Coast Guard Officer Accused of Racist Mass-Murder Plot, Kept ‘Hit List’ of Democrats

WarGames · Feb 22, 2019

Frankfooter said:
Yes, with the rise in right wing extremist terrorism its time they were monitored more for this kind of thing.

bver_hunter said:
Yes the right wing violence has been on the rise in the USA. There is one obvious reason for the steep rise of hate crimes, but I do not have to spell it out:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...a6b4d25cfbb_story.html?utm_term=.f49a99aa61d2

Expect more spin like this from beaver & the others here to push away the lessons that should be learnt from Smollett's story.

Hate crimes are absolutely real. What's not real? The narrative that it is white racists responsible for it

Reported incidents not convictions. https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2017/topic-pages/offenders

How many hate crimes did I post here https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?666455-A-compilation-of-FAKE-HATE-crimes that were classified as 'incidents' turned out to be fake, blamed on trump supporters

I'm still looking for stats on confirmed hate crimes w/convictions not incidents which I cannot find anywhere. If anyone has a stat on confirmed convicted hate crime stats, pass it along.

Here is a site with hate crime reported 'incidents' that were confirmed hoax's. www.fakehatecrimes.org

derrick76 · Feb 22, 2019

WarGames said:
Expect more spin like this from beaver & the others here to push away the lessons that should be learnt from Smollett's story.

Hate crimes are absolutely real. What's not real? The narrative that it is white racists responsible for it

Reported incidents not convictions. https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2017/topic-pages/offenders

How many hate crimes did I post here https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?666455-A-compilation-of-FAKE-HATE-crimes that were classified as 'incidents' turned out to be fake, blamed on trump supporters

I'm still looking for stats on confirmed hate crimes w/convictions not incidents which I cannot find anywhere. If anyone has a stat on confirmed convicted hate crime stats, pass it along.

Here is a site with hate crime reported 'incidents' that were confirmed hoax's. www.fakehatecrimes.org

Do you have any stats on hate crimes that are labelled as 'not (even) crimes' by judges? One in Idaho comes very quickly to mind. The one where a 17 year old was raped with a hanger and racially abused before it. The 19 year old offender got no jail time and the judge said it wasn't sexual nor racially motivated.

WarGames · Feb 22, 2019

derrick76 said:
Do you have any stats on hate crimes that are labelled as 'not (even) crimes' by judges? One in Idaho comes very quickly to mind. The one where a 17 year old was raped with a hanger and racially abused before it. The 19 year old offender got no jail time and the judge said it wasn't sexual nor racially motivated.

I do remember that one Derrick. Made me sick. I believe if that judge ruled it wasn't racially motivated, would have been classified as a 'seemingly random attack'. I understand you know he wasn't sentenced to jail, but was he convicted of anything? Or was he found not-guilty?

Frankfooter · Feb 22, 2019

WarGames said:
Expect more spin like this from beaver & the others here to push away the lessons that should be learnt from Smollett's story.

Hate crimes are absolutely real. What's not real? The narrative that it is white racists responsible for it

Yes, hate crimes are real.
We should discuss the biggest hate crime attack in Canada over the last few years.
Bissonette.

The right wing is currently responsible for most hate crimes and now for most terrorist attacks in Canada.

Canada’s minister for public safety says right-wing, white supremacists and neo-Nazi groups are an increasing concern and threat to Canadians.

Ralph Goodale said the groups promote hate, which manifests itself in violent anti-Semitism or in other crimes.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4851998/canada-threat-right-wing-white-supremacists/

derrick76 · Feb 22, 2019

WarGames said:
I do remember that one Derrick. Made me sick. I believe if that judge ruled it wasn't racially motivated, would have been classified as a 'seemingly random attack'. I understand you know he wasn't sentenced to jail, but was he convicted of anything? Or was he found not-guilty?

As far as I know, the judge said the rape wasn't a crime sent the rapist home to have milk and cookies. Perhaps nothing will be on his record and he can live a nice worry free life.

shogun89 · Feb 22, 2019

Yes racist hate crimes are terrible, Just like the most recent one in America were a racist black Democrat terrorist shot dead six of his white coworkers in cold blood while mysteriously managing to not hit a single other black person.

And also the one on the Danforth where the Islamic terrorist targeted a whole bunch of white people for his terror attack.

