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The case against Babcock starts this year.

Johnny Utah

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This is the first year where the Leafs are a serious contender, in spite of setting a season points record last year.

There have been rumblings in the media about a few things that are either related to Babcock’s unorthodox thinking or stubbornness that either goes against the eye test, logic or advanced stats.

- Babcock’s relationship with Matthews, a franchise player who isn’t allowed to play with his best friend Marner, gets some of the lowest ice time for a centre on a first/second line, has to drive linemates in a revolving door fashion
- Marleau is not able to keep up with the top two/three lines (finally got moved)
- Muzzin is better than a third line pairing defenceman
- Hainsey plays better with fewer minutes and as a third pairing and not a first
- Kapanen does not drive his line mates and doesn’t bring the puck in well and deserves less time
- Johnsson deserves to play more (this has currently been rectified)
- the power play is horrendous relative to the talent (may not be directly Babcocks fault, it’s more of an assistant coach thing) (the leafs are near last in the league in power play goals)
- stacking lines at all; especially when down a goal
- balanced ice time seems counterintuitive
- some opined that Mike was outcoached against Boston in the playoffs as his over line matching and balancing did not contain Boston’s number one line
- his love of Brown and Hyman (this has been rectified a bit and Hyman is good on his current line and as a second line winger)
- Nylander deserves more time, but with the concussion to Kadri, has to be a centre for now

I know it feels like complaining, but it’s frustrating watching them not being played to their potential.

I know the media and fans don’t have all the info, but it seems Mike is too stubborn or has some other plan that is not clear as a typical coach would correct many of these things. It’s to the point that comments have been made about trading Mikes favourites to stop him otherwise he keeps playing them.

Personally, I was happy with the Muzzin trade but I knew it wouldn’t last long and Hainsy would be back up. Hainsy is good on the penalty kill and as a third pairing, but he gets exposed with the minutes he gets played.

I also don’t consider the Leafs a serious contender this year. They still need more experience and even at this late juncture, they don’t have proper lines other than the first and fourth. For a team that has some of the fewest injuries in the league, the fact that there’s been so much line juggling and lack of time to develop chemistry is almost excusable.

Rant over...for now. My point is, if there isn’t success in the next few years, the media and fans will use this year and all the above examples as to why it didn’t work with this coach.
 

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Good analysis, I agree with most of it. I can’t understand Mike’s obsession with speed over grit. Marner, Kapanen and Nylander will disappear in the playoffs. If Gardner and Zaitsev can’t develop a physical presence, good night.
 

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He gets bumped off the puck way too often,and he has no shot. The league is not stupid, his game is one dimensional, he feeds his centre, unless he develops a way to stay strong on the puck or develops an accurate one timer, he will disappear come playoffs.
 

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He gets bumped off the puck way too often,and he has no shot. The league is not stupid, his game is one dimensional, he feeds his centre, unless he develops a way to stay strong on the puck or develops an accurate one timer, he will disappear come playoffs.
That may be a little harsh.

Marner started shooting more and is less predictable now. Still, you are right in that that is how the power play died so quickly. Too predictable on Mariners part, and everybody else.
 

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He's saying Marner sucks. Think about that for a moment.
He must have been too young to watch him in playoffs last year to come to this conclusion.
Gaudreau must also suck cause he's smaller than Marner.
 

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If the Leafs don't make it past the first round, he will for sure be fired. After that, it depends, but he's definitely under the gun now.
 

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He's saying Marner sucks. Think about that for a moment.
He must have been too young to watch him in playoffs last year to come to this conclusion.
Gaudreau must also suck cause he's smaller than Marner.
Gaudreau has an awesome shot, quick, unpredictable and accurate. I watched last year’s playoff, ad I recall the Leafs were out after the first round. Mariner is an awesome talent, but he needs more to get to the next level.
 

