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Israel Haters Silent As Palestinians Gassed in Tunnel. Can You Guess Why?

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Neo nazis like automatically call anyone who disagrees with your voraciously anti-Muslim sentiment, as "Jihadist". ...!
Of course. Z calls me a jihadist when I call out his anti-Muslim racism too.

But in fraky's situation, he has spent many posts making excuses for a group Canada considers a terrorist entity so perhaps the truth is somewhere between the two extremes.
 

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What world do you live in? The thread is Egypt using gas to poison Gaza tunnels and your response is "if true" then as usual try and make it into a thread against Israel.
What world do you live in?

Any time there is a CanadaMan thread everyone needs to use an 'if true' qualifier replying to his posts.
He's almost as bad as bigsleazy.

But on the topic of shootings, you have spent many posts criticizing for Israel getting into a gun battle while installing cameras while refusing to even discuss Hamas gunning down civilians at bus stops.
Sorry, dude, but you were the one that brought up the heavily armed 'camera installers' and you are the one that refuses to accept that they were the ones that were responsible for instigating and killing people.

Meanwhile, you ignore the daily Israel news.
Israeli settlers attack school, injure students in Nablus
http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=782503
 

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What world do you live in?...
The one where the thread is about Egypt's actions (and your racist double standard).


p.s. Interesting that you keep making excuses for Hamas' choice to launch hundreds of war crimes as a response to a military action.
 

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Of course. Z calls me a jihadist when I call out his anti-Muslim racism too.

But in fraky's situation, he has spent many posts making excuses for a group Canada considers a terrorist entity so perhaps the truth is somewhere between the two extremes.
I am not looking at the extremists of both sides, but mainly to the Palestinian people as a whole. It is time for them to get a nation of their own, by working with the moderates on their side and the Israelis who generally believe that this situation has to be resolved. The problem is that if you leave it in limbo for much longer, then obviously more and more Palestinians will move towards the notion that they have to stage a civil war to get their rights back again. The developments in Palestinian occupied territories are only exacerbating this whole divide, and it is time for the Israelis to once again elect a more moderate leader that wants to move the country back in a more inclusive direction.
 

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I am not looking at the extremists of both sides, but mainly to the Palestinian people as a whole. It is time for them to get a nation of their own, by working with the moderates on their side and the Israelis who generally believe that this situation has to be resolved. The problem is that if you leave it in limbo for much longer, then obviously more and more Palestinians will move towards the notion that they have to stage a civil war to get their rights back again. The developments in Palestinian occupied territories are only exacerbating this whole divide, and it is time for the Israelis to once again elect a more moderate leader that wants to move the country back in a more inclusive direction.
I thought the same for years as well.
Unfortunately, I don't think its possible anymore.

There are too many settlements, all of which are illegal, and not enough contiguous land to create a Palestinian state anymore.
Which means the only reasonable plan is to argue for the one state solution, only based on equal rights instead of the present apartheid system.
 

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I am not looking at the extremists of both sides, but mainly to the Palestinian people as a whole. It is time for them to get a nation of their own, by working with the moderates on their side and the Israelis who generally believe that this situation has to be resolved. ...
I agree with that part (though I include the Israeli people as well as the Palestinians).

Having spent a long time reading history and watching modern politics, it seems Israel has many willing to compromise for peace while Hamas is explicitly against it and the PA is split on the idea. To me that means those who continuously criticize of Israel while refusing to criticize anyone opposed to Israel is pure racism and is as bad as Z's campaign against Muslims.

p.s. What moderate options do the Palestinians have to "vote" for?
 

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I thought the same for years as well.
Unfortunately, I don't think its possible anymore.

There are too many settlements, all of which are illegal, and not enough contiguous land to create a Palestinian state anymore.
Which means the only reasonable plan is to argue for the one state solution, only based on equal rights instead of the present apartheid system.
As I said, no mention of the massive roadblocks from the Palestinian side including one government officially opposed to permanent peace with Jews and the other split on the concept.
 

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What double standard?
I called for Egypt to be investigated just as I call for Israel and Hamas to be investigated over possible war crimes.
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ou-Guess-Why&p=6338300&viewfull=1#post6338300
Yes, clear double standard.

You say Egypt should be investigated just like you say Hamas should be investigated (even though they have alread claimed credit for countless war crimes and terrorism) while at the same time immediately going after Israel without any "investigations". If even the most fringe site accused Israel of gassing Hamas tunnels you would be going ape-shit and demanding all Jews in Israel be arrested but Egypt doing it doesn't bother you in the slightest.

