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Will Trump try to kill the Mueller investigation now that Barr is in place?

Butler1000

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Mueller stated in court that Manafort's lies pertained to 'the heart' of the Russian electoral meddling case.
Yes, he lied about what he knew. Which is in reality nothing.

If he knew something they would cut a deal. This kills all chance of his testimony.

I'm betting it involves his transfer of polling data. It's quite probable he took money for it. The question is did he do it before it after he was fired.
 

Butler1000

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Then why would he keep lying even when he's been caught out at it?
All he did was make a smaller, Cohen like sentence into a life sentence.
And for what?

You think he has no other information, but he lied to Mueller and was caught.
Why would he lie since it means he dies in jail?
Because 1 his a a lying snake and had no path out. And 2 if he is working for Russia they will kill his family.

So he is at the end of the rope. And will take the fall to save his family.
 

Butler1000

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We can agree to disagree about the collusion implication.

But do you buy Trump's latest tweet that the Mueller Investigation is "Illegal"?

Even posting a right wing source in this respect:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...gal-says-conflicted-investigation-rigged.html
Of course it isn't illegal. A waste of time yes. And it's conclusions will be this in all probability.

No evidence of collusion. Nefarious people around Trump. Attempts by Russia to gain "assets". Amateur hour security.

Trump will look stupid. But not criminal.
 

Frankfooter

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Because 1 his a a lying snake and had no path out. And 2 if he is working for Russia they will kill his family.

So he is at the end of the rope. And will take the fall to save his family.
Nah, that makes no sense at all.
1 - as a lying snake he'd know that once caught he'd do better to come clean than take the 20 year sentence that's coming
2 - you think Trump's campaign manager is in danger of being killed by Russians for his dealings with them? And you really think that has nothing to do with Trump?
 

Butler1000

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Nah, that makes no sense at all.
1 - as a lying snake he'd know that once caught he'd do better to come clean than take the 20 year sentence that's coming
2 - you think Trump's campaign manager is in danger of being killed by Russians for his dealings with them? And you really think that has nothing to do with Trump?
1. It makes sense if he has nothing to make a deal with. Take away your assumption he had something to trade, what's left for him to do?

2. He has been dealing with them for a decade. With lots of dirty dealings. Look what happened to that Belarus Model.

The Russians play for keeps. He knows that.
 

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Barr categorically stated that he will not obstruct the Mueller investigation.
But I do believe that he has wondered aloud about whether there are restrictions as to how much of it he may be allowed to release to the public.
 

Frankfooter

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1. It makes sense if he has nothing to make a deal with. Take away your assumption he had something to trade, what's left for him to do?

2. He has been dealing with them for a decade. With lots of dirty dealings. Look what happened to that Belarus Model.

The Russians play for keeps. He knows that.
1 - He had his sentence to deal with. Lying and not coming clean will cost him 10-20 years more in prison.
2 - But Trump only hired 'the best people', are you saying he hired crooks who dealt with Russian spies and crooks now instead? Do you think Trump knew nothing about this?
 

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But I do believe that he has wondered aloud about whether there are restrictions as to how much of it he may be allowed to release to the public.
That maybe the only issue, as Trump and Barr could prevent all the actual dirt from being spilled out to the Public. But I think that the House can subpoena the complete Report that maybe redacted.
We know how that had already occurred with the previous FISA investigation where The Republicans were privy to the Full Report. The Democrats were granted that privilege of a highly redacted version about a week later.
 

Butler1000

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1 - He had his sentence to deal with. Lying and not coming clean will cost him 10-20 years more in prison.
2 - But Trump only hired 'the best people', are you saying he hired crooks who dealt with Russian spies and crooks now instead? Do you think Trump knew nothing about this?
In the case if Manafort he was specifically hired due to his experience in 1980 brokering the nomination at the GOP convention. Not in charge mind but part of the team that saw it through. Trump hadn't met him before that and I'm betting took the recommendation of a GOP Insider.

And once it was done and the rhusdia connection came to light he was jettisoned. What was it 4 months?

Manafort was seen I'm thinking as a possible inside asset by the FSB. But as he was jettisoned it was moot.

You have to understand that that's how most spycraft works. They try to get assets(people) on the inside and slowly groom them. And with all the rookies in the Trump camp they were all targets. Hence the volume of contact.

Collusion? I doubt Putin would trust Trump enough to put a deal together.
 

