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Emerson Poll for Wisconsin has Sanders leading.

Butler1000

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Again, you are not taking into account how the Americans have been bombarded with Trump's gaffes, so much so that the bar has been set so low. What Biden did say is "crumbs" when compared to Trump's outrageous statements. Biden has a very strong support among the Democrats. Those who are eliminated in the early stages will have their supporters no doubt throwing their support behind Biden. My feeling is that Kamala Harris and Sanders will be battling for that second spot to ultimately challenge Biden!!
What I expect to see is Sanders vs either Biden/Beto pull away.

And Either/All Harris/Beto/Biden stay in to the convention to prevent Sanders from winning the first ballot by having a three way. That way the Superdelegates come in.

As well I Expect several other fringe candidates to stay in long enough to try to win their state. Then give votes to The corporate candidate.

They will try to rig it again. But this time Bernie has a machine and a few Surprises as well. He is going to go for all the marbles on the first ballot.
 

bver_hunter

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No, just the ones from a credible unanimous CNN source or the ones they interview on tv. The silent majority AGREE with Trumps way of things.
Maybe just in your mind. Trump did not win the popular votes and he lost handily in the mid terms!!
 

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What I expect to see is Sanders vs either Biden/Beto pull away.

And Either/All Harris/Beto/Biden stay in to the convention to prevent Sanders from winning the first ballot by having a three way. That way the Superdelegates come in.

As well I Expect several other fringe candidates to stay in long enough to try to win their state. Then give votes to The corporate candidate.

They will try to rig it again. But this time Bernie has a machine and a few Surprises as well. He is going to go for all the marbles on the first ballot.
As long as Sanders is not a Democrat as he has not joined the party, just forget about him winning the nomination. Already there were Democratic Senators who have publicly stated that they cannot vote for someone who has not joined the party. It will be Biden v Sanders or Beto or Kamala Harris in the runoffs!!
 

Butler1000

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As long as Sanders is not a Democrat as he has not joined the party, just forget about him winning the nomination. Already there were Democratic Senators who have publicly stated that they cannot vote for someone who has not joined the party. It will be Biden v Sanders or Beto or Kamala Harris in the runoffs!!
Methinks the primary voters get a say.
 

Butler1000

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Sure they do, and the Independents are not part of it!!!
What you haven't been paying attention to is two things. Many former independents have now registered as Democrats to vote in Primaries. And there continues to be outreach to many more Sanders supporters to do this in closed primary states.

And then there are the open primary states.

And the polls aren't counting the Indrpendents.

Also I saw further Information on that CNN poll. Two previous polls by the same company in December and October last year have actually shown a trend where Biden had 33% in October, 30% in December and now 28% in March. Sanders had 14% in October, 18% I. December and now 20% in March. Which means it's Biden trending down and Sanders trending up.

And the sampling acknowledges than basically the entire polling pool was over age 50. With up to a high ,5+ % error ratio. So no young demographics, which Sanders owns, were represented.

And they compared this poll to other polls as opposed to trend lines of the same polling company.

Very shody. Very very shody.

You need to dig deeper than the MSM.
 

Butler1000

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Senator Sanders drew another sellout crowd of 4000 in San Diego. His crowds are continuing to build. It's good to see this size this early. No other Democratic candidate is drawing close to this.

He is hitting every early voting state to try to sweep the table early. California is a key state. Take it and Harris is Out.

The Movement continues.
 

bver_hunter

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What you haven't been paying attention to is two things. Many former independents have now registered as Democrats to vote in Primaries. And there continues to be outreach to many more Sanders supporters to do this in closed primary states.

And then there are the open primary states.

And the polls aren't counting the Indrpendents.

Also I saw further Information on that CNN poll. Two previous polls by the same company in December and October last year have actually shown a trend where Biden had 33% in October, 30% in December and now 28% in March. Sanders had 14% in October, 18% I. December and now 20% in March. Which means it's Biden trending down and Sanders trending up.

And the sampling acknowledges than basically the entire polling pool was over age 50. With up to a high ,5+ % error ratio. So no young demographics, which Sanders owns, were represented.

And they compared this poll to other polls as opposed to trend lines of the same polling company.

Very shody. Very very shody.

You need to dig deeper than the MSM.
Sheesh, there will only be a certain segment of Independents that have joined the Democratic Party. But no doubt they will be more split with Kamala Harris already having a growing popularity that is likely to eat away at Sanders' support.

Biden still has not officially thrown his name into the ring. That is why there are Clinton supporters who at the moment are on the sidelines or going with the more moderate candidates. That will change when Biden announces his candidacy in the elections. Anyway, this thread that you started does not reflect the average of the polls at all!!