Not only is it obvious that you don't care about Palestinians or the people of Gaza but your racist double standard is exactly what Trudeau said defines your racism.
 

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Yes, clear double standard.

You say Egypt should be investigated just like you say Hamas should be investigated (even though they have alread claimed credit for countless war crimes and terrorism) while at the same time immediately going after Israel without any "investigations".
Nope, I continue to call for investigations into Israeli and Palestinian war crimes both.
I fully support the continuation of ICC crimes based of submissions and human rights organizations reports.

The only double standard here is your total refusal to support both sides being treated the same.
Just as you refuse to accept that Palestinians deserve equal rights.
Thats racism.
 

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Nope, I continue to call for investigations into Israeli and Palestinian war crimes both.
So why (other than the obvious answer) do you continue to automatically accept any claims against Israel as true while ignoring that Hamas proudly takes credit for terrorism and war crimes?

And why in a thread about Egypt actions on Gaza do you feel compelled to change the topic to Israel?
 

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So why (other than the obvious answer) do you continue to automatically accept any claims against Israel as true while ignoring that Hamas proudly takes credit for terrorism and war crimes?
Its based on the sources, obviously.
Legit sources get respect, state media doesn't.

I continue to call for investigations into Israeli and Palestinian war crimes both.
I fully support the continuation of ICC crimes based of submissions and human rights organizations reports.

The question is why won't you back a call for both sides to be investigated?
 

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Its based on the sources, obviously....
Yes, the source Hamas proudly takes credit for acts rights groups describe as war crimes and terrorism and you don't criticize them.

Hamas stands directly opposed to everything you claim to stand for but since they hate Israel as much as you do you are happy to make excuses.
 

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Yes, the source Hamas proudly takes credit for acts rights groups describe as war crimes and terrorism and you don't criticize them.
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So you are saying you believe everything Hamas posts?

Personally, I still believe in the rule of law and doing investigations and then charges.
But I know you prefer to assassinate first, then ask questions and plant knives second.
 

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So you are saying you believe everything Hamas posts?...
Are you seriously trying to make excuses for Hamas by saying you can't trust when they claim credit for terrorism and war crimes?

Hamas has admitted guilt (actually celebrated their success) for the rockets and the bus stop attacks and you are still trying to pretend they aren't terrorists (despite what Canada says). Meanwhile you happily accept any accusation against Israel at face value.
 

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Are you seriously trying to make excuses for Hamas by saying you can't trust when they claim credit for terrorism and war crimes?
I trust Hamas statements as much as I trust IDF press releases that you post here.

Take their admission and send it to the ICC, please.
There it can join the other investigations ongoing, if it wasn't covered.

Do you not support the rule of law?
 

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I trust Hamas statements...
So why do you constantly quote numbers directly from the Hamas Ministry of Health?

It is disgusting that instead of actually criticizing Hamas for their war crimes and terrorism you have stretched your idiotic excuse making to even deny what Hamas proudly takes credit for.
 

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So why do you constantly quote numbers directly from the Hamas Ministry of Health?
Given that Israel doesn't let WHO or other human rights organizations in to monitor the situation, where else can you get stats on how many people Israel shot with snipers today?
So I'll use Amnesty, HRW, UN, B'teselem and PCHR for stats.

On Friday evening, 15 February 2019, in excessive use of force against peaceful protesters on the 47th Friday of the March of Return and Breaking the Siege, Israeli forces wounded 67 civilians, including 14 children, 2 women, 2 paramedics, and a journalist eastern Gaza Strip. The injury of 5 of the wounded civilians was reported serious.

According to observations by PCHR’s fieldworkers, the Israeli forces who stationed in prone positions and in military jeeps along the fence with Israel continued to use excessive force against the demonstrators by opening fire and firing teargas canisters at them. As a result, dozens of the demonstrators were hit with bullets and teargas canisters without posing any imminent threat or danger to the life of soldiers.

On Friday, 15 February 2019, the incidents were as follows:

At approximately 15:00, thousands of civilians, including women, children and entire families, started swarming to the encampments established by the Supreme National Authority of Great March of Return and Breaking the Siege adjacent to the border fence with Israel in eastern Gaza Strip cities. Hundreds, including children and women, approached the border fence with Israel in front of each encampment and gathered 10-100 meters away from the main border fence. They chanted national slogans, attempted to throw stones at the Israeli forces and in limited cases, they approached the border fence, attempting to set fire to tires and throwing stones at the Israeli forces. Although the demonstrators gathered in areas open to the Israeli snipers stationed on the top of the sand berms and military watchtowers and inside and behind the military jeeps, the Israeli forces fired live and rubber bullets in addition to a barrage of teargas canisters. The Israeli shooting, which continued at around 17:30, resulted in the injury of 67 Palestinian civilians, including 14 children, 2 women, 2 paramedics, and a journalist. In addition, dozens of demonstrators, paramedics and journalists suffered tear gas inhalation and seizures due to tear gas canisters that were fired by the Israeli forces from the military jeeps and riffles in the eastern Gaza Strip.