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There's an "out" in the Babcock deal after 5 years, I know it exists for Mike, not sure if the Leafs have the same rights.
The 8 year deal ($50Mm) was substantially frontloaded. Interesting times indeed.
 

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I don't think that he would.
I don’t think so. This year, a first round exit will likely be a freebie. The media and fans really aren’t saying the Leafs are favourites considering there is a Tampa killing it and the Leafs fs have yet to even win a round.

There's an "out" in the Babcock deal after 5 years, I know it exists for Mike, not sure if the Leafs have the same rights.
The 8 year deal ($50Mm) was substantially frontloaded. Interesting times indeed.
Ya, it will be cheaper in he next two to three years to consider this option if the playoffs don’t bounce the Leafs way or it becomes apparent that Mike gets out coached.
 

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Well that's kind of sad because this is not a first round team. If he can't get this team past the first round, something is wrong.
Ain't gonna happen. Babcock is still in the process of moulding this quite young group. Firing him would set the team back a couple of years with a new coach having to establish himself with the team and fully understand what he has to work with skills, work ethic, personalities, line combos, establishing new systems and philosophies. Those things take time and Babcock has already done those things and needs to build on them as opposed to somebody else starting from scratch. The organization has as much invested in Babcock as with their young core.
 

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It amazes me how little knowledge of hockey some of you folks have.

Mike Babcock is the most stable coach the Leafs have had since Pat Quinn. Why would the Leafs fire him when the blueprint is only partially completed? Babs has the advantage of not being undermined by an All Highest, the result of Quinn's firing was no playoffs for nine years. I seriously doubt The Shany Regime would put their heads on the chopping block by making the same mistake.
 
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He gets bumped off the puck way too often,and he has no shot. The league is not stupid, his game is one dimensional, he feeds his centre, unless he develops a way to stay strong on the puck or develops an accurate one timer, he will disappear come playoffs.
Marner's game is one dimensional? Are you on glue? He has 21 goals, 50 assists for 71 points and is a +19 in 62 games this year. Not to mention leading the Leafs in points and tied for 14 overall. He's a remarkable 200 ft. player. Very few see the ice like him. Eyes in the back of his head type stuff!

It amazes me how little knowledge of hockey some of you folks have.

Mike Babcock is the most stable coach the Leafs have had since Pat Quinn. Why would the Leafs fire him when the blueprint is only partially completed? Babs has the advantage of not being undermined by an All Highest, the result of Quinn's firing was no playoffs for nine years. I seriously doubt The Shany Regime would put their heads in the chopping block by making the same mistake.
This! ^^^
 

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Gaudreau has an awesome shot, quick, unpredictable and accurate. I watched last year’s playoff, ad I recall the Leafs were out after the first round. Mariner is an awesome talent, but he needs more to get to the next level.
So what are you saying? That he doesn't suck and Leafs shouldn't trade him for a bag of pucks? Ever since they legalized weed your brain has been fried.

Leafs lost in 7 leading in the 7th game vs Boston who were favoured and missing Kadri for 3 game suspension. They didn't lose because of Marner. He was the best Leaf. According to your evaluation Matthews also sucks cause he doesn't hit either. I doubt you watched. You were probably passed out. All you know is the outcome.
 

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Do you insult and belittle everyone who disagrees with you? Have you stopped taking your medicine? Are the staff at the shelter aware?
 

Insidious Von

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So what, Matthews is soft because he doesn't hit like Sundin? This was not the only one, can't find his hit on Marian Hossa, nor the center ice hit on Jagr. None of them got up right away.

 

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that would have been a head hit and a suspension in these times but good on Sundin.

You have a point. I'm not right all the time. Who knows, maybe Marner is full of crap.
 

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So what, Matthews is soft because he doesn't hit like Sundin? This was not the only one, can't find his hit on Marian Hossa, nor the center ice hit on Jagr. None of them got up right away.

Sundin was surprisingly strong under that long and lanky frame. A lot of off ice work went into that.
 
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