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Amidst Global Warming Hysteria, NASA Expects Global Cooling

Frankfooter

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http://science.sciencemag.org/content/299/5613/1728.abstract

Timing of Atmospheric CO2 and Antarctic Temperature Changes Across Termination III


The sequence of events during Termination III suggests that the CO2 increase lagged Antarctic deglacial warming by 800 ± 200 years and preceded the Northern Hemisphere deglaciation.
Do you even read the links you copy?
From the abstract:
The analysis of air bubbles from ice cores has yielded a precise record of atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations, but the timing of changes in these gases with respect to temperature is not accurately known because of uncertainty in the gas age–ice age difference.
You're still playing checkers and calling check mate.
 

JohnLarue

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Yes true, from the head of Berkely Earth Science.
And yes, the relationship is logarithmic, but what you describe is exponential.



So you think turning the planet into a giant greenhouse would be good?
That's pretty crazy.
You are drawing a false conclusion
The author stated
Also there are not enough carbons to burn to take us even to 1,000 ppm.
And your response is "he wants to turn the planet into a giant greenhouse" Which is absurd and a complete misrepresentation of what the author stated
How can he want to turn the plant into a giant greenhouse if he has already stated that is physically impossible to do

BTW the room you are sitting now likely has a CO2 level a lot closer to 1,000 ppm than the 350 ppm outside

Your lack of critical thinking (any thinking) is once again on display
 

Frankfooter

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You are drawing a false conclusion
No larue, kirk said he thought turning the world's climate into a 1000 ppm CO2 greenhouse would be a good thing.
Too bad because I would say that 1,000 ppm would be an optimal level of atmospheric CO2. That's what they pump into greenhouses to help plants grow faster.
As for the 1000 ppm projection, that is possible.
What you don't understand, amongst so many things, is that feedback mechanisms in the climate mean that warming areas like the permafrost also means releasing carbon trapped there into the atmosphere.

 

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BTW the room you are sitting now likely has a CO2 level a lot closer to 1,000 ppm than the 350 ppm outside
Not that I disagree with you, but how is that exactly??
Because of you and family exhaling CO2's??
 

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Do you really????
You take issue with me not agreeing with you! ...
No, I take issue with you claiming to be scientific while ignoring the conclusions of the vast majority of the scientific community.

And yes, if you keep trying to claim a weatherman with no academic credentials as a scientific source while ignoring actual scientists, the only description of you is a denier.
 

JohnLarue

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No larue, kirk said he thought turning the world's climate into a 1000 ppm CO2 greenhouse would be a good thing.
Right after he said it was not possible to do

So you mis-represent him and then you try to discredit him
That is all you do and it is the only thing you. Attack peoples character and you somehow think that settles a scientific question?
 

K Douglas

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Yes true, from the head of Berkely Earth Science.
And yes, the relationship is logarithmic, but what you describe is exponential.



So you think turning the planet into a giant greenhouse would be good?
That's pretty crazy.
No what I am describing is logarithmic, look again. What you are describing is linear: 2.3°C for every doubling of co2. Which is of course is plain wrong.
 

JohnLarue

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No, I take issue with you claiming to be scientific while ignoring the conclusions of the vast majority of the scientific community.
Again, a scientific hypothesis is not determined by a poll
This should have been taught to you in grade 9 & 10 science class

And yes, if you keep trying to claim a weatherman with no academic credentials as a scientific source while ignoring actual scientists, the only description of you is a denier.
1. I am not ignoring actual scientists I have provided examples of many scientists and their conclusions along with links & graphs they have produced
What you have issue with is you believe I have ignored your prefered scientists

BTW that is not true. Mann, Gavin Schmidt & many others make compelling arguments.
After all how could one make an intelligent determination if one only listened to one side of the story?
BTW Have you read Anthony Watts report ? I would assume you had if you presume to belittle him
What did you think of it? Did you like the pictures? They speak a thousand words

2. Re: The meteorologist. Anthony watts. He & his volunteers took the pictures & he understands the citing standards and why they exist
Do you deny a "weather man is capable of taking pictures and understanding the citing standards"
More importantly do you deny there is a issue with the input data collection for possibly the most important experiment mankind has ever conducted ?
Or are you going to pretend or deny any issues exist because someone told you the debate was over?

