Don't you wish for Harper now

We hated Chretien so they gave us Harper. We hated Harper so they gave us Trudeau. We hate Trudeau so now they'll give us who ?

Our Political system no longer functions. It's become so corrupt that it doesn't reflect the will of the citizenship. They bring out their next meat puppet and we debate it in public with the bought and paid for MSM. Then they continue to wreck the Country and we end up hating the next puppet.

Why would anybody agree to go along with this system ?

Big Sleazy said:

We hated Chretien so they gave us Harper. We hated Harper so they gave us Trudeau. We hate Trudeau so now they'll give us who ?

Our Political system no longer functions. It's become so corrupt that it doesn't reflect the will of the citizenship. They bring out their next meat puppet and we debate it in public with the bought and paid for MSM. Then they continue to wreck the Country and we end up hating the next puppet.

Why would anybody agree to go along with this system ?

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Because its better then the Syrian system?

jcpro said:

Justin over Harper? Today??! This got to be some kind of mental disorder.

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Not just today,any day, any week, until the end of time. Harper was bad for the east.

james t kirk said:

You can thank 3 people for that. 2 of them are liberals.

1. Paul Martin who was the economic miracle worker that slayed the deficit (only to have it brought back to life by Harper). It was Martin who regulated the Canadian banks to prevent the kind of stupidity that sunk the American banks and it was Martin who refused to allow banking mergers in Canada.

2. Mark Carney, head of the bank of Canada during the great recession. Carney has a keen intellect and an incredible understanding of how the markets work. Carney was responsible for the guidance and fiscal policy of the bank that helped mitigate the economic tsunami from down south. And Carney is a liberal.

3. Jim Flaherty who juiced the economy during the great recession to prevent a complete melt down. He and Carney worked very well together.

But Harper? He had little if anything to do with it. He was bright enough to let Flaherty worry about it while he kept busy pulling the wings off of flys.

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1. You're being intellectually dishonest here Captain. Blaming Harper for deficits....really? They had to run deficits during the economic meltdown. By the time he left office there were budget surpluses. Trudeau has since made a mess. And if you did any studying of the U.S. sub prime mortgage crisis you would know it wasn't just deregulation that was the problem. There was also ineffective and over regulation and policies put in place by government agencies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac which fueled the foreclosures. Also didn't the TD and Canada Trust merger happen while Martin was finance minister?

2. Carney was a good Governor of BofC. And yes he's a conservative liberal. Or a liberal conservative. Or a centrist.

3. Flaherty and Harper were chums and had great respect for one another. Harper has an economics background. Don't think he wasn't involved in the guidance. That was part of his micro management nature.

Overall I thought Martin did a good job as Finance Minister. But let's be honest he got into budget surplus territory by cutting the rate increase in provincial transfer payments. That hurt Ontario particularly hard which is why Harris had to find cost savings in the system. Also the mid to late 1990's were boon times economically for most of the advanced economies of the west. That certainly helped.

nottyboi said:

Not just today,any day, any week, until the end of time. Harper was bad for the east.

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Delusional. JT has been a disaster for Canada. He's a buffoon.

K Douglas said:

Delusional. JT has been a disaster for Canada. He's a buffoon.

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How so, lowest unemployment in 2 generations...

jcpro said:

Justin over Harper? Today??! This got to be some kind of mental disorder....

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...that is preventing you from realizing how bad Harper was?

happ said:

If an election were held today he'd win a majority easy eh folks

Even he must be surprised how bad a job JT is doin. His JT is just not ready slogan shoulda been he'll never be ready.

His supporters got hoodwinked.

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But Scheer is the leader of the opposition not the closet coward. It took great skill to end up with a leader who has LESS experience than Trudeau, but the CPC managed to do it. Hilarious really.

As for Harper - this is a man who (WITH Flaherty) campaigned in 2008 on Canada escaping the downturn and "no deficit on my watch" (a direct Flaherty quote). I actually kind of liked Flaherty - but both he and Harper TOTALLY missed the signs of a slowdown and were tone deaf even after winning another minority.

Harper only adopted stimulus under threat of a non-confidence vote by the Coalition (what Harper mischaracterized as "a coup"). Worse - Harper turned stimulus into a CPC Party slush fund disguised as "The Economic Action Plan". He basically bought his way to his one and only majority using about $60 bln in tax dollars (of which almost $1 bln was used for those fucking endless "Action Plan" ads).

nottyboi said:

How so, lowest unemployment in 2 generations...

