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Amidst Global Warming Hysteria, NASA Expects Global Cooling

Phil C. McNasty

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You too, don't worry, you can leave all the 'complicated science' to me
Sure thing.

Make sure you dont forget to hide under your bed tonight from all that global warming

 

Frankfooter

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I'm smart enough to understand that you can't hide from climate change, Phil.
And you really should stop posting photos of your room, I know you're proud of your decorating skills but this is really an anonymous board.
Modelling it after Michael Piggin may seem clever to you, but should you ever meet a girl who can past your incel tendancies chances are she won't approve.
 

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This researches are being done at CERN and published in Nature: ....
Do you not realize that no one denies solar activity plays a role or that none of those studies claim it plays a larger role than CO2?

Sorry but the study you keep posting shows that only a fraction of a percent support your ridiculous claims.
 

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My theory is the theory of most scientists - we don't know. Climate is a chaotic system with many factors affecting it - clouds, wind patterns, ocean currents, solar activity, earth's tilt, the magnetic field, volcanic activity, land use, wildfires....
Are you the same way about evolution? Do you deny it is happening because there are some parts which the scientific community doesn't know yet?
 

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Right, but lets be truthful here Frankie, you dont understand all the science either, you're just following the herd
At least the herd he's following is the one supported by science.

It's sort of common sense. Do you want to accept thousands of people with doctorates and who actually study the topic or do you want to believe a retired TV weather personality.
 

basketcase

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Sure thing.

Make sure you dont forget to hide under your bed tonight from all that global warming

Are you calling him a nazi simply because he has a clear double standard against Israel and Jewish sources and a clear belief that Arabs are incapable of moral choices?
 

Frankfooter

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Are you calling him a nazi simply because he has a clear double standard against Israel and Jewish sources and a clear belief that Arabs are incapable of moral choices?
Keep it in the Israel threads, basketcase.
There are already too many of them.
 

JohnLarue

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Yeah, I can see why you could be intimidated by the masses of scientists who's work you choose to ignore.
I do not ignore it all. I told you, one can not possibly make an intelligent determination by viewing only one side of the argument
You are more concerned about winning vs losing. I am more concerned with obtaining the truth
 

JohnLarue

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I'll make it a short post to give you a fighting chance at understanding it.
This should be interesting
Greenhouse gases, like CO2 and methane, allow energy from the sun into the atmosphere but also trap it from escaping.
How do they trap the energy?
Explain this in detail and explain why N2 & O2 which are far more abundant yet not considered an issue

Water vapour is also a greenhouse gas but its a feedback effect,
What is the scientific proof of this feedback loop theory?
Please explain it in detail
What are the relative proportions of C02 vs. water in the atmosphere?

as in it is dependant on the temperature whereas CO2 is a forcing effect as it can increase or decrease the temperature of the atmosphere.
Really????
You say "it can increase or decrease the temperature of the atmosphere". This is kinda loosey goosey for a locked down theory which is now apparently beyond debate
You can not be serious
It has been know for years the greenhouse gas theory requires a corresponding heating of the atmosphere. They have been sending weather balloons up into the atmosphere in search of this atmospheric heat for decades

Please elaborate on
whereas CO2 is a forcing effect
What forces does it exert?
What is the mechanism of this forcing effect?
What is it exerting the force on ?


CO2 accounts for about 80% of the greenhouse effects temperature changes. Without greenhouse gases the surface of the planet would be 0ºC, instead of the 15ºC it presently is. Adding more CO2 or methane increases the atmosphere, as shown by our adding 100 ppm and increasing the global temp roughly 1ºC.
Actually about 2/3 projected temperature increase predicted by the IPCC models is based upon the theoretical water vapour feedback loop
80% for Co2 is a whole lot more than the 1/3 the IPCC models are using.
How do you explain that?
Are you wrong or are they wrong?

mr science, as someone who doesn't believe in the greenhouse effect or anthropogenic climate change, how do you account for the 1ºC of warming the planet has undergone?
How does the end of the last ice age sound ?
How does placing heat sources next to 89% of the thermometers used to record the data sound ?

Note that using 'natural variablility' is not an answer as it doesn't mean anything.
It means nothing to a know-nothing fool who does not understand what he is taking about and is too lazy or stupid to look it up
The climate has been undergoing 'natural variability' for the last 4.5 B years, so yeah it is a very real and viable hypothesis
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Are you calling him a nazi simply because he has a clear double standard against Israel and Jewish sources and a clear belief that Arabs are incapable of moral choices?
Yeah, you're not that far off actually :nod:
 

JohnLarue

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Are you the same way about evolution? Do you deny it is happening because there are some parts which the scientific community doesn't know yet?
If the scientific community does not fully know the entire story as you admit, then
a) why the need to end the debate ?
b) How can they know with any certainty that man made Co2 is the culprit. they do not really know what % of atmospheric CO2 is man made. It is a guess
c) How can they predict with any certainty what is going to happen ?