But you need to dig deeper than just the Social Media like Twitter:

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/23/politics/twitter-2020-democratic-primary/index.html

Maybe the right wing media supports your assumptions!!
 

Butler1000

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Sheesh, there will only be a certain segment of Independents that have joined the Democratic Party. But no doubt they will be more split with Kamala Harris already having a growing popularity that is likely to eat away at Sanders' support.

Biden still has not officially thrown his name into the ring. That is why there are Clinton supporters who at the moment are on the sidelines or going with the more moderate candidates. That will change when Biden announces his candidacy in the elections. Anyway, this thread that you started does not reflect the average of the polls at all!!

But you need to dig deeper than just the Social Media like Twitter:

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/23/politics/twitter-2020-democratic-primary/index.html

Maybe the right wing media supports your assumptions!!
You spend too much time relying on CNN.

And Biden's support will only go up at the expense of Harris. No one who supports progressive views thinks Harris is a Progressive. She is thought of as a Clinton Clone.

Her record as Attorney General bear that out.

All of Warren's support will end up with Sanders. All of the minority support of Harris will go to Sanders.

Biden, his gaffs, racist statements, his voting and legislative history will kill him under the scrutiny of a presidential campaign.

Don't underestimate the power of social media. It elected Trump and AOC both. Overturning imbumbrnts and favorites alike.
 

bver_hunter

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You spend too much time relying on CNN.

And Biden's support will only go up at the expense of Harris. No one who supports progressive views thinks Harris is a Progressive. She is thought of as a Clinton Clone.

Her record as Attorney General bear that out.

All of Warren's support will end up with Sanders. All of the minority support of Harris will go to Sanders.

Biden, his gaffs, racist statements, his voting and legislative history will kill him under the scrutiny of a presidential campaign.

Don't underestimate the power of social media. It elected Trump and AOC both. Overturning imbumbrnts and favorites alike.
Where do you get your information if it is not Twitter or some right wing media??

Not really, regarding Kamala Harris. She will take a lot of the feminist supporters of Sanders. Warren's support will definitely go to Biden. But you have to take one critical factor with the Americans in general. They will not support anyone associated with "Socialism". That is what Trump and the Right wing media have been successfully pushing with the likes of Sanders and other Democratic candidates.

Biden's so called racist gaffes pales in comparisons to Trump's real racist statements / gaffes, so much so that a huge segment of the Americans have tuned out of it altogether.

Whoever wins the nomination I just wan them to knock out that insane creature, who occupies the Whitehouse. Biden is the more likely one to do so. It is all about making "The USA Sane Again"!!
 

Butler1000

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Where do you get your information if it is not Twitter or some right wing media??

Not really, regarding Kamala Harris. She will take a lot of the feminist supporters of Sanders. Warren's support will definitely go to Biden. But you have to take one critical factor with the Americans in general. They will not support anyone associated with "Socialism". That is what Trump and the Right wing media have been successfully pushing with the likes of Sanders and other Democratic candidates.

Biden's so called racist gaffes pales in comparisons to Trump's real racist statements / gaffes, so much so that a huge segment of the Americans have tuned out of it altogether.

Whoever wins the nomination I just wan them to knock out that insane creature, who occupies the Whitehouse. Biden is the more likely one to do so. It is all about making "The USA Sane Again"!!
I get my news from everywhere. I will watch CNN, MSNBC and Fox for all takes. I read Reuters and CBC, BBC News. I listen to numerous independent pundits including Jimmy Fore, Kyle Kulinski and several others on my YouTube Feed.

I Read the Star, National Post, G+M and NYT. M

My sources are varied in content and opinion. it is from all this I seek links and common facts to help draw my own opinions. No source is dismissed outright not is is it treated as gospel but all with scepticism.

Warren's vote is progressive. Go look at comments on her videos. I believe she won't make is past New Hampshire. And so her delegate count will be tiny. Her base will go to Sanders in the main.

Harris is not considered a feminist icon. Nor is she well liked in the minority community. Her record and public statements as AG are getting out there. I do expect a bunch of her support to go to Biden, but says says alot about her.

As to primary voters remember they only make up a tiny %. I think a total of ten million for both parties were involved in the last one. So when Bernie is at the grassroots with 1.1 million volunteers that means a big base to start. Add in outreach and really all it takes in one Volunteer to bring in one new person to join the party and vote in the next year. That's the swing. And it's happening already. Groups like Nina Turner with MoveOn.Org are working overtime already. They and others are down at the church and living room level. It's a big part of the Blue Wave at the federal and state level.