The term denier implies a moral superiority or authority you simply do not have
Particularly when it is a scientific hypothesis in question
 

Frankfooter

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Right after he said it was not possible to do

So you mis-represent him and then you try to discredit him
That is all you do and it is the only thing you. Attack peoples character and you somehow think that settles a scientific question?
Kirk said this:
Also there are not enough carbons to burn to take us even to 1,000 ppm
If we burn all fossil fuels available it could eventually lead to levels around 2,000 ppm.
https://www.ecowatch.com/burning-al...17-c-rise-in-arctic-temperatu-1891141305.html
 

K Douglas

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You are drawing a false conclusion
The author stated

And your response is "he wants to turn the planet into a giant greenhouse" Which is absurd and a complete misrepresentation of what the author stated
How can he want to turn the plant into a giant greenhouse if he has already stated that is physically impossible to do

BTW the room you are sitting now likely has a CO2 level a lot closer to 1,000 ppm than the 350 ppm outside

Your lack of critical thinking (any thinking) is once again on display
He's an extreme left zealot therefore he has no clue of the concept of critical thought. No different than many of the brain dead lemmings enrolled in university liberal arts programs today.
 

Frankfooter

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Again, a scientific hypothesis is not determined by a poll
No , its proven through making predictions based on the hypothesis and measuring the results.
And after 40 years of predictions no other credible alternate hypothesis has come out.

Nothing.

There is no other hypothesis to explain the warming of the planet we are experiencing other than anthropomorphic causation.

Nada.

You got nothing.

Zilch.
 

JohnLarue

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Not that I disagree with you, but how is that exactly??
Because of you and family exhaling CO2's??
Yes
https://www.google.com/search?q=roo...e..69i57j0.11066j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Carbon dioxide levels and potential health problems are indicated below: 250-350 ppm: background (normal) outdoor air level. 350-1,000 ppm: typical level found in occupied spaces with good air exchange. 1,000-2,000 ppm: level associated with complaints of drowsiness and poor air.
 

JohnLarue

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No , its proven through making predictions based on the hypothesis and measuring the results.
And the reults are coming up short of the predictions

And after 40 years of predictions no other credible alternate hypothesis has come out.
There are tons of them including, climate has always changed and is expected to continue to change


Nothing.

There is no other hypothesis to explain the warming of the planet we are experiencing other than anthropomorphic causation.

Nada.
Absolutely false
Natural variability is a perfectly conceivable alternative hypothesis, particularly when the scientific understanding of how oceans impact climate is so incomplete
Can you accurately describe and quantify differential net CO2 absorption by plants vs the oceans vs. mountains over varying temperatures ..... on a global scale?
If you can do that then you may be able to prove a Natural variability hypothesis invalid.
But alas you can not calculate a weighted average so the CO2 adsorption experiment might be a challenge for you

You got nothing.
Zilch.
And what did all your character assignations get you?
Further confirmation of what you really are and how little you understand about science
 

Frankfooter

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And the reults are coming up short of the predictions
Nope, the predictions are really quite fucking good!
From the head of NASA's GISS program.
As repeatedly proved by this chart.






Absolutely false
Natural variability is a perfectly conceivable alternative hypothesis, particularly when the scientific understanding of how oceans impact climate is so incomplete
Can you accurately describe and quantify differential net CO2 absorption by plants vs the oceans vs. mountains over varying temperatures ..... on a global scale?
If you can do that then you may be able to prove a Natural variability hypothesis invalid.
Absolutely false.
There is zero evidence to show that 'natural variability' could possibly be responsible for the 0.8ºC warming the planet has experienced recently.

Here's a chart posted by Bloomberg, with data from NASA.
I know its got animation, but no, its not a cartoon.
It shows all the possible 'natural' causes that could warm the planet and how much they really are warming the planet.

What's really warming the world?

That leaves you back at:

Zero

Zilch

No idea

Nothing
 

Frankfooter

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As a bonus, larue, lets take a look at Wallace Broecker's projections from 1975.
He's known as the godfather of global warming, for first coining the term and making the first connections.
Sadly he just died.
'Grandfather of climate science' dead at 87

In 1975, before there was any computer modelling, he made this projection:



Considering we're now at 0.8ºