Vegetables are UNHEALTHY!? Antinutrients Explained

canada-man · Feb 17, 2019

a lecture before bed time.

Mother Nature puts anti-nutritional factors and toxins in grains, nuts, seeds and beans for a variety of reasons. Phytates, for example, block seeds from sprouting prematurely. Protease inhibitors, saponins, lectins and phytoestrogens harm insects, animals and other predators that would otherwise eat too many of them. If evolutionary theories are correct, wounded plants produce extra inhibitors and other anti-nutrients to save the plant species. The idea is to cause predators—including plant-eating humans—to experience slowed growth and diminished reproductive ability.1-4 Although it might sound like a “rotten idea,” squirrels are smart to bury nuts in the ground, then dig them up and eat them weeks and months later. Similarly, people in traditional cultures all over the world process their grains, nuts, seeds and beans by a process akin to pre-digestion before cooking and eating them.

https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/vegetarianism-and-plant-foods/plants-bite-back/

NotADcotor · Feb 18, 2019

Let us ignore every single major and pretty much all minor medical dietary and health organizations and the overwhelming evidence that is universally accepted because some random guy posted a video on youtube about something which in the real world is known not to be a problem.

Saying vegetables is much like saying the earth is flat, hell I'd say you can find more people who say the earth is flat. Flat earthers also have their videos which also ignore the evidence against their position.

Are there anti nutrients. Yes. Are they an issue in the real world, no. End of story, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars

Anyone who can be convinced otherwise, should be ignored on all issues because they have shown that they are unable to science.

Bloody crazy people on the internet. Sigh.

t.o.leafs.fan · Feb 18, 2019

NotADcotor said:
Let us ignore every single major and pretty much all minor medical dietary and health organizations and the overwhelming evidence that is universally accepted because some random guy posted a video on youtube about something which in the real world is known not to be a problem.

Saying vegetables is much like saying the earth is flat, hell I'd say you can find more people who say the earth is flat. Flat earthers also have their videos which also ignore the evidence against their position.

Are there anti nutrients. Yes. Are they an issue in the real world, no. End of story, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars

Anyone who can be convinced otherwise, should be ignored on all issues because they have shown that they are unable to science.

Bloody crazy people on the internet. Sigh.

But I thought everybody was an expert on everything?

canada-man · Feb 18, 2019

NotADcotor said:
Let us ignore every single major and pretty much all minor medical dietary and health organizations and the overwhelming evidence that is universally accepted because some random guy posted a video on youtube about something which in the real world is known not to be a problem.

Saying vegetables is much like saying the earth is flat, hell I'd say you can find more people who say the earth is flat. Flat earthers also have their videos which also ignore the evidence against their position.

Are there anti nutrients. Yes. Are they an issue in the real world, no. End of story, do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars

Anyone who can be convinced otherwise, should be ignored on all issues because they have shown that they are unable to science.

Bloody crazy people on the internet. Sigh.

there is scientific evidence showing plants produce anti-nutrients

ask your family doctor or any botanist

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/how-to-reduce-antinutrients

What are Antinutrients?
Antinutrients are plant compounds that reduce the body's ability to absorb essential nutrients.

They are not a major concern for most people, but may become a problem during periods of malnutrition, or among people who base their diets almost solely on grains and legumes.

However, antinutrients aren't always "bad." Under some circumstances, antinutrients like phytate and tannins may have some beneficial health effects as well (1, 2, 3).

The most widely studied antinutrients include:

Phytate (phytic acid): Mainly found in seeds, grains and legumes, phytate reduces the absorption of minerals from a meal. These include iron, zinc, magnesium and calcium (4).

Tannins: A class of antioxidant polyphenols that may impair the digestion of various nutrients (5).

Lectins: Found in all food plants, especially in seeds, legumes and grains. Some lectins may be harmful in high amounts, and interfere with the absorption of nutrients (6, 7).

Protease inhibitors: Widely distributed among plants, especially in seeds, grains and legumes. They interfere with protein digestion by inhibiting digestive enzymes.

Calcium oxalate: The primary form of calcium in many vegetables, such as spinach. The calcium bound to oxalate is poorly absorbed (8, 9).

malata · Feb 18, 2019

i would root for Popeye eating his spinach, but i would beet myself if i leaf Olive Oyl with just barackoli

oldjones · Feb 18, 2019

None of this is new canada-man, except perhaps the biochemistry. All you and the source are saying is "process [you]r grains, nuts, seeds and beans by a process akin to pre-digestion before cooking and eating them". Which humans learned to do well before we invented writing to tell each other about it. Of course, cooking is itself, "…akin to pre-digestion", and the continued improvement of such healthful techniques, including hygiene and disease prevention, (not to mention vaccines) are the processes which enabled our species to dominate the planet.

