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Ocasio-Cortez: Democrats' Green New Deal requires "massive government intervention"

Frankfooter

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And I pointed out to you that scientific hypothesis are not proven by polls
And I pointed out I wasn't proving a scientific hypothesis, I was just proving that you are an extremist.



Now once again, you admit reading the document, so what is you position on the GND?
The GND contains lofty goals, which if implemented would be good for the US and the planet.
Sadly, it doesn't have much of a chance, but at least its entering the conversation and is supported by the views of Americans who aren't extremists like you.

'Tax-the-rich' policies are all the rage in the US

The US is a plutocracy at present and needs change.
 

Moviefan-2

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That's not what it says.
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/02/0...on-introduced-by-rep-alexandra-ocasio-cortez/

It says the goals should be accomplished through a 10 year mobilization, not that the work would be done totally in 10 years.
Sorry larue, but my views are more represented by mainstream Canadians then yours.
The GND contains lofty goals, which if implemented would be good for the US and the planet.
So we now have Frankfooter telling us about the timing for implementing the Green New Deal and claiming his statements about the GND are supported by mainstream Canadians.

I assume this means he is now familiar with the content.

Let's ensure we have a clear understanding of Frankfooter's position. Frankfooter: Do you support the Green New Deal?
 

JohnLarue

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And I pointed out I wasn't proving a scientific hypothesis, I was just proving that you are an extremist.
Being called an extremist by commie fool is entertaining
And you most certainly are not proving a scientific hypothesis, not about climate anyways
Although you might be proving some social scientists hypothesis about reprehensible behaviour on the internet


The GND contains lofty goals, which if implemented would be good for the US and the planet.
If implemented????
You have not been paying attention. It is never going to be implemented as it is physically impossible to implement



Sadly, it doesn't have much of a chance,
Hows does zero chance sound because it is physically impossible

but at least its entering the conversation and is supported by the views of Americans who aren't extremists like you.
You mean the stupid disease is spreading?
I was hoping it was not contagious

The US is a plutocracy at present and needs change.
Yeah you claim the US needs change, you want to replace capitalism with socialism and you call me the extremist in the same thread
Ok Comrade
Your not the sharpest tool in the shed are you?
 

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The AOC wing of the Democratic Party will tear it apart. There is no way that the Pelosi Democrats will ever adopt any of the GND ideas. It's a suicide. They have successfully suppressed the Sanders socialism only to let it in through the front door, again. And the tragedy is that AOS is an idiot who literally knows nothing, yet gets a big play in the equally idiotic media hungry for a charismatic game changing narrative. Her latest "win" against Amazon will play right in that direction. Except.... the rest of the country will only hear "25 thousand lost jobs". And that puts the Democratic Party squarely in the NDP territory: extremist, special interests and an enemy of the working people.
 

Frankfooter

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Yeah you claim the US needs change, you want to replace capitalism with socialism and you call me the extremist in the same thread
Ok Comrade
Your not the sharpest tool in the shed are you?
The US has a declining life expectancy and a massive and growing divide between rich and poor.
Most americans want change, and not that implemented by a lying, corrupt, entitled rich arsewipe.
The US political system is a choice between two lobbyist controlled parties, neither of which represents voters very well.

But that's not a call for socialism, unless you think Canada is a socialist country, in which case maybe you should leave and find somewhere more to your views.
 

Frankfooter

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The AOC wing of the Democratic Party will tear it apart. There is no way that the Pelosi Democrats will ever adopt any of the GND ideas. It's a suicide. They have successfully suppressed the Sanders socialism only to let it in through the front door, again. And the tragedy is that AOS is an idiot who literally knows nothing, yet gets a big play in the equally idiotic media hungry for a charismatic game changing narrative. Her latest "win" against Amazon will play right in that direction. Except.... the rest of the country will only hear "25 thousand lost jobs". And that puts the Democratic Party squarely in the NDP territory: extremist, special interests and an enemy of the working people.
And yet you'd think they'd have learned by backing Clinton and the establishment, as Clinton and Trump were both the least popular candidates in history.
Pushing the establishment and Pelosi is suicide.
 

JohnLarue

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The US has a declining life expectancy and a massive and growing divide between rich and poor.
Most americans want change, and not that implemented by a lying, corrupt, entitled rich arsewipe.
The US political system is a choice between two lobbyist controlled parties, neither of which represents voters very well.

But that's not a call for socialism, unless you think Canada is a socialist country, in which case maybe you should leave and find somewhere more to your views.
AOC views are just as ridiculous north of the boarder.
Start practicing typing Prime Minister Scheer (as Justin's puppet master Gerald Butts just resigned)
Perhaps you might consider relocating as Canada will soon be returning to a sane path forward
 

Moviefan-2

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The Green New Deal calls for the government to assume controlling interest in a large swath of the economy, in everything from the energy sector to the airline industry and much more.

That is socialism. Its defenders even call it "democratic socialism": https://www.thestar.com/opinion/con...hat-canada-needs-now-is-a-green-new-deal.html

And let's not forget that AOC is a member of the Democratic Socialists of America: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...red-wins-midterms-what-s-their-agenda-n941911

Meanwhile, one of the worst parts about the GND is that it would utterly fail to meet its own stated objectives.

Beyond the economic ruin that it would inflict on the U.S., it calls for eliminating nuclear power and even hydroelectric as energy sources and replacing all of the fossil fuels with renewable energy.

That's a total fairy-tale. If the U.S. tried to implement this, it would ultimately have to import massive amounts of energy from other countries that burn fossil fuels and would ultimately increase man-made global emissions.

The GND is a failure both as economic policy and a failure in terms of its own environmental goals.
 

JohnLarue

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JohnLarue

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The Green New Deal calls for the government to assume controlling interest in a large swath of the economy, in everything from the energy sector to the airline industry and much more.

That is socialism. Its defenders even call it "democratic socialism": https://www.thestar.com/opinion/con...hat-canada-needs-now-is-a-green-new-deal.html

And let's not forget that AOC is a member of the Democratic Socialists of America: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...red-wins-midterms-what-s-their-agenda-n941911

Meanwhile, one of the worst parts about the GND is that it would utterly fail to meet its own stated objectives.

Beyond the economic ruin that it would inflict on the U.S., it calls for eliminating nuclear power and even hydroelectric as energy sources and replacing all of the fossil fuels with renewable energy.

That's a total fairy-tale. If the U.S. tried to implement this, it would ultimately have to import massive amounts of energy from other countries that burn fossil fuels and would ultimately increase man-made global emissions.

The GND is a failure both as economic policy and a failure in terms of its own environmental goals.
Fairy tale is right
The objectives in the plan would work against one another
How would they build all the new shit they want if they shut down energy ?

It would never get started at all as nobody would lend the US govt money if it announced intentions to go down this road

Money does not day dream like AOC, rather it avoids (runs away from) risk
 

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Moviefan-2

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At $300 billion in extreme weather damage, the risk is from continuing climate change and doing nothing about it.
How does implementing a plan that would dramatically increase man-made carbon emissions constitute "doing" something about climate change?
 

JohnLarue

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At $300 billion in extreme weather damage, the risk is from continuing climate change and doing nothing about it.
You should check the insurance industries statements on the matter, they are conservative as fuck but very worried about paying out more and more for weather damage.
https://www.ft.com/content/92e19630-aba2-11e8-8253-48106866cd8a
Hello
Climate change is the perfect opportunity for them to raise premiums

as for the damage values I have told you many times:
1. Construction inflation is double that of CPI,
2. more people are living near the coast and
3. New Orleans was built on a swamp in a region which has had hurricanes since ... forever. That was poor planning from centuries ago finally failing
 

Frankfooter

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Hello
Climate change is the perfect opportunity for them to raise premiums

as for the damage values I have told you many times:
1. Construction inflation is double that of CPI,
2. more people are living near the coast and
3. New Orleans was built on a swamp in a region which has had hurricanes since ... forever. That was poor planning from centuries ago finally failing
The insurance industry has to raise premiums because they are paying out more in damages.
Its not the other way around, mr science.

Your claims about damage costs are just stupid, by the way.
Try using facts instead of your opinion.
 

JohnLarue

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Good point, your plan would be a disaster.
Lets stick to a carbon tax.
You are too slow to understand what Moviefan-2 said

Renoing every building in america, charging stations everywhere, a whole fleet of new railways and rail lines as well as replacing 250 MM vehicles in 10 years?????
The copper mines , aluminum smelters , steel smelters and plastics companies would have to massively increase their production to accomplish a fraction of this
Emissions would increase dramatically stupid

Were you dropped on your head as a child?

BTW carbon taxes will not impact emissions, but we know you would tax the dead & children if you could
 

JohnLarue

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The insurance industry has to raise premiums because they are paying out more in damages.
Its not the other way around, mr science.
Oh so the insurance companies are now benevolent servants of the people who have never seized upon an opportunity to raise premiums ?
Frankie the commie comes to the rescue of the insurance companies!!!!! Too funny
What is Warren Buffets biggest investment & why?

And the damages are because of higher construction inflation, more people living near the coast and a planning disaster waiting to happen which did happen

Your claims about damage costs are just stupid, by the way.
Try using facts instead of your opinion.
prove these facts wrong or get lost, you blithering idiot
Jesus
 

Frankfooter

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Oh so the insurance companies are now benevolent servants of the people who have never seized upon an opportunity to raise premiums ?
You are clueless.
Severe Weather Causes $1.9 Billion in Insured Damage in 2018
That's in Canada.
http://www.ibc.ca/on/resources/medi...-causes-190-million-in-insured-damage-in-2018

January storms and floods that caused more than $54 million in insured damage across Eastern Canada
February storms and floods that caused more than $57 million in insured damage across southern Ontario and Quebec
An early-April storm that caused more than $85 million in insured damage across Ontario and Quebec
A mid-April ice storm that affected southern Ontario and resulted in more than $190 million in insured damage
An early-May windstorm that affected Ontario and parts of Quebec and topped $410 million – with $380 million of this damage being in Ontario
Summer storms across the Prairies that caused more than $240 million in insured damage
A flood in Toronto on August 7 that caused over $80 million in insured damage
Ottawa-Gatineau tornadoes and windstorms on September 21 caused $295 million in insured damage
December storms in British Columbia that caused $37 million in insured damage
You gonna claim that Toronto is too close to the coast, or its construction costs in the prairies that are increasing?
Or are you gonna tell us that Ottawa really should be prepared for tornadoes?
 

Moviefan-2

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Good point, your plan would be a disaster.
You think the Green New Deal is my plan?

Let me set you straight: I think the GND is insane. That's not an endorsement.

And the reality remains that cutting off almost all of America's energy supply and failing to replace most of it would force the U.S. to import energy from countries that produce energy burning fossil fuels.

Replacing power from nuclear plants with imported energy from coal-fired plants would significantly increase global carbon emissions.

As Bill Gates and others have recommended, if the U.S. wants to reduce its emissions, it should do the exact opposite of what is proposed in the GND and invest in more nuclear power: https://www.businessinsider.com/bill-gates-us-should-regain-leadership-in-nuclear-power-2018-12
 
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