Then if that’s not enough you have even black celebrities now so racist and full of hate towards white people that they try to frame them and make stuff up in hoax attacks

bver_hunter · Feb 22, 2019

WarGames said:
Expect more spin like this from beaver & the others here to push away the lessons that should be learnt from Smollett's story.

Hate crimes are absolutely real. What's not real? The narrative that it is white racists responsible for it

Reported incidents not convictions. https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2017/topic-pages/offenders

How many hate crimes did I post here https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?666455-A-compilation-of-FAKE-HATE-crimes that were classified as 'incidents' turned out to be fake, blamed on trump supporters

I'm still looking for stats on confirmed hate crimes w/convictions not incidents which I cannot find anywhere. If anyone has a stat on confirmed convicted hate crime stats, pass it along.

Here is a site with hate crime reported 'incidents' that were confirmed hoax's. www.fakehatecrimes.org

Now you bring Smollett into this mix!! Expected from you and the rest of the right wingers. Smollett will pay for his stupidity and he has done no service to the real hate crimes, such as the Indian person that was killed by an ignorant Trump supporter because he was thought to be a "Middle Eastern Muslim". We have had Heather Heyer killed by an Extreme Right winger and numerous other injured. The Alexander Bissonnette killings. What else do you need to show you how many hate crimes are on the rise. This is the Government Department of Justice website that you can visit, and then ask them to release the relevant information for your purpose:

https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/hate-crime-statistics

This incident would have been a catastrophic one like all the various school Las Vegas Mass Shootings. But he specifically was targeting certain groups like the Democrats, The Main Street Media and Ethnic Minorities. Does that offend you if we start a thread based on this intended individual, especially when he is considered to be a "right wing extremist"? Why do you not throw your two cents in when they start similar threads of intended killings by other individuals that are not on the right?? Did Trump not categorically state that the Media are the enemy of the People?? We have seen Trump supporters also attack the media like they did so recently when the BBC reporter was pushed over. But you as usual you claim that he is not a "Trump Supporter". Useless, debating anything with you!!

Darts · Feb 22, 2019

Thank goodness and LE we will never know if he would actually carry out an attack.

We live in an age where mass casualty attacks are not uncommon. Of course, it is easy to blame Trump, but these attacks (actual or planned) have occurred in many countries.

Do we blame Trudeau for Bissonnette, Faisal Hussain (Danforth Shooter), Aaron Driver, Flint neck slasher, Edmonton car attacker, crazy Canadian Tire woman, incel guy and the various men and women who left or tried to leave to join ISIS?

Do we blame Angela Merkel for the Christmas Marketplace attack and the various planned and actual plots?
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2019/02/21/world/europe/ap-eu-germany-raids.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...d9a894-35b0-11e9-8375-e3dcf6b68558_story.html

WarGames · Feb 22, 2019

bver_hunter said:
https://www.justice.gov/hatecrimes/hate-crime-statistics

Your post does not address the point in my post whatsoever which was your claim that right wing hate crimes are up. Your justice link is exactly what I already posted in the thread you responded to, DIRECTLY from where justice got their data from which is the FBI; Still tells me nothing but reports of incidents. No conviction just reported incidents, but thanks for nothing.

canada-man · Feb 22, 2019

Frankfooter said:
Sure, and you probably prefer getting your news from RT, like Canada Man.
Right?

Mondoweiss Launches Anti-Semitic Attack on New Editor-in-Chief of ‘The Atlantic’

https://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/21...attack-on-new-editor-in-chief-of-the-atlantic

Frankfooter · Feb 22, 2019

Darts said:
Thank goodness and LE we will never know if he would actually carry out an attack.

We live in an age where mass casualty attacks are not uncommon. Of course, it is easy to blame Trump, but these attacks (actual or planned) have occurred in many countries.

Do we blame Trudeau for Bissonnette, Faisal Hussain (Danforth Shooter), Aaron Driver, Flint neck slasher, Edmonton car attacker, crazy Canadian Tire woman, incel guy and the various men and women who left or tried to leave to join ISIS?

Do we blame Angela Merkel for the Christmas Marketplace attack and the various planned and actual plots?
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2019/02/21/world/europe/ap-eu-germany-raids.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...d9a894-35b0-11e9-8375-e3dcf6b68558_story.html

Of course not, none of those incite hate.
The charges are specific and based on reality.

basketcase · Feb 22, 2019

WarGames said:
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Hate crimes are absolutely real. What's not real? The narrative that it is white racists responsible for it...

