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Thread: Amidst Global Warming Hysteria, NASA Expects Global Cooling

  1. #529
    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    Yes.

    AMOC slowdown.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...n-1-600-years/

    The problem is that this is one of the mechanisms that's been linked to massive and sudden climate change in the past.
    http://www.tunisiesoir.com/science/r...ze-15170-2019/
    https://www.earth.com/news/slowdown-...lation-system/
    Wait, these articles predict a mini ice-age.
    And werent you laughing at Porn Addict for saying we might enter a mini ice-age soon??
    You dont even know what bullshit you write anymore, Frankie.

    Right from your articles:

    A million years ago, a longtime pattern of alternating glaciations and warm periods dramatically changed, when ice ages suddenly became longer and more intense. Scientists have long suspected that this was connected to the slowdown of a key Atlantic Ocean current system that today once again is slowing
    The two studies came to broadly similar conclusions: The AMOC is in a very weakened state—the most anemic it has been in the last 1,600 years, according to Thornalley’s results.

    The studies differ on the timing of when that weakening began. Thornalley’s record, which spans those 1,600 years, suggests it started at the end of the little ice age, a period from about A.D. 1350 to 1850, when solar and volcanic influences depressed temperatures across the Northern Hemisphere and glaciers and ice sheets expanded

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    Yes.

    AMOC slowdown.

    https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...n-1-600-years/

    The problem is that this is one of the mechanisms that's been linked to massive and sudden climate change in the past.
    http://www.tunisiesoir.com/science/r...ze-15170-2019/
    https://www.earth.com/news/slowdown-...lation-system/
    Without clicking on the link let me guess - they are blaming this slowdown on increased co2 in the atmosphere. Too predictable.
    Truth is that scientists know relatively little about the oceans and their effect on climate. Prior to 21st century we didn't even have accurate temperature measurements. That lack of knowledge renders the GCM's futile in their predictive ability.
    But maybe it can explain why there is a rapid increase in North Atlantic sea turtles being cold stunned off the coast of New England the past few years? Perhaps the waters of the tropical Atlantic are not as warm as they used to be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by K Douglas View Post
    Without clicking on the link let me guess - they are blaming this slowdown on increased co2 in the atmosphere. Too predictable.
    Truth is that scientists know relatively little about the oceans and their effect on climate. Prior to 21st century we didn't even have accurate temperature measurements. That lack of knowledge renders the GCM's futile in their predictive ability.
    But maybe it can explain why there is a rapid increase in North Atlantic sea turtles being cold stunned off the coast of New England the past few years? Perhaps the waters of the tropical Atlantic are not as warm as they used to be?
    Gotta love the gall of someone who refuses to find out the basics of a subject then accuses others of knowing very little.
    Well done, Kirk, you've really established the quality of your expertise.

  4. #532
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil C. McNasty View Post
    Heavy rain and snow tonight, with a low of 3C: https://www.accuweather.com/en/ca/to...st/55488?day=1

    2cm of snow possible tomorrow, and a low of 1C: https://www.accuweather.com/en/ca/to...st/55488?day=2

    But yeah, global warming
    Still having trouble with the difference between weather and climate?

    BTW: The February 2019 global land and ocean surface temperature was the fifth highest for February in the 140-year record at 0.79C (1.42F) above the 20th century average.
    https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201902

    While we were 3 C below average, Alaska, Russia, and Europe were 4 C above average and the Southern Hemisphere was 2.5 C above.

  5. #533
    Quote Originally Posted by basketcase View Post
    Still having trouble with the difference between weather and climate?
    I was doing great until Frankie showed up with his AMOC slowdown theory.

    So now he's claiming earth is warming up, but AMOC is actually slowing climate down and causing a cooling effect, which in turn might cause a mini ice-age (the very thing he was mocking Porn Addict for).

    I couldnt make this shit up if I tried

  6. #534
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil C. McNasty View Post
    I was doing great until Frankie showed up with his AMOC slowdown theory.

    So now he's claiming earth is warming up, but AMOC is actually slowing climate down and causing a cooling effect, which in turn might cause a mini ice-age (the very thing he was mocking Porn Addict for).

    I couldnt make this shit up if I tried
    Science is hard for you, isn't it Phil.
    Its hard to understand that the climate can change, that its getting warming but we also risk, at the same time, stopping a mechanism that spreads the warmth around the Northern Hemisphere/Atlantic Ocean.

