2019 What's your current "review" of the Ottawa Scene?

[bobbiz]

This thread {LINK} triggered me to create this one.

I think it would be beneficial for the few remaining Terb members to get each other's perspective on the current hobbying scene in Ottawa. Keeping in mind that we form a very small percentage of the hobbying scene in Ottawa.

I'll start, and I can only really comment on the Ottawa scene since 2015. We know about the following factors: Backpage shutdown in April 2017 and that September (back to school) are quite and that January/February are rough. But this question is not about just now, it's about the progression of last few months (9) and the upcoming ones.

The following observations I've made over the last few months makes me think that many Hobbyists have just given up. What I mean is that they are simply not looking to book Providers anymore (SPs & MAs).

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1. Several escorts switching to outcalls only, probably because I don't think it was profitable to pay for an incall given that they were likely not getting enough bookings to cover the cost.

2. Several escorts lowering their rates to 100hh and even 80hh on leolist probably to attract more clients (not just the bait & switch fake ads).

3. Escorts gone working for a Spa, again probably because paying for an incall wasn't profitable and probably thinking that this town is more Spa oriented now.

4. Providers reaching out to hobbyists to ask when they'll come back for a visit.

5. Escorts complying with providing proof via text extremely easily compared to before.

6. Several touring escorts no longer visiting Ottawa.

7. Members, posts, and reviews in Terb have significantly reduced.

8. Spa/MAs advertising in the SP section of LL and openly offering "more".

9. Providers posting in Terb to get a feel of what's going on in Ottawa and I suspect they are looking to expose themselves since times are slow and they want more clients.

10. Escorts being less restrictive than they once were with their services.

11. More Providers on Twitter, more showing their faces, more posting sexy videos, probably all to attract more clients

12. I noticed a lot of "revamping" from several different entities.

13. Providers are more aggressively trying to make you book them when they are contacted for inquires.

14. lack of member interests in participating/contributing to certain lists and private opportunities.

15. different entities running specials and promoting them a lot.

16. Providers are willing to extend the session just to talk if there's chemistry and no clients lined-up (as per the observations).

17. Some clients mentioned that they have switched over to sugarbabies.

18. Some members have mentioned that strip clubs also have significantly lost clients and are quite dead compared to before.

19. Some MAs can go a full shift without having a single client.

20. There's an obvious Spa war going on in this city. There was even rumours that the Spa/MA fakebooking was done by rival Spa/MAs.

21. Any other observations?

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All this to say that it seems there are less clients in Ottawa, I think many have gave up hobbying. So less demand (clients) for the supply (providers).

More particularly, this city is rather small for the amount of Spas and MAs supply I think.

Is your perspective similar or different? What observations have you made? What's your opinion on the current Ottawa scene?

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EDIT#1: this discussion is NOT about why there are so little reviews posted in Terb, there's another thread for that {LINK}.

EDIT#2: it would be great to get the perspective of the Providers in Ottawa on this. ---> but of course I HIGHLY doubt we'll get any...

[Humble.vicky]

As i am new and have a new or totally third person perspective on ottawa scene, i can comment as i mentioned in other posts. I will wait till other regular members add their valuble inputs here.

[downbound123]

7. Members, posts, and reviews in Terb have significantly reduced.
I am also a member of the rosie board and participation in escort and massage discussion has dwindled to a trickle. Sometimes there can be 4-5 days between new posts.
I have noticed on here that sometimes in the 411 section the early morning post is still the most current even late in the afternoon.
As you said it could be seasonal or other reasons. Not sure why but it is definitely a trend.

[Kay Kelly]

Ive spoken with several members about posting reviews publicly on terb and many are reluctant due to the negative responses to minor issues. No one wants to bear responsibility for ruining a reputation or a business unless its completely nessacery. Many prefer simply to lurk and sample the highlighted recommendations.
I think the Ottawa area of terb needs a general discussion board something where I can sit back with some popcorn and a gin and enjoy a public discussion. Bobbiz I do see merit in some aspects of your points. However I dont feel the rates have actually gone down. With the elimination of the F.A.T. In curious to know how many negative experiences or bait and switches are occurring. Its been a while since the word starfish used in someones review and lots of people coming to see me have never heard of terb.... Several of the clients who have come to see me have expressed concern over negative experiences and questionable practices in Ottawa currently.

There have and will always been those with lower rates and those with higher in any city. I can agree that there seems to be a decrease in SP incall providers within the city..... Several SPs have either gone to Vancouver or NY (miss u) where the rates are higher or become MPs within the city. There's effort and risk for the same amount of money as an MP (not to mention the lessened asscoiated costs)
hope you all are having a great weekend

[moham]

I have cut down on looking for SPs because in the last few months, I have encountered only either fake pics, person not the same as posted or promised services not provided (and they were just ordinary services like DFK, DATY, BBBJ), together with half of the time when I went over for appointments, got ghosted after waiting for up to half an hour. Even the ones who have been reviewed here flaked or ghosted.
Its less services with MA at the established clubs but it least they are almost guaranteed to be the persons posted on their websites and reasonable MA services will be provided.
Since past few months, I have cut down looking for new SP providers by guessing about 80%.

[Jabba]

I have definitely slowed down on hobbying - mostly over the past year.
Regulars have moved-on.
I'm not as into it much anymore. Losing interest.
Leolist is just stupidly out of control - I can't tell who's real anymore. If you don't read through the reviews and follow the recommendations here, I would say you're going to get disappointed - 100%.

I tend not to do the Spas unless I need a quick fix or am curious. Not my thing anymore. The prices seem to be close to SP range.
Maybe the industry is changing due to the demographic - look at strip clubs (a dying breed IMO).

My 0.05$

[slurp]

I often get asked why I frequent what I lovingly call the asian MILF factory rather than see other younger SP. There are several reasons but one of the biggest is reliability. While there is an occasional girl that is not up to par, almost all of them are pretty and friendly service queens. I'm not hung up on age as they are all younger than me and nicely experienced. My days of experimenting and TOFTT are mostly behind me, I have a reliable place that meets my needs. At this point in my life it is a value that I greatly need.

All that said, I am having no issues at all having all the fun I need in Ottawa. I have hobbied a long long time in many places and never had much trouble finding fun. I traveled across Canada and had a blast everywhere I went. I travel to the US and have no issues there, the place most guys think is terrible to go. When you've been around as long as me the hobby becomes what you make it. And I choose to make it fun!

[Nesbot]

Its surprising to read that some of you have trouble distinguishing real from fake on Leolist. It's very easy for me. The fake are ALWAYS too good to be true. They don't even try to use GND pics to make it believable. They use model, pornstar or webcam girls exclusively.

I've cut down on seeing SP's as well but won't make the switch to MA's. I've tried. Just not enough service.

[fall]

I know why I, personally, did not see an SP for over a year and only go to well-established massage clubs: the extra work it needs to book an escort. Before we had at least 3 reputable escort agencies operated in Ottawa with 2-3 girls ion each daily: you can call, talk to the receptionist, and get a girl as soon as in an hour (but definitely the same day). Now Mirage has at most 1 girl in any given day (and most of them are not as good as before), and that is basically it. Plus the move of some of the discussion into "private" chat makes the forum dead. With spas it is simple: just walk in and the limited service by a beautiful girl is guaranteed. With SPs it became much more time consuming then 5-10 years ago. We need someone to get these Brass girls together to make a well-managed on-demand escort agency.

[moham]

well said Fall.
I agree if this well-managed Brass escort agency is operated well, I think it will take over most of the Ottawa SP/MA business.

[JohnnyFever]

Somehow I doubt Brass will turn into an escort agency, and personally I wouldn't want them to. I like massage services, and from that perspective things are pretty good in Ottawa today. Lots of great spas, and some excellent independents too. For those who do want more there quite a few hybrid providers.

[fall]

Do not get me wrong, Brass is great the way it is and it will not turn into escort, but it can definitely produce an escort-agency spin-off if someone would bother to do it. We really need a large reputable escort agency in Ottawa in addition to massage club, and I am sure, most of us will be willing to pay a premium over current SP rates for fast reliable on-demand booking with real young Brass-type girls. As of now, the laziest of us (like myself) and the ones who need on-demand service (like myself) had to switch to massage clubs. I'd be happy to pay $100 (or even more) on top of Brass regular rates for FS, but you cannot get it at Brass, and existing SP options, although cheaper, are mostly not as young and attractive and definitely not as convenient.

[JohnnyFever]

Ottawa is a natural stop on the Toronto to Montreal junket for escort agencies, but supposedly this town is bad for no-shows and last-minute cancellations. Not sure why local agencies like Pink Kitty went under and weren't replaced either. There are some excellent independent providers, but they're mostly out of my range. I'm glad I got to see Alexandra Sky before she priced herself as an elite courtesan, because I could never afford her now.

