrol type cop happens to stop you and sees that the plate is "obscured" in any way, that's another ticket.
Thanks kugel2 for the heads up on the spray.
Good thing I have my chatty GPS as it keeps saying "RED LIGHT CAMERA AHEAD"
This ^^^
For the most part, speeding tickets are simply revenue generation for the province and provides a means to put cops on the sunshine list. Cops love it when you go to court as they can bank a lot of overtime. My cops friends are the first to admit it.
The crown almost always allows you to plead guilty to a lesser amount for simple speeding tickets. The idea being, they get their cash and don't have to waste the JP's time with a trial. Get'm in, get'm out...
They should change the slogan on the side of cruisers from "To Serve and Protect" to "To Observe and Collect." $$$$$
Dangerous failing? We don't know the conditions surrounding the OP's ticket for 25 km/h over the limit. If he was weaving in out of traffic on a busy, rainy afternoon, then yes I would consider that dangerous. But if it was a clear sunny day with no traffic, then it's a completely different situation. He still deserves to get a ticket but the speed alone doesn't tell the whole story.
It's for this reason cops (who want to write a lot of tickets) will pick what's know as "fishing holes" to set up shop. I asked my cop friend if he could set up radar on my residential street. He parked his cruiser for a few hours and only caught one guy going 15 over. Most drivers were in the 5-10 over range which they won't write you up for. In other words there's no point sitting there.
I will say travelling 40 in a 30 on my street if far more dangerous than 80 in a 60 on the Bayview extension for example (which used to be 70 btw). But once again, if the idea is to write the most amount of tickets, safety doesn't doesn't apply.
Why write 3-4 tickets a day when safety matters when you can write 25-30 when it doesn't!
I believe its called First Attendance?
You make an appointment to plea the ticket and a prosecutor will be assigned to you. They will negotiate what you want to do. Pay the ticket and no points, etc.
You will go in front of a judge about an hour later and plea guilty to a lesser charge. The judge will accept the plea and they will ask you if you need time to pay.
Case closed. No lawyers fees and usually no points and a lesser fine.
You make an appointment to plea the ticket and a prosecutor will be assigned to you. They will negotiate what you want to do. Pay the ticket and no points, etc.
You will go in front of a judge about an hour later and plea guilty to a lesser charge. The judge will accept the plea and they will ask you if you need time to pay.
Case closed. No lawyers fees and usually no points and a lesser fine.
Take the time off work, show up, and the Crown will make an offer for a lesser charge. Last time I dealt with the Crown’s assisstant. Appear before the JP, the Crown will present plea, you plead guilty and pay on the way out. If your time is more valuable than mine, or if the ticket is from out of town, go with the ex cop guy. He may get a slightly better deal as they all seem to be on a first name basis with most of the Crown’s.
I caught 114 in 80km limit on the road 35. My traffic ticket specialist reduced the speed to 91 in the court so I got a 200$ ticket + 400 fee (because it was in Lindsey and he went there) Pay your specialist! Worth it!
simple rule of thumb
residential area 14 & under.... never bothered...15-20 over, likely getting stopped & may reduce to avoid points, over 20: most likely getting the full ticket as you knew you were going to fast for the area
higher speed limit areas: they normally only stop those 20-25 & over, as the driver knows they are speeding or were not paying attention, which then could be charged with careless if you openly admit to not paying attention
residential area 14 & under.... never bothered...15-20 over, likely getting stopped & may reduce to avoid points, over 20: most likely getting the full ticket as you knew you were going to fast for the area
higher speed limit areas: they normally only stop those 20-25 & over, as the driver knows they are speeding or were not paying attention, which then could be charged with careless if you openly admit to not paying attention
It's a failing of the driver's powers observation and alertness not to see the cop, even if the road is clear and the day is bright and sunny. If he's travelling within the limit, there nonetheless may be dangers that develop too suddenly to avoid — kid chasing his dog out from behind a car — but those are true accidents. If he's travelling over the limit, that same danger he cannot avoid because his reaction time is just not that fast, is now his entire fault. To assume that risk he needs to be even more observant and alert to even more circumstances than a driver proceeding lawfully. The speeder needs to be checking not just the roadway, but the sidewalks, and front lawns as well, asking himself constantly, "Any possible dangers? Anything I can't reliably predict?"
So he shoulda seen the cop.
And if he did, but by then it was too late to slow down, then he should be asking himself, "What if the cop at that hidden fishin' hole had been a granny pushing a stroller?"
The real issue isn't about speed, about cops, or about what he pays; it's what he has learned about driving safely.
