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Breaking - Wilson-Raybould resigns from Trudeau cabinet in wake of SNC-Lavalin claims

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Trudeau and the Liberals have just handed the Conservative opposition and the hapless NDP a sledgehammer to pummel and smash out what little cerebral matter remains in Trudeau 's head. It will become increasingly hot for the Liberals if Wilson-Raybould is not allowed to speak freely about what happened with SNC Lavalin. Trudeau needs her to STFU, if she sings like a canary then Trudeau just might be gravely injured at the polls by historically fickle Quebec come election time, setting up parasites like Maxim Bernier to split the vote.
 

nottyboi

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Socrates: when the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.

Everyone of Justin's disasters ( and there have been a lot) have been self-inflicted
He just was not ready & now we know..... he never will be
you exaggerate, a few PR missteps. Some self inflicted for sure.
 

nottyboi

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Trudeau and the Liberals have just handed the Conservative opposition and the hapless NDP a sledgehammer to pummel and smash out what little cerebral matter remains in Trudeau 's head. It will become increasingly hot for the Liberals if Wilson-Raybould is not allowed to speak freely about what happened with SNC Lavalin. Trudeau needs her to STFU, if she sings like a canary then Trudeau just might be gravely injured at the polls by historically fickle Quebec come election time, setting up parasites like Maxim Bernier to split the vote.
Oh you can bet Trudeau is having his big doners fund Bernier, thats really the best way to eliminate Sheer.
 

wigglee

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I think Trudeau has just bungled his way out of office. Say hello to the new Prime Dufus Scheer!
 

lomotil

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I think Trudeau has just bungled his way out of office. Say hello to the new Prime Dufus Scheer!
Sheer cannot get any traction in Quebec at all. Sheer can only win if the swing voters who liked Trudeau last time go PC or NDP .
 

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The Liberals are now trying to claim Wilson-Raybould may have been shuffled from Justice because she doesn't speak French.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/pol...aybould-might-have-lost-justice-post-because/

Too funny.

This scandal just keeps snowballing and it ain't going away any time soon.

Whether the PMO behaved incorrectly or not in the discussions about SNC-Lavalin, some of the most lasting damage from this scandal will come from the prime minister's blatant dishonesty and the shocking ineptitude of the prime minister and his office in dealing with the mess.

Well they are being polite, fact is she was not good at her job. The PM seeks advice from his cabinet, NOT they other way around. She is an experienced lawyer and she apparently want JT to tell her what to do when it patently obvious? WOW!!!
 

JohnLarue

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She has an axe to grind. It appears she violated Cabinet Secrecy which is a big issue in govt. Also the fact she accepted then VA position and then resigned is really a negative mark on her character. She use the VA department just to stab the PM in the back.
You lefties are something else

Justin made a huge deal about aboriginals & women and the need to be inclusive
So much so he chose his cabinet , boy, girl, boy , girl.... , rather than selecting the best person to manage important ministries for the benefit of Canadians
Wilson Raybould as both a lady and a native was the poster girl for Justin's all important gender and reconciliation experiment.
Then to his surprise she did not tow the wishes of Gerald Butts, Justin demoted her and now is trying to make her the scapegoat for an attempted perversion of our justice system.
She is the only principled one of the lot

Justin has had a lot of disasters since being elected and they have all been self-inflicted
He was never qualified for the position
 

JohnLarue

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The PM seeks advice from his cabinet, NOT they other way around.
The PMs office can not influence how a Minister of Justice is expected to deal with a specific case.
Gerald Butts is likely involved here & he is not an elected official
The chairman of SNC is also a donner to the Trudeau Foundation & the Liberal Party
Do you not see how messy this is ?
 