Frankfooter

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In the case if Manafort he was specifically hired due to his experience in 1980 brokering the nomination at the GOP convention. Not in charge mind but part of the team that saw it through. Trump hadn't met him before that and I'm betting took the recommendation of a GOP Insider.

And once it was done and the rhusdia connection came to light he was jettisoned. What was it 4 months?

Manafort was seen I'm thinking as a possible inside asset by the FSB. But as he was jettisoned it was moot.

You have to understand that that's how most spycraft works. They try to get assets(people) on the inside and slowly groom them. And with all the rookies in the Trump camp they were all targets. Hence the volume of contact.

Collusion? I doubt Putin would trust Trump enough to put a deal together.
Carter Page was the original one Russia tried to groom, but he was deemed too idiotic to bother with.
Course that still was enough to peak the FBI's interest and start the investigations.
Manafort kept the FBI looking, and your conjecture about his influence is just that, conjecture at this point.
And of course Manafort was there at the Trump tower meeting, which Mueller is still investigating and where apparently important decisions may have been made.
About adoption, hahahhaha.

Trump's attacks on McCabe are very interesting, Trump looks very afraid of those revelations.

Trump's reaction to McCabe shows he may be the most useless of them all
The 45th president has tweeted more about the ex-acting director of the FBI than he has about his beloved border wall – talk about a national emergency
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/19/andrew-mccabe-60-minutes-trump-fbi

And now that Bernies running, I expect you to join the crowd supporting the Mueller investigations, if only to help get your guy elected.
 

Butler1000

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Carter Page was the original one Russia tried to groom, but he was deemed too idiotic to bother with.
Course that still was enough to peak the FBI's interest and start the investigations.
Manafort kept the FBI looking, and your conjecture about his influence is just that, conjecture at this point.
And of course Manafort was there at the Trump tower meeting, which Mueller is still investigating and where apparently important decisions may have been made.
About adoption, hahahhaha.

Trump's attacks on McCabe are very interesting, Trump looks very afraid of those revelations.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/19/andrew-mccabe-60-minutes-trump-fbi

And now that Bernies running, I expect you to join the crowd supporting the Mueller investigations, if only to help get your guy elected.
Mueller won't get Senator Sanders elected. His Policies, decency, track record, work ethic, campaigning, and what I believe is a real shift in USA populace thinking will.

This is a side show. And if Trump doesn't get charged it helps him. It was a mistake to do this I think. Letting Trump be Trump would have resulted in a 1 term presidency guaranteed. All Mueller has done is galvanize the base.
 

Frankfooter

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Mueller won't get Senator Sanders elected. His Policies, decency, track record, work ethic, campaigning, and what I believe is a real shift in USA populace thinking will.

This is a side show. And if Trump doesn't get charged it helps him. It was a mistake to do this I think. Letting Trump be Trump would have resulted in a 1 term presidency guaranteed. All Mueller has done is galvanize the base.
Trump can't win with his base alone, he needs more gerrymandering and electoral fuckery to even have a chance.
Galvanizing the base while really pissing off the rest of the country is a recipe for loss and the accompanying corruption charges headed his way.
 

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Butler1000

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Hilarious!!! No proof, not even a probable cause, nothing, yet he decided to start a counter intelligence investigation against the President. I guess we can finally see what they meant by "insurance policy".
Read the interview, he gave specific examples of why they investigated.
It was their duty.
 

jcpro

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Read the interview, he gave specific examples of why they investigated.
It was their duty.
Ah, no. McCabe was fired because he's on the record liar and manipulator- I'm not interested in his "reasons". His "duty" was to take EVIDENCE to his superiors.
 

Frankfooter

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Ah, no. McCabe was fired because he's on the record liar and manipulator- I'm not interested in his "reasons". His "duty" was to take EVIDENCE to his superiors.
Trump supporters can't make that criticism without being laughed at.
You have no right to criticize any politician for lying and manipulating while you defend Trump.

Because obviously you have no ability to detect bullshit from truth.
 

jcpro

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Trump supporters can't make that criticism without being laughed at.
You have no right to criticize any politician for lying and manipulating while you defend Trump.

Because obviously you have no ability to detect bullshit from truth.
You've been selling "truth" on this forum since Trump first appeared on the scene. What is that effort worth?
 

Frankfooter

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You've been selling "truth" on this forum since Trump first appeared on the scene. What is that effort worth?
It'll be just as much fun as the day that the Ford backers realized they were suckered by a crackhead.
That was fun.

This will be even more fun.
 
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