The following table shows the number of civilian victims due to the Israeli forces’ suppression of the Great March of Return since its beginning on 30 March:

Wounded Killed
2044 39 Children
319 2 Women
175 2 Journalists
173 3 Medical Crews
– 8 Disabilities
10819 189 Total

Among those wounded, 526 are in serious condition and 101 had their lower or upper limbs amputated; 89 lower-limb amputations, 2 upper-limb amputations, 10 finger amputations and 17 children had their limbs amputated according to the Ministry of Health. The number of those wounded only include those wounded with live bullets and directly hit with tear gas canisters as there have been thousand others who suffered tear gas inhalation and sustained bruises. Notes
https://pchrgaza.org/en/?p=11988

That sure is a lot of death and violence by 'the only democracy in the middle east'.
Israel really makes Hamas look like amateurs daily.
 

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Given that Israel doesn't let...
But I thought you don't believe data from Hamas?

Oh wait, that's just when you are trying to pretend that Hamas isn't responsible for the war crimes and terrorism they proudly take credit for. You should go back to justifying Hamas terror because your attempts to claim they aren't responsible not only shows your racism but also makes you look stupid.


p.s. I notice you still don't wan't to condemn Egypt for gassing Palestinian tunnels.

p.p.s Every time you quote amnesty while refusing to accept when Amnesty accuses Hamas of war crimes and terrorism you further expose your racist double standard.
 

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But I thought you don't believe data from Hamas?
Are you calling the Palestinian Center for Human Rights 'Hamas' now?

I think you'd have to search very hard to find acts from Hamas that would equal even a typical week of Israeli violence on Palestinians.

On Friday evening, 15 February 2019, in excessive use of force against peaceful protesters on the 47th Friday of the March of Return and Breaking the Siege, Israeli forces wounded 67 civilians, including 14 children, 2 women, 2 paramedics, and a journalist eastern Gaza Strip. The injury of 5 of the wounded civilians was reported serious.

According to observations by PCHR’s fieldworkers, the Israeli forces who stationed in prone positions and in military jeeps along the fence with Israel continued to use excessive force against the demonstrators by opening fire and firing teargas canisters at them. As a result, dozens of the demonstrators were hit with bullets and teargas canisters without posing any imminent threat or danger to the life of soldiers.

On Friday, 15 February 2019, the incidents were as follows:

At approximately 15:00, thousands of civilians, including women, children and entire families, started swarming to the encampments established by the Supreme National Authority of Great March of Return and Breaking the Siege adjacent to the border fence with Israel in eastern Gaza Strip cities. Hundreds, including children and women, approached the border fence with Israel in front of each encampment and gathered 10-100 meters away from the main border fence. They chanted national slogans, attempted to throw stones at the Israeli forces and in limited cases, they approached the border fence, attempting to set fire to tires and throwing stones at the Israeli forces. Although the demonstrators gathered in areas open to the Israeli snipers stationed on the top of the sand berms and military watchtowers and inside and behind the military jeeps, the Israeli forces fired live and rubber bullets in addition to a barrage of teargas canisters. The Israeli shooting, which continued at around 17:30, resulted in the injury of 67 Palestinian civilians, including 14 children, 2 women, 2 paramedics, and a journalist. In addition, dozens of demonstrators, paramedics and journalists suffered tear gas inhalation and seizures due to tear gas canisters that were fired by the Israeli forces from the military jeeps and riffles in the eastern Gaza Strip.





The following table shows the number of civilian victims due to the Israeli forces’ suppression of the Great March of Return since its beginning on 30 March:

Wounded Killed
2044 39 Children
319 2 Women
175 2 Journalists
173 3 Medical Crews
– 8 Disabilities
10819 189 Total

Among those wounded, 526 are in serious condition and 101 had their lower or upper limbs amputated; 89 lower-limb amputations, 2 upper-limb amputations, 10 finger amputations and 17 children had their limbs amputated according to the Ministry of Health. The number of those wounded only include those wounded with live bullets and directly hit with tear gas canisters as there have been thousand others who suffered tear gas inhalation and sustained bruises. Notes
https://pchrgaza.org/en/?p=11988
 
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