JohnLarue

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you exaggerate, a few PR missteps. Some self inflicted for sure.
Cabinet choices by gender- self-inflicted
Taxing small business- self inflicted
Pipelines - self inflicted
India Trip - Self -inflicted
The budget will balance it self- Self inflected
Running ongoing deficit, despite campaigning on a promise to balance by 2019 - self-inflicted
Boarder security- Self inflicted
Carbon tax plan falling apart - self inflicted
East West division- self inflicted
Money to buy the press- self inflicted
Substituted Canada for Mexico as the bad guy in NAFTA talks- self-inflicted

Justin- please don't run with scissors
 

jcpro

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Cabinet choices by gender- self-inflicted
Taxing small business- self inflicted
Pipelines - self inflicted
India Trip - Self -inflicted
The budget will balance it self- Self inflected
Running ongoing deficit, despite campaigning on a promise to balance by 2019 - self-inflicted
Boarder security- Self inflicted
Carbon tax plan falling apart - self inflicted
East West division- self inflicted
Money to buy the press- self inflicted
Substituted Canada for Mexico as the bad guy in NAFTA talks- self-inflicted

Justin- please don't run with scissors
Don't forget the electoral reform.
 

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The "Scott Brison" excuse has escalated this thing to a whole new level of idiocy. Even Peter Mansbridge was poking fun at Trudeau on Twitter.
 

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She has an axe to grind. It appears she violated Cabinet Secrecy which is a big issue in govt. Also the fact she accepted then VA position and then resigned is really a negative mark on her character. She use the VA department just to stab the PM in the back.
She has said nothing, so far. But, we have been served numerous explanations and various spins from the PM and the people around him. Until she speaks, on record, what you're just said is the purest bs. Resigning from the Cabinet in itself is not a statement of any kind, unless you actually know what that action suppose to convey. Soon, you will be blaming her for keeping silent and fanning the flames of the controversy. Her silence, BTW, is a brilliant tactic; allowing an inept and incoherent Prime Minister talk himself deeper and deeper into a crisis... and pissing her off. I wonder when she'll have her Elijah Harper moment?
 

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She has said nothing, so far. But, we have been served numerous explanations and various spins from the PM and the people around him. Until she speaks, on record, what you're just said is the purest bs. Resigning from the Cabinet in itself is not a statement of any kind, unless you actually know what that action suppose to convey. Soon, you will be blaming her for keeping silent and fanning the flames of the controversy. Her silence, BTW, is a brilliant tactic; allowing an inept and incoherent Prime Minister talk himself deeper and deeper into a crisis... and pissing her off. I wonder when she'll have her Elijah Harper moment?
So many Liberals have come out of the wood work to humiliate her and destroy her good name, while she can say nothing in return because of attorney client priveldge. No wonder she got fed up and resigned from her cabinate post, the fucking Liberals are hanging her out to dry to save Trudeau and Butts. It's too late for Butts now, he resigned likely to save Trudeau, but it remains to be seen if Trudeau himself will survive the 2019 federal election.
 

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So many Liberals have come out of the wood work to humiliate her and destroy her good name, while she can say nothing in return because of attorney client priveldge. No wonder she got fed up and resigned from her cabinate post, the fucking Liberals are hanging her out to dry to save Trudeau and Butts. It's too late for Butts now, he resigned likely to save Trudeau, but it remains to be seen if Trudeau himself will survive the 2019 federal election.

Oh give me a break. The leak to the Globe and Mail came from somewhere and it came after her move to VA even though the alleged offense took place back in Sept/Oct. So IF it was that serious - why didn't she resign in the Fall or why didn't this leak make it's way to the press in the Fall? If the leak didn't come from her or her office, then where did it come from? And given that the leak involved conversations SHE supposedly had - then what became of "attorney-client privilege"? The Liberals have made a complete mess of this but the leak and the timing doesn't pass the smell test IF the alleged offence was so blatant and unacceptable back in the Fall.
 