The last SP I saw was Taylor Monroe, and that was a while ago.

[ottawafitguy]

I have had SPs as clients and while I've never visited them (I'm strictly an MA guy) they have told me that Ottawa is terrible for flakes and no shows and that unfortunately makes out of town SPs want to avoid the city. Why come here when you can go to Toronto or Montreal (as a visitor) and book solid for days with little flaking?

One thing I also know is that the amount of fake ads, robberies etc make me want to avoid the indy SP scene completely. I'm happy to see organizations like OIC pop up because at least you know the girls are legit.

[StillROAMing]

Ottawa isn't oversaturated with escorts like other big cities close by so this could be an issue for some who hobby regularly and tend not to repeat, especially if they're selective. For others it's not a problem and it may not seem quiet at all. Depending how you hobby some feel Ottawa is not good for escorts but I somewhat disagree. The great escorts here seem to build up a solid clientele base and stop advertising until they want a few more good clients before they stop advertising again. In this aspect Ottawa is great for great escorts. Unfortunately, for the ones who hobby regularly and tend to not repeat, this makes it increasingly difficult for them and they are left to choose with what's on LL. Clients who repeat with providers who aren't advertising usually won't post a review, why bother. So this could be a contributing factor to less reviews and even discussions. We all sleep in the bed we make for ourselves.

[scarecrow119]

Ottawa isn't oversaturated with escorts like other big cities close by so this could be an issue for some who hobby regularly and tend not to repeat, especially if they're selective. For others it's not a problem and it may not seem quiet at all. Depending how you hobby some feel Ottawa is not good for escorts but I somewhat disagree. The great escorts here seem to build up a solid clientele base and stop advertising until they want a few more good clients before they stop advertising again. In this aspect Ottawa is great for great escorts. Unfortunately, for the ones who hobby regularly and tend to not repeat, this makes it increasingly difficult for them and they are left to choose with what's on LL. Clients who repeat with providers who aren't advertising usually won't post a review, why bother. So this could be a contributing factor to less reviews and even discussions. We all sleep in the bed we make for ourselves.

I agree. I am a mix of the 2, however I find that I have fewer and fewer go to providers. That and I find that a lot of the new ones are to pricey to take a gamble on. I think there is a psychological block with me that will not let me spend over a certain amount regardless of the circumstances. Look like I am going to have to get over that.

[MikeO]

As I look out from my highrise window at yet another freakin' blizzard, this pretty much summarizes it for the Valentine week in Ottawa: Ruby, Jackie and Erica have all gone to Toronto for the week. Two other of my 'regular' ladies are recovering from winter colds (surprise?). So I've arranged to become prey to a 'Hunter'. I really do appreciate the reviews some of you fine gents post that can guide me into 'warmer places' with some confidence of safety and comfort.

[Jugo]

I personally think most of the trends mentioned by the OP are positive, except for the lack of visiting SPs. Generally speaking, lower prices and wider services are a good thing for the consumer. Ottawa is not as rich as Toronto. Anyway, one thing I like about Ottawa is that we are a smaller city so if you time your trips to avoid rush hour, you can see an SP almost anywhere in the city. In Toronto that could take all day.

Another factor not mentioned by anyone on this thread: the rise of SA. Some of the time, money, and cum that used to go to SPs might be going to non-pros. Of course it is also happening in Toronto and elsewhere.

[Gntlmn]

I really miss the convenience of Pink Kitty and their downtown locations and variety of girls who were available after I was done work (Emily J, Rain, Ashley, Paige, Bella, Cherry for me). Clean location that clients and providers (as a cut) supported. Why it dissolved is of course for multiple reasons. Luckily I have maintained some of my relationships with ex-Kitties who just want to part-time escort with someone they trust. Other than that some Asian MAs have been good.

[pulp]

Another factor not mentioned by anyone on this thread: the rise of SA.

What's SA?

[asuran]

What's SA?

Seeking Arrangement
sugar daddy site

One of the factors in recent years we are seeing somewhat less and less SPs around.
Raising the rates would draw some of them going full SP rather than joining other options for 'quick' money.

[pulp]

Seeking Arrangement
sugar daddy site

Thank you for answering, asuran.

[kingpin1]

I rarely see SP anymore because of the lack of hot girls who deliver good service. Most of the hot legit girls are MA and I refuse to see MA because service is far too restrictive. SA is where it's at for me as I connect with the girls way better, great selection, less BS and for the most part you get a true GF experience.

[JohnnyFever]

Isn't that on the list of forbidden topics here?