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    ALO vs AT/PS review

    I am a big fan of MA recommendation list. While reviewing it I notice that probably 80-90% of all recommendation are related to CMJ/ALO.
    Given number of MA working for AT/PS, I would expect at lease 20-30% of recommendations (negative or positive) to be related to this establishment.

    Can some explain lack of reviews? or people just keeping to themselves:-)?

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    This thought has crossed my mind as well.
    But I have noticed some bad press about AT/PS girls not showering with clients, finishing early, and being mechanical more than any other spa. So there’s that.

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    If the MAs were doing a poor job, one would assume there would still be votes though, just -1 instead of +1 votes. It seems that members of this board just visit there less

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    Ive had plenty of shitty experiences at A/PT. i dont agree with negative reviews so i wont post them. Whereas i agree with positive reviews so ill post them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew1234567 View Post
    Ive had plenty of shitty experiences at A/PT. i dont agree with negative reviews so i wont post them. Whereas i agree with positive reviews so ill post them.
    Andrew, with that attitude you might want to consider joining the rosie board if you haven't done so already, all they allow are positive reviews.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NewLenny View Post
    Never been to AT/PS so no comment on that. I've had experiences at ALO ranging from lack-lustre to mind-blowingly awesome. But I do agree with Andrew (mostly) about negative reviews. Sure, a -1 is warranted if you get really shorted on time, or if service is objectively bad, but I'm not going to screw up a woman's ability to make a living just because we didn't connect or she wasn't having a good day. I just won't repeat. I think the GFE list is great, but it is most useful for determining who to go see, and shouldn't be relied on so much for who to avoid.
    A single -1 vote isn't going to destroy a woman's career, as long as she has more +1 votes.

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    I’ve worked at a couple of spa in my provider’s carrer and Paradise was my favorite so far .. Everybody that met me already knows , I am very OCD on cleaning and Paradise was the only place to meet my standards ..
    I worked there 4years (approximately) and if I ever decide to go back to the Spa life , Paradise will be my first choice.
    I built my clientele there and had a great experience working for Angy ..
    The training is very great , the spa has a big clientele and the receptionist makes it very easy for the booking ..
    Nothing was broken because they take very good care of the location.. It was always a new massage table in the box ready to be used if one was broken , their shower is big and awesome .. My room (yes I had a favorite room ) Safari , was always clean and it was plenty of girls to choose from for my regulars if I was already busy ..
    I simply don’t understand why it’s not more reviewed on the Gfe list ...
    I Have great memories of that place and will always keep a special place in my heart for Paradise Spa ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alison_xox View Post
    I’ve worked at a couple of spa in my provider’s carrer and Paradise was my favorite so far .. Everybody that met me already knows , I am very OCD on cleaning and Paradise was the only place to meet my standards ..
    I worked there 4years (approximately) and if I ever decide to go back to the Spa life , Paradise will be my first choice.
    I built my clientele there and had a great experience working for Angy ..
    The training is very great , the spa has a big clientele and the receptionist makes it very easy for the booking ..
    Nothing was broken because they take very good care of the location.. It was always a new massage table in the box ready to be used if one was broken , their shower is big and awesome .. My room (yes I had a favorite room ) Safari , was always clean and it was plenty of girls to choose from for my regulars if I was already busy ..
    I simply don’t understand why it’s not more reviewed on the Gfe list ...
    I Have great memories of that place and will always keep a special place in my heart for Paradise Spa ...

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    Alison, you're a great girl that offers great service and has a good head on your shoulders. If you did go back to work at Paradise, I would be very confident in saying that you would be the only girl there fitting that description! Ever since Victoria left, there havn't been any girls at Paradise that even come close to GFE. Many of them are only after our $$$ and upsell extras constantly, and will always short change us on time (why bother paying for 60mins when the girl will get you out of there within 30mins?).

    Paradise used to be decent when the overall quality and service of the industry was very basic, but now that the industry has moved forward, Paradise has failed to follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillReid451 View Post
    Alison, you're a great girl that offers great service and has a good head on your shoulders. If you did go back to work at Paradise, I would be very confident in saying that you would be the only girl there fitting that description! Ever since Victoria left, there havn't been any girls at Paradise that even come close to GFE. Many of them are only after our $$$ and upsell extras constantly, and will always short change us on time (why bother paying for 60mins when the girl will get you out of there within 30mins?).
    Thanks for the compliments sweetheart ,
    It’s funny that you mentioned Victoria .. I’ve spoked to her recently and it was one of the girls with whom I kept contact since we left Paradise .. She truly is awesome ..