The Sanders campaign never ended. He never gave the DNC his email list. He used the machine to continue to build his base.

The press is ignoring him in front of crowds of thousands to report on Beto jumping on counters. But he is not relying on them. He is relying on hard work. On committed volunteers. He gets what needs to be done now.

Biden thinks corporate money and tv commercials will win. He is wrong.
 

bver_hunter

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I get my news from everywhere. I will watch CNN, MSNBC and Fox for all takes. I read Reuters and CBC, BBC News. I listen to numerous independent pundits including Jimmy Fore, Kyle Kulinski and several others on my YouTube Feed.

I Read the Star, National Post, G+M and NYT. M

My sources are varied in content and opinion. it is from all this I seek links and common facts to help draw my own opinions. No source is dismissed outright not is is it treated as gospel but all with scepticism.

Warren's vote is progressive. Go look at comments on her videos. I believe she won't make is past New Hampshire. And so her delegate count will be tiny. Her base will go to Sanders in the main.

Harris is not considered a feminist icon. Nor is she well liked in the minority community. Her record and public statements as AG are getting out there. I do expect a bunch of her support to go to Biden, but says says alot about her.

As to primary voters remember they only make up a tiny %. I think a total of ten million for both parties were involved in the last one. So when Bernie is at the grassroots with 1.1 million volunteers that means a big base to start. Add in outreach and really all it takes in one Volunteer to bring in one new person to join the party and vote in the next year. That's the swing. And it's happening already. Groups like Nina Turner with MoveOn.Org are working overtime already. They and others are down at the church and living room level. It's a big part of the Blue Wave at the federal and state level.

The Sanders campaign never ended. He never gave the DNC his email list. He used the machine to continue to build his base.

The press is ignoring him in front of crowds of thousands to report on Beto jumping on counters. But he is not relying on them. He is relying on hard work. On committed volunteers. He gets what needs to be done now.

Biden thinks corporate money and tv commercials will win. He is wrong.
Well if you look at my posts, they are taken from various sources. At least I post my sources, whereas you hardly do so. There is no way that MSNBC, CNN and all the other MSM are in line with your posts. Fox is the only one along with your Youtube sources that jive with your views. You better add The Toronto Sun, as it also seems to be your source when you were and are condemning Trudeau from day 1 of his election victory!!

Suddenly you are alleging that the media are not giving Sanders a fair coverage. I watched a lot of his coverage including his Town Hall meeting. CNN have offered all of the nominees a fair coverage when they announced their nominations. They also invited them to the Town Hall events that they hosted for each of the candidates. So goodness knows why they should not have given Beto that coverage when he threw his hand into the nominations!!

Anyway, whoever wins, hopefully they will spank Trump's derriere out of the Whitehouse door!! Do you not agree with this statement if you are a Sander's supporter??
 

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Well if you look at my posts, they are taken from various sources. At least I post my sources, whereas you hardly do so. There is no way that MSNBC, CNN and all the other MSM are in line with your posts. Fox is the only one along with your Youtube sources that jive with your views. You better add The Toronto Sun, as it also seems to be your source when you were and are condemning Trudeau from day 1 of his election victory!!

Suddenly you are alleging that the media are not giving Sanders a fair coverage. I watched a lot of his coverage including his Town Hall meeting. CNN have offered all of the nominees a fair coverage when they announced their nominations. They also invited them to the Town Hall events that they hosted for each of the candidates. So goodness knows why they should not have given Beto that coverage when he threw his hand into the nominations!!

Anyway, whoever wins, hopefully they will spank Trump's derriere out of the Whitehouse door!! Do you not agree with this statement if you are a Sander's supporter??
You really shouldn't feed the troll.
Its best to ignore the Sanders threads from butler.
 

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LMAO!! Here we go with our polls again.....

Trump will destroy any of those senior citizens.

I thought Warren was going to be a big winner? All of her native friends and other minorities were going to vote for her. Guess they really dont give a fuck?
Well I guess that's you and Warren herself who thinks she has a shot in hell of beating Bernie.
 

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You spend too much time relying on CNN.

And Biden's support will only go up at the expense of Harris. No one who supports progressive views thinks Harris is a Progressive. She is thought of as a Clinton Clone.

Her record as Attorney General bear that out.

All of Warren's support will end up with Sanders. All of the minority support of Harris will go to Sanders.

Biden, his gaffs, racist statements, his voting and legislative history will kill him under the scrutiny of a presidential campaign.

Don't underestimate the power of social media. It elected Trump and AOC both. Overturning imbumbrnts and favorites alike.
Excellent points.
 
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