Essentially by learning how to eat and exploit just about everything else that lives on it. Even 'toxic' veggies. Or fugu sushi.

NotADcotor · Feb 18, 2019

canada-man said:
there is scientific evidence showing plants produce anti-nutrients

ask your family doctor or any botanist

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/how-to-reduce-antinutrients

What are Antinutrients?
Antinutrients are plant compounds that reduce the body's ability to absorb essential nutrients.

They are not a major concern for most people, but may become a problem during periods of malnutrition, or among people who base their diets almost solely on grains and legumes.

However, antinutrients aren't always "bad." Under some circumstances, antinutrients like phytate and tannins may have some beneficial health effects as well (1, 2, 3).

The most widely studied antinutrients include:

Phytate (phytic acid): Mainly found in seeds, grains and legumes, phytate reduces the absorption of minerals from a meal. These include iron, zinc, magnesium and calcium (4).

Tannins: A class of antioxidant polyphenols that may impair the digestion of various nutrients (5).

Lectins: Found in all food plants, especially in seeds, legumes and grains. Some lectins may be harmful in high amounts, and interfere with the absorption of nutrients (6, 7).

Protease inhibitors: Widely distributed among plants, especially in seeds, grains and legumes. They interfere with protein digestion by inhibiting digestive enzymes.

Calcium oxalate: The primary form of calcium in many vegetables, such as spinach. The calcium bound to oxalate is poorly absorbed (8, 9).

I clearly said there are anti nutrients. Never said there were not, reread my post
Also everything you said is counter to your claim that vegetables are unhealthy because of antinutrients. Maybe your video says different, couldn't be bothered to watch it but you wrote the title of this thread.
I refer you to the bolded bits which actually show that I am right and your original post is wrong and I am guessing the video is fear mongering bullshit.

Not a problem, except for people who pretty much don't exist in the first world and even then.
Potential positive benefits
Widely studied [and widely considered good for you after those studies]

Pretty much exactly what I said.

jsanchez · Feb 18, 2019

NotADcotor said:
I clearly said there are anti nutrients. Never said there were not, reread my post
Also everything you said is counter to your claim that vegetables are unhealthy because of antinutrients. Maybe your video says different, couldn't be bothered to watch it but you wrote the title of this thread.
I refer you to the bolded bits which actually show that I am right and your original post is wrong and I am guessing the video is fear mongering bullshit.

Not a problem, except for people who pretty much don't exist in the first world and even then.
Potential positive benefits
Widely studied [and widely considered good for you after those studies]

Pretty much exactly what I said.

You like to debate youtube "scientists"?

Grimnul · Feb 18, 2019

So, when does this end? HOW does this end? All this nonsense with people who don’t know what they’re talking about spreading bad information on the internet, where it is disseminated by equally ignorant people. What is the solution to this? I honestly think this might be one of the very most dangerous problem we face as a society today. We’ve already had the reemergence of diseases that were essentially eradicated because of this problem. We’ve seen all sorts of fuckery in the political realm. How bad is this going to get?

This is a new thing. We’ve always had whackos with wild theories, but they didn’t used to have a platform to spread their bad ideas. Now, anyone can say anything and reach millions of people all around the world. It’s incredibly insidious. What do we do about this?

malata · Feb 18, 2019

Grimnul said:
This is a new thing. We’ve always had whackos with wild theories, but they didn’t used to have a platform to spread their bad ideas. Now, anyone can say anything and reach millions of people all around the world. It’s incredibly insidious. What do we do about this?

put more vegetables in CM's beef patty

canada-man · Feb 18, 2019

The Inuits in the Canadian Arctic rarely eat plant foods and vegetables

Want to know about a group of people who eat primarily only meat and fat, very little fruits and vegetables and are healthier than any other group of people? Well meet the Inuit from the frozen North. They seemed to eat all the things that are blamed for heart disease and cancers (meat and fat) yet somehow had little to no diseases of modern man. Let’s learn a little more about them. Below you will find several resources and reading materials on them (to keep you busy while I do my taxes for the next couple days!). But here are the highlights:

http://www.theiflife.com/the-inuit-paradox-high-fat-lower-heart-disease-and-cancer/