    Did you guys tried to pm Angy to express your concerns ?
    I remember that she’s very great with following up with her clientele’s complaints & needs ..
    If none of you guys express it to her , how can she knows ?
    It’s not like she’s in the room during the session..
    When I was there , we had staff meetings where she was setting the goals of the spa .. (Service Quality , rates , behaviours to adjust ) .. She’s a team worker so I would be very surprised if you pm
    her and she’s not following up with your concerns ..

    She’s not the typical owner that will avoid what her clients are telling her .. She’s more the kind of buisiness woman that will use it to improve and to grow ..

    I never had a staff meeting anywhere else so take it or leave it , but my advice would be to contact her privately and to let her know what was your dislikes about your last session there and let her deal with the issue like the buisiness woman she is .. You might be positively surprised..

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    Also ,
    I forgot to mention , but I don’t get so much votes or reviews anymore .. Is that because I am no longer a great provider ?
    I think once you get a lot of reviews , the client don’t really know what else to say that is not already mentioned in your previous reviews..
    The fact that most of my clients are regulars , they don’t really feel the need to review or to put a -1 or +1 in the Gfe list ..
    I will take Victoria as a exemple since I am not trying to advertise myself here .. Vic was an awesome provider with a well built reputation.. She was CRAZY busy but you don’t see her name on the Gfe list everywhere .. She legendary , but not reviewed everyday ..
    See where I am getting ?
    Kimora’s busy , she is well established , she’s not only Gfe but she’s also hybrid .. She’s not reviewed everyday , she’s not the most popular on the Gfe list ..
    Isa Massage’s is a well established provider , great services and well reviewed .. You don’t see her everyday on the Gfe list..
    Exclusively Mia and I share enough clients for me to KNOW FOR A FACT that she’s an awesome provider and fit the Gfe list requirements to get a shit load of +1 but she’s not reviewed everyday and she’s not in the gfe list everyday ..

    The list is a great tool , but in my humble opinion it is more a popularity contest than anything else and you can’t use it to know if a provider’s good or not .. If a spa’s good or not ..
    It gives you an idea , but the best way to know would be to read the reviews of the girl you want to see and to communicate with her directly..

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    Ali

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldNerd View Post
    I am a big fan of MA recommendation list. While reviewing it I notice that probably 80-90% of all recommendation are related to CMJ/ALO.
    Given number of MA working for AT/PS, I would expect at lease 20-30% of recommendations (negative or positive) to be related to this establishment.

    Can some explain lack of reviews? or people just keeping to themselves:-)?
    There seems to be plenty of ratings for AT/PS girls on the GFE MA list as for any other location. Not sure why there aren't as many full reviews. Perhaps the full reviews scroll off the page quicker, as there aren't as many long threads with their girls?

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    I think 'Extras' have really taken over the MA industry all over Ottawa, especially since Backpage went down as the catalyst for the current climate.

    My untested and unproven hypothesis:

    - SP services had become harder to find (to some) and clients were left to turn to known spas or agencies only (for a few months anyhow). A slight boom for the MA industry.

    - Some SP's returned to spas to reaccess new clients.

    - Policing of 'extras' seems non-existent at most spas over the past 2 years, by (some) spa MGMT and police. They'll even advertise in the escort section for an MA shift at times.

    - Why MGMT doesn't police 'extras'? If girls can and want to charge extras and are forbidden at one spa, they will leave to join another spa that turns a blind eye. Economics of supply and demand. It's double the $ for MA's take home, and girls talk to each other and modify their boundaries. Hiring new and inexperienced staff is time consuming for a spa and comes at a cost to them, especially if the MA is loyal and a good employee otherwise.

    - Also, there would also be some pressure on MA's to offer 'extras', even before first meeting because some are using this for their screening of MA 'friendliness'. The same argument as MA's pressured to offer kissing and GFE basically, or not.

    - Clients want to feel safe for SP and are paying a premium price for SP services from an MA. Better to pay a bit extra than having a bad or horrible experience overall.

    - I know 'extras' have taken over some spas so bad that some attendants have no idea how to give a proper HJ as it wasn't EVER (as in zero times) the final service requested.