    What its doing right now is keeping us in one of the few spots on the planet that hasn't been warming up as equally as the rest of the planet.




    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...stream-system/

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    Quote Originally Posted by basketcase View Post
    Still having trouble with the difference between weather and climate?

    BTW: The February 2019 global land and ocean surface temperature was the fifth highest for February in the 140-year record at 0.79C (1.42F) above the 20th century average.
    https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201902

    While we were 3 C below average, Alaska, Russia, and Europe were 4 C above average and the Southern Hemisphere was 2.5 C above.
    In contrast, the UAH global temperature anomaly for Jan was 0.37C, Feb 0.36C and Mar 0.34C based on the 1981-2010 mean.
    http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    Science is hard for you, isn't it Phil.
    Its hard to understand that the climate can change, that its getting warming but we also risk, at the same time, stopping a mechanism that spreads the warmth around the Northern Hemisphere/Atlantic Ocean.

    What its doing right now is keeping us in one of the few spots on the planet that hasn't been warming up as equally as the rest of the planet.




    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...stream-system/
    The fact that they are using the 1951-1980 average as a baseline completely undermines their credibility as far as I'm concerned.

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  9. #537
    Quote Originally Posted by K Douglas View Post
    In contrast, the UAH global temperature anomaly for Jan was 0.37C, Feb 0.36C and Mar 0.34C based on the 1981-2010 mean.
    http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/
    Atmospheric temperatures again, kirk.

    I know your home in the clouds is lovely and all, but the rest of us live on the surface of the planet which is why we all talk about surface temperatures, not the temp in the clouds.
    Carry on.

  10. #538
    Quote Originally Posted by K Douglas View Post
    The fact that they are using the 1951-1980 average as a baseline completely undermines their credibility as far as I'm concerned.
    Why?

  11. #539
    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    Atmospheric temperatures again, kirk.

    I know your home in the clouds is lovely and all, but the rest of us live on the surface of the planet which is why we all talk about surface temperatures, not the temp in the clouds.
    Carry on.
    You're joking right?

  12. #540
    Quote Originally Posted by Fathammer View Post
    You're joking right?
    Click on Kirk Douglas' chart and tell me if I'm joking or not.

  13. #541
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil C. McNasty View Post
    I was doing great until Frankie showed up with his AMOC slowdown theory.

    So now he's claiming earth is warming up, but AMOC is actually slowing climate down and causing a cooling effect, which in turn might cause a mini ice-age (the very thing he was mocking Porn Addict for).

    I couldnt make this shit up if I tried
    A very LOCALIZED cooling effect that also results in significant WARMING for other regions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K Douglas View Post
    In contrast, the UAH global temperature anomaly for Jan was 0.37C, Feb 0.36C and Mar 0.34C based on the 1981-2010 mean.
    http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/
    Let me know when you plan to start living and growing food in the upper atmosphere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    Atmospheric temperatures again, kirk.

    I know your home in the clouds is lovely and all, but the rest of us live on the surface of the planet which is why we all talk about surface temperatures, not the temp in the clouds.
    Carry on.
    It's the only true measure of global temperature. The surface temperature record is not a global measurement. Nothing in the mountains. Nothing in the deserts. Nothing in the forests. Very little in the oceans. All it is is an average of weather station records located in densely populated urban areas. Not properly adjusted for the urban heat island effect. And data that doesn't fit their narrative is ignored and replaced with computer model simulated guesstimates. It's a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by basketcase View Post
    Let me know when you plan to start living and growing food in the upper atmosphere.
    Is it really your contention that warmer temperatures and more atmospheric co2 is bad for plant growth and crop yields?

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  17. #545
    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    Science is hard for you, isn't it Phil.
    Its hard to understand that the climate can change, that its getting warming but we also risk, at the same time, stopping a mechanism that spreads the warmth around the Northern Hemisphere/Atlantic Ocean.

    What its doing right now is keeping us in one of the few spots on the planet that hasn't been warming up as equally as the rest of the planet.