Grimnul · Feb 18, 2019

canada-man said:
The Inuits in the Canadian Arctic rarely eat plant foods and vegetables

Want to know about a group of people who eat primarily only meat and fat, very little fruits and vegetables and are healthier than any other group of people? Well meet the Inuit from the frozen North. They seemed to eat all the things that are blamed for heart disease and cancers (meat and fat) yet somehow had little to no diseases of modern man. Let’s learn a little more about them. Below you will find several resources and reading materials on them (to keep you busy while I do my taxes for the next couple days!). But here are the highlights:

http://www.theiflife.com/the-inuit-paradox-high-fat-lower-heart-disease-and-cancer/

Did you read your own article? It doesn’t blame fruits and vegetables, it says we get too many bad fats from processed foods. It says that the Inuit get more good fats from wild game that aren’t present in our diets. In fact, the article specifically says we should eat our fruits and vegetables because we can’t get all the nutrients we need from eating the kinds of meats we typically have access to. It actually completely contradicts your “vegetables are bad” theory.

Once again, we see cognitive bias and the inability to understand that correlation is not the same as causation at work. It’s the lean proteins and abundance of good fats that are absent from our diets that keep them healthy, not a lack of vegetables in their diet. You’re trying to use a completely unrelated phenomenon to support your own theory.

IRIS · Feb 18, 2019

We have to eat everything to keep our body in balance. That's why we have same teeth as the pigs has. We are omnivorous living creatures. Not vegetarians, herbivorous and not carnivorous either. We can eat anything and we have to.

Frankfooter · Feb 18, 2019

Grimnul said:
So, when does this end? HOW does this end? All this nonsense with people who don’t know what they’re talking about spreading bad information on the internet, where it is disseminated by equally ignorant people. What is the solution to this? I honestly think this might be one of the very most dangerous problem we face as a society today. We’ve already had the reemergence of diseases that were essentially eradicated because of this problem. We’ve seen all sorts of fuckery in the political realm. How bad is this going to get?

This is a new thing. We’ve always had whackos with wild theories, but they didn’t used to have a platform to spread their bad ideas. Now, anyone can say anything and reach millions of people all around the world. It’s incredibly insidious. What do we do about this?

True, this thread is even more stupid then the anti-vaxxer threads.
But at least CM will just kill himself after he stops eating veggies.
And it shouldn't take too long.

The anti-vaxxers are much worse, they end up fine since they were generally vaccinated as kids and its only their kids that then become vectors for measles.
What next, a return of polio?

Fucking idiots endangering their own kids as well as those around them.

Father at centre of measles outbreak didn't vaccinate children due to autism fears

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/father-vancouver-measles-outbreak-1.5022891

Canada Man, please test this theory of yours by staying off veggies entirely.

The "Bone" Ranger · Feb 18, 2019

IRIS said:
We have to eat everything to keep our body in balance. That's why we have same teeth as the pigs has. We are omnivorous living creatures. Not vegetarians, herbivorous and not carnivorous either. We can eat anything and we have to.

But you can probably guess what I like to eat the most!

canada-man · Feb 18, 2019

Frankfooter said:
True, this thread is even more stupid then the anti-vaxxer threads.
But at least CM will just kill himself after he stops eating veggies.
And it shouldn't take too long.

The anti-vaxxers are much worse, they end up fine since they were generally vaccinated as kids and its only their kids that then become vectors for measles.
What next, a return of polio?

Fucking idiots endangering their own kids as well as those around them.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/father-vancouver-measles-outbreak-1.5022891

Canada Man, please test this theory of yours by staying off veggies entirely.

the inuits rarely eat vegetables ask them

Frankfooter · Feb 18, 2019

canada-man said:
the inuits rarely eat vegetables ask them

By god man! You're right!
You really should test out this theory of yours!
You're onto something!

malata · Feb 19, 2019

canada-man said:
the inuits rarely eat vegetables ask them

don't listen to them CM. Eating lots of pussy is good for your chest hair

Insidious Von · Feb 19, 2019

canada-man said:
the inuits rarely eat vegetables ask them

canada man, have you ever eaten seal blubber? Give us a review, we await with bated breath!

woodee · Feb 19, 2019

I don't care about your evidence, I will continue to eat vegetables because I like them.

PS - I also like chocolate

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