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Household debt has increased significantly since Liberals came into office.
Budget deficits have soared
2016: 1B
2017: 17.8B
2018: 19B
2019: 18.1B (proj)
GDP growth by year
2016: 1.4%
2017: 3.0%
2018: 2.0%
2019: 2.0% (est)

K Douglas said:

Household debt has increased significantly since Liberals came into office.
Budget deficits have soared
2016: 1B
2017: 17.8B
2018: 19B
2019: 18.1B (proj)
GDP growth by year
2016: 1.4%
2017: 3.0%
2018: 2.0%
2019: 2.0% (est)

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Household debt has soared worldwide and is a measure of consumer confidence. Harper increased govt spending as well. The deficits are manageable. GDP growth at 2% is fine for a mature economy with a big resource sector facing weak global prices.

nottyboi said:

Household debt has soared worldwide and is a measure of consumer confidence. Harper increased govt spending as well. The deficits are manageable. GDP growth at 2% is fine for a mature economy with a big resource sector facing weak global prices.

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Canada has some of the highest rates of consumer debt in the world. It's a ticking time bomb. We are already starting to see mini collapses in real estate prices in Vancouver and Toronto. The signs for Canada's economy are not positive. But hey you go on thinking it's honky dory.

Garrett said:

Real estate is driving a lot (some say "all"). We have had an epic stock market run and the Liberals have been dumping billions. It would be remarkable if the unemployment numbers did not get better (especially given how they manufacture the stat). The issue is we do not have business investment, and the jobs generally suck (with increases in the public sector and part time).

What will happen is the market will crash, inflation and interest rates will increase, and our debt load with a lousy tax base will kill us. Whoever has to pick up from Trudeau will have their work cut out for him. Trudeau has zero comprehension of what he is doing. He is narcissistic enough he took an important job that he had zero qualifications for. I hope he speaks a lot more "off the cuff" in the post-Butts era.

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What quaifications did Harper have when he became PM? geez. Most qualfied PM we have recently had was Paul Martin followed by Chretien. What qualifications does DOFO have to be premier?

K Douglas said:

Canada has some of the highest rates of consumer debt in the world. It's a ticking time bomb. We are already starting to see mini collapses in real estate prices in Vancouver and Toronto. The signs for Canada's economy are not positive. But hey you go on thinking it's honky dory.

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Canadas household debt is 100% of GDP, Australia is #1 at 127%. USA is at 77% (probably due to their cheaper real estate) which is offset by the MASSIVE US Federal deficit which would by like Canada running an 85B deficit.

shack said:

...that is preventing you from realizing how bad Harper was?

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I'll take Harper over the current embarrassment any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

jcpro said:

I'll take Harper over the current embarrassment any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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Sure, but you probably also voted for the Ford brothers, didn't you?

Frankfooter said:

Sure, but you probably also voted for the Ford brothers, didn't you?

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Yes, as a matter of fact. Rob over Smitherman and Doug over the Skeletor- on policy.

jcpro said:

Yes, as a matter of fact. Rob over Smitherman and Doug over the Skeletor- on policy.

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That sure sums up your credibility in choosing leaders well, doesn't it?

Frankfooter said:

That sure sums up your credibility in choosing leaders well, doesn't it?

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Credibility????! What imbecile would even consider to vote for Wynn? Or Smitherman for that matter? It would be nice to cast my vote for Gandhi or Jesus or Superman or some other magician, but, unfortunately, we're limited to choices that are available.

Garrett said:

lol the point is they are all more qualified than Trudeau. You could argue a chia pet is more qualified than Trudeau, as at least the chia has produced something!

Odd you are not taking issue with our degrading economy and false unemployment numbers.

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Both Harper and Scheer have similar qualifications - which is basically nothing outside of sucking at the teat. If you think that's more than Trudeau, fine - but neither has any real private sector experience. Both dropped out (Harper from UofT, Scheer from U of Ottawa) and finished at lesser institutions. Harper worked in the Imperial Oil Mailroom for many years as he struggled with his Masters at a the "Calgary School". Then he went straight into politics. Harper famously had only left Canada once prior to becoming party leader. Scheer worked less than a year at a friends Regina based insurance brokerage. I guess he was no good at selling insurance because he bolted for Ottawa and hasn't looked back from his backbench. 10 years in Govt and never offered a cabinet position - and that's in a party that had to import a guy from TD and install him as a Senator to run Public Works (Michael Fortier). Scheer never even had a Minister of State position in 10 years. And he was an ineffectual speaker - you could almost see the strings going back to Harper.

I wont be logical, just emotional...…….I would wish Harper back as I would wish for someone to pour battery acid down my throat