These are simple clarification questions & until these and few more are properly answered I will need to defer making my decision and remain neutral
 

Phil C. McNasty

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At least the herd he's following is the one supported by science
Atmospheric science, which is so complicated very few people in the world will ever understand (never mind can predict for the next 50 years or so).
But sure, if you think they are gonna be 100% accurate, then knock yourself out sweetheart.

BTW I lost count how many times the "experts" got the weather forecast wrong this year.
That too, is based on science (meteorology)
 

Phil C. McNasty

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And on that note, its time for a new sig girl :rockon:
 

JohnLarue

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1 - you are not neutral. You have chosen to believe Anthony Watts, a blogger with no science degree, over NASA and the IPCC.
That is very much not neutral
Again you do not get to define my opinion. Piss off
I merely pointed out Mr Watts highlighted a pretty serious issue with the input data collection and I am curious how that issue was addressed / ignored
It is worth considering as I try to decide
So yeah I am still neutral


2 - You have no alternate hypothesis nor have any data that disproves anthropogenic climate change
Lots of alternative hypothesis including natural variability

Until you can accurately describe the differential absorption by plants, soil, oceans & mountains across temperature and across time you can not say with any certainty what proportion of the Co2 in the atmosphere is man made. This is an extremely difficult nut to crack, given climate is such a dynamic system

Similarity without an increase in atmospheric temperature , the greenhouse theory does not hold together. They have been searching for a hot layer / hot spot for decades & no luck.

You do not understand the science you hold up as unquestionable

You are a blithering idiot
 

Frankfooter

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This should be interesting
It has been know for years the greenhouse gas theory requires a corresponding heating of the atmosphere. They have been sending weather balloons up into the atmosphere in search of this atmospheric heat for decades
The greenhouse effect reflects heat back to the surface, larue. Not off into space.
I suggest you start by reading the fucking wiki page on the greenhouse effect, if you were able to learn new ideas you'd be able to understand that your basic premise is fucking scientifically ignorant.
The greenhouse effect is the process by which radiation from a planet's atmosphere warms the planet's surface to a temperature above what it would be without its atmosphere.[1][2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenhouse_effect
First fucking sentence in the post, mr science.

Until you understand that incredibly simple point you'll just keep talking about why its not as warm up in the clouds or why when you head right out into space there is no climate change at all, and why when you get right out into space it proves there is no climate change at all and the UN is to blame for it!

There is no point addressing any questions from you until you can understand the basics, mr science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nuFfd9kgbE
 

Frankfooter

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Again you do not get to define my opinion. Piss off
I merely pointed out Mr Watts highlighted a pretty serious issue with the input data collection and I am curious how that issue was addressed / ignored
You deny the work of the IPCC as legit and instead quote a single source who has no degree in anything, has done no legit research and is funded by the fossil fuel industry lobbyists.
That's not neutral, that's denying all legit science and backing the work of a lobbyist.

Lots of alternative hypothesis including natural variability
Or Martians, you forgot to say that Martians could be warming up the planet.
Or the Russians.
Or that maybe 'cuz there is still snow on the ground climate change is done.
Did you also blame the UN, like big sleazy and Kirk?
'Natural variability' just means you have no fucking clue what it could be.
A legit hypothesis would list the causes and the effects not just say 'things change' and that's my theory.
 

JohnLarue

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The greenhouse effect reflects heat back to the surface, larue. Not off into space.
Gee stupid what happens to any material which reflects heat?
It gets warmer
If you had a clue you would know the entire theory is based upon electromagnetic radiation (specifically infrared radiation) hitting C02 molecules and reflecting energy back towards the surface
When this occurs the molecule ABSORBS some of that energy via molecular vibration which creates heat

BTW I have some experience operating Infrared spectrometers as an analytical tool for identifying organic compounds
How did you learn about the theory again?

Explain the Absorption theory in detail and explain why N2 & O2 which are far more abundant yet not considered an issue?
It is quite a straight forward answer if you truly understand what the theory proposes

How can the surface be heating up at a faster rate than the atmosphere ?
The greenhouse gas theory dictate there has to be a heating up of the atmosphere
They have been looking for a hot spot in the atmosphere for decades to validate the theory


I suggest you start by reading the fucking wiki page on the greenhouse effect, if you were able to learn new ideas you'd be able to understand that your basic premise is fucking scientifically ignorant.
Too funny
I understand the theory quite well and for that reason it is easy to see that you do not


There is no point addressing any questions from you until you can understand the basics, mr science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nuFfd9kgbE
Come on! If the debate is settled you must know the answers to these questions and many more


Thus far all you have convinced me of is that you truly do not understand climate change and you are nothing more than an ignorant sheepeople bleeding "Ba Ba Denier ,.... Ba Ba Denier"

Now answer the damn questions or get lost
 
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