nottyboi

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Oh give me a break. The leak to the Globe and Mail came from somewhere and it came after her move to VA even though the alleged offense took place back in Sept/Oct. So IF it was that serious - why didn't she resign in the Fall or why didn't this leak make it's way to the press in the Fall? If the leak didn't come from her or her office, then where did it come from? And given that the leak involved conversations SHE supposedly had - then what became of "attorney-client privilege"? The Liberals have made a complete mess of this but the leak and the timing doesn't pass the smell test IF the alleged offence was so blatant and unacceptable back in the Fall.
Then there is the fact she accepted the VA appointment even though she viewed it as an insult and planned to use it to extract revenge against the PMO, the govt, her party and colleagues. Shes a really bunny burner that one. If people are saying this is an example of "integrity" I am appalled. BTW did you know she went through 4 chiefs of staff? As if the PM is not gonna hear about that chaos and get rid of her. JT was 100% right to fire her. Her behavior put his agenda at huge risk and she was a failure at her job. JT is praying she crosses the aisle. Shes picked a fight with the PM, and that will possibly force him to explain why he fired her. It will NOT enhance her reputation. As for Butts, JT will park him in some high paid job and will still get the full benefit of his consultation.
 

wigglee

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she is still mum and plotting with the caucus, so it looks like she's gonna cover for the PM and his blunders..... damn....and I thought we finally found an honest politician
 

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she is still mum and plotting with the caucus, so it looks like she's gonna cover for the PM and his blunders..... damn....and I thought we finally found an honest politician
Ever since she weighed in on the Boushie case, possibly tainting an appeals process, I haven't trusted her.
 

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My take:

Gender politics resulted in not the best person being chosen for the job. 50% of the Cabinet is female but only 25% of the Liberal caucus being female means that the best were not selected.

She has a reputation for being opinionated. That she had 4 chiefs of staff is an indication.

The Attorney General is a politician, so it's naive to think that this office cannot ethically be influenced by the government of the day. Otherwise, the Attorney General would be an appointee bureaucrat.

As a cabinet member, you play ball with what the cabinet consensus, that is largely driven by the PM. You know what the government wants, and your influence as Attorney General is affected.

The Attorney General has discretion to stay a prosecution (in this case in favour of a civil penalty) if the interests of the country override principles of rule of law. In any case, the rule of law is based on legislation and legislation is what politicians make.

In this case, the government is concerned at the potential job loss if SNC cannot get work as a result of a conviction and either fails or downsizes. That's what politicians do: protect the public interest by promoting improvements in the economy.

I now suspect that Wilson Raybould rubber stamped the arrest and detention of the Huawei executive over the objections of the PM. Not a team player. That decision might have a big economic impact on Canadian jobs if we anger China enough, our second largest trading partner. Next, she is refusing to override the decision of the Prosecution service to prosecute SNC over the concerns of the PM. I think that enough was enough, and she was demoted because she didn't play ball.

Butts got the sack, not because he pressed Wilson-Raybould to change her mind, but because the matter got out of hand as a result of him not being able to give the proper advice and manage it. Plus, it was he who got her into federal politics specifically in order to put her in the cabinet.

What it boils down to is this: you won't win an election because you rigidly upheld the rule of law. But you will lose an election if enough people vote against the you because they lost their jobs. The government was right to wish that the prosecution not take place, but failed miserably to contain the damage.
 

JohnLarue

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My take:

Gender politics resulted in not the best person being chosen for the job. 50% of the Cabinet is female but only 25% of the Liberal caucus being female means that the best were not selected.
So another self-inflicted blunder by Justin's inability to think and reason beyond his ideology
He is a damn fool & was never anywhere near intelligent enough for the responsibility of the PMs job
 

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So another self-inflicted blunder by Justin's inability to think and reason beyond his ideology
He is a damn fool & was never anywhere near intelligent enough for the responsibility of the PMs job
It's Butts who was the fool, because this nonsense coame from him. Trudeau is just an actor reciting his lines written by Butts. Wonder who the new script writer is going to be.

Good thing JT went to drama school.
 
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