    I obviously cannot prove this, but feel the veteran MA's at every spa know this all too well, and must go for it or sit idle for an entire shift, which must be really hard on an MA.

    I personally dislike the 'extras' aspect and will visit an MA for a different experience than I would if I wanted SP services.

    Maybe a +1 is all they can say, based on terb rules on MA extras?!

    Times are a changing I feel, no idea if it's better for the industry overall though. You can only push boundaries so far before it causes other unforeseen reactions to start to manifest.

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    Good evening everyone! Cassandra here, the General Manager of both AT and PS.

    Firstly, I would like to speak to the earlier comments by thanking all of you for your feedback. We appreciate any feedback whether it is favourable or unfavourable. It really helps us in moving forward and with the changes we are trying to do in the next year.

    As Allison has mentioned, communication with our clients is very important. Your thoughts and opinions are essential. Please feel free to PM or e-mail me directly to discuss anything.

    I have been the GM for just over a year now. My first order of business was to create an environment for the staff that was both enjoyable and profitable. We worked very hard to ensure that we created a team that reflected our own wants and needs and the wants and needs of our clients. I am very proud of the team we have now. We have a gorgeous group of ladies who want to work hard, who provide an amazing service, and of course, a diversity that you won’t see anywhere else. A team in which, we are continuously adding to.

    2019 will be an exciting time for us and for our cherished clientele. We plan on major renovations of AT and a major refresh of PS, a complete revamping of our advertising and website, a more streamlined and efficient client and staff management system, and so much more! As you can imagine, these changes won’t happen over night but we want all of you to know that we are working hard for you and will continue to do so even after everything is done.

    We hope you will stay tuned over the next year for all of these changes and we hope that all of you come and check us out.

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    That's not it at all Alison I think it's because you are a great provider and no one wants to share you precious time with anyone else ☺

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    Great reply from Cassie, thanks for stepping up and making a statement.

    Paradise is located very conveniently to me and was always my go to place until my bad experience. I’ve been back a handful of times, and have always enjoyed Angels, but have strayed elsewhere because the one bad experience opened me up to what other spas in the city had to offer and I have more or less never looked back.

    I know one customer’s experience (mine) doesn’t make or break a business, but I just wanted to share my experience and hope it helps your spa moving forward.
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    Thank you for sharing Pool, it will definitely help us moving forward. I hope you will consider coming back soon and if you do, maybe send me a message and I can suggest someone new for you visit.
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    Haven't been to ALO (yet) because I switched to CMJ after my final poor experience at Angels (which I reviewed). I think standard vary based on the provider and also the customer, for example there are certain things I enjoy during a session that are within MA limits (DFK for example) and certain things that annoy me (no shower at the end and short changing time). Once I was about 4/5 in terms of disappointment with providers (and my first experience ever was mind blowing amazing) I gave up. Hope they have turned things around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ottawafitguy View Post
    Haven't been to ALO (yet) because I switched to CMJ after my final poor experience at Angels (which I reviewed). I think standard vary based on the provider and also the customer, for example there are certain things I enjoy during a session that are within MA limits (DFK for example) and certain things that annoy me (no shower at the end and short changing time). Once I was about 4/5 in terms of disappointment with providers (and my first experience ever was mind blowing amazing) I gave up. Hope they have turned things around.
    I think if you follow the GFE MA list, then chances are reduced that you'll have a dud experience, no matter where you are going. If the girl doesn't appear in that list, then either she's too new to have any ratings yet, or she's not worth rating? Which one it is would depend on whether you want to TOFTT or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ottawafitguy View Post
    Haven't been to ALO (yet) because I switched to CMJ after my final poor experience at Angels (which I reviewed). I think standard vary based on the provider and also the customer, for example there are certain things I enjoy during a session that are within MA limits (DFK for example) and certain things that annoy me (no shower at the end and short changing time). Once I was about 4/5 in terms of disappointment with providers (and my first experience ever was mind blowing amazing) I gave up. Hope they have turned things around.
    This was my overall experience as well. The first I saw a MA was at Angels. It was a great first experience but had mostly bad ones since. No shower for 2s, upcharges that made me wish I went to see a SP for an hour instead. I have only been there 7 or 8 times but once I went to CMJ, there was never any reason to go back. I've been to ALO will varying results the locations I've gone to it's hard to have a shower for 2.
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