    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...stream-system/
    The problem with your graph is it shows the Southern Ontario area as being warmer, when it clearly isnt getting warmer here

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    Quote Originally Posted by K Douglas View Post
    It's the only true measure of global temperature. The surface temperature record is not a global measurement. Nothing in the mountains. Nothing in the deserts. Nothing in the forests. Very little in the oceans. All it is is an average of weather station records located in densely populated urban areas. Not properly adjusted for the urban heat island effect. And data that doesn't fit their narrative is ignored and replaced with computer model simulated guesstimates. It's a joke.
    That's an incredibly stupid and wrong statement.
    Of course surface temps are recorded around the planet and incorporate ocean temps.

    You're just trying a really bad bait and switch here, trying to replace the surface temps, where we live and grow our food, with measurements in the clouds.
    What next, are you going to use the temperatures in the outer atmosphere or in space where they show absolutely no increases?

  19. #547
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil C. McNasty View Post
    The problem with your graph is it shows the Southern Ontario area as being warmer, when it clearly isnt getting warmer here
    Using your own confirmation bias and personal opinions to complain about solid measurements is pretty sad, Phil.

  20. #548
    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    Using your own confirmation bias and personal opinions to complain about solid measurements is pretty sad, Phil
    That doesnt change the fact your stupid map shows S. Ontario warming up, when clearly it isnt.
    Your words exactly below:

    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    AMOC slowdown.

    That's the big worry and the most likely reason why the east coast and us are experiencing lower temperatures
    Your map shows Toronto warming, not cooling. It was +2 Celsius when I woke up this morning....LOL.

    You dont even know what you write anymore, Frankfoot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frankfooter View Post
    That's an incredibly stupid and wrong statement.
    Of course surface temps are recorded around the planet and incorporate ocean temps.

    You're just trying a really bad bait and switch here, trying to replace the surface temps, where we live and grow our food, with measurements in the clouds.
    What next, are you going to use the temperatures in the outer atmosphere or in space where they show absolutely no increases?
    Tell me specifically what is wrong with my statement? Are there weather station(s) in the Sahara Desert? In the Himalayan mountains? In the Amazon rain forest? In the Canadian Arctic there is 1 weather station in Eureka. 1 weather station for a land mass that is greater than the continental United States! How many weather buoys are in the oceans which comprise 70% of the planet? It's an absolute joke to say that we have an accurate surface temperature record today, let alone in 1950 or in 1900. Yet we have idiots who want to de carbonise the planet using this shitty data. They want us to go back to living in caves. Fucking twats.

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    I heard a funny statement on the news last night.

    They said the Arctic is at its warmest in 10,000 years!!! LMAO!!!https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north...ears-1.5094392

    I didnt know we recorded temps let alone in the Arctic 10,000 years ago!! LMAO!!!

    You doomsdayers must have eaten up that bullshit all night?!! USE YOUR HEADS!!!

  23. #551
    Quote Originally Posted by K Douglas View Post
    Tell me specifically what is wrong with my statement? Are there weather station(s) in the Sahara Desert? In the Himalayan mountains? In the Amazon rain forest? In the Canadian Arctic there is 1 weather station in Eureka. 1 weather station for a land mass that is greater than the continental United States! How many weather buoys are in the oceans which comprise 70% of the planet? It's an absolute joke to say that we have an accurate surface temperature record today, let alone in 1950 or in 1900. Yet we have idiots who want to de carbonise the planet using this shitty data. They want us to go back to living in caves. Fucking twats.

    We live on the surface and we grow our food on the surface.
    Not in the clouds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fathammer View Post
    I heard a funny statement on the news last night.

    They said the Arctic is at its warmest in 10,000 years!!! LMAO!!!https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north...ears-1.5094392

    I didnt know we recorded temps let alone in the Arctic 10,000 years ago!! LMAO!!!

    You doomsdayers must have eaten up that bullshit all night?!! USE YOUR HEADS!!!
    I think you've been using your head to open bottles of beers and heavy doors again.

    We present a ~13.6 ka summer temperature reconstruction in central Yukon, part of Eastern Beringia, using precipitation isotopes in syngenetic permafrost. The reconstruction shows that early Holocene summers were consistently warmer than the Holocene mean, as supported by midges, and a thermal maximum at ~7.6–6.6 ka BP. This maximum was followed by a ~6 ka cooling, and later abruptly reversed by industrial-era warming leading to a modern climate that is unprecedented in the Holocene context and exceeds the Holocene thermal maximum by +1.7  0.7 C.
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-09622-y

    You wanna tell us what's wrong with that study?

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