And that is what is actually happening in the majority of cases.

Smollett wanted his name in the news to make more money but that doesn't lessen that even the US government admits right-wing/white nationalists are the ones most often to blame.

WarGames · Feb 22, 2019

basketcase said:
And that is what is actually happening in the majority of cases.

Smollett wanted his name in the news to make more money but that doesn't lessen that even the US government admits right-wing/white nationalists are the ones most often to blame.

I've address this already in this very thread.

WarGames said:
Expect more spin like this from beaver & the others here to push away the lessons that should be learnt from Smollett's story.

Hate crimes are absolutely real. What's not real? The narrative that it is white racists responsible for it

Reported incidents not convictions. https://ucr.fbi.gov/hate-crime/2017/topic-pages/offenders

How many hate crimes did I post here https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?666455-A-compilation-of-FAKE-HATE-crimes that were classified as 'incidents' turned out to be fake, blamed on trump supporters

I'm still looking for stats on confirmed hate crimes w/convictions not incidents which I cannot find anywhere. If anyone has a stat on confirmed convicted hate crime stats, pass it along.

Here is a site with hate crime reported 'incidents' that were confirmed hoax's. www.fakehatecrimes.org

Which was in response to this

bver_hunter said:
Yes the right wing violence has been on the rise in the USA. There is one obvious reason for the steep rise of hate crimes, but I do not have to spell it out:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...a6b4d25cfbb_story.html?utm_term=.f49a99aa61d2

basketcase · Feb 22, 2019

WarGames said:
I've address this already here.

By trying to pretend they aren't as common as the government and law enforcement believe?

The narrative is there because that is most often the truth.

WarGames · Feb 22, 2019

basketcase said:
By trying to pretend they aren't as common as the government and law enforcement believe?

The narrative is there because that is most often the truth.

I just gave you the latest incident report data from the FBI, which I am not disputing. Don't know where you got that from; my point was the FBI stat reports only incidents not convictions.

doggystyle99 · Feb 22, 2019

WarGames said:
Your post does not address the point in my post whatsoever which was your claim that right wing hate crimes are up. Your justice link is exactly what I already posted in the thread you responded to, DIRECTLY from where justice got their data from which is the FBI; Still tells me nothing but reports of incidents. No conviction just reported incidents, but thanks for nothing.

Crime rates are up, reports show that yet in your opinion that’s not good enough. You’re a clueless as it gets.

bver_hunter · Feb 23, 2019

WarGames said:
Your post does not address the point in my post whatsoever which was your claim that right wing hate crimes are up. Your justice link is exactly what I already posted in the thread you responded to, DIRECTLY from where justice got their data from which is the FBI; Still tells me nothing but reports of incidents. No conviction just reported incidents, but thanks for nothing.

Again, I asked you to contact the FBI if you want the thousands of convicted Hate crimes offenders to be named. Does this sentence mean nothing to you:

Law enforcement agencies that reported hate crime data to the Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program identified 6,370 known offenders in 7,175 bias-motivated incidents in 2017.

What does KNOWN OFFENDERS mean in this context?? It means that they have been charged and convicted. So, if you want to go through each and everyone of the a. 6370 charges, then go contact the FBI. As simple as that, okay??

bver_hunter · Feb 23, 2019

WarGames said:
I've address this already in this very thread.

Which was in response to this

Again see thread #37 and then proceed accordingly, if you cannot believe a FBI report of the Justice Department!!

WarGames · Feb 23, 2019

bver_hunter said:
What does KNOWN OFFENDERS mean in this context?? It means that they have been charged and convicted.? Again, I asked you to contact the FBI if you want the thousands of convicted Hate crimes offenders to be named.

"Known offenders" simply means they had prior records. That is it

FBI gets their data from UHR which is comprised of university and college and police report incidents. They voluntarily participate in the program. But yes they should at least provide citation to their data.

bver_hunter · Feb 23, 2019

WarGames said:
"Known offenders" simply means they had prior records. That is it

FBI gets their data from UHR which is comprised of university and college and police report incidents. They voluntarily participate in the program. But yes they should at least provide citation to their data.

Yes, that is what it means, but it also means that they committed these hate crimes, and hence they are registered as such by the FBI. Again, you have to go and ask them to reveal those 7000 plus hate crimes that they are charged with. Do you expect a news media outlet to post all those 7000+ crimes. Show me any crimes that number in the thousands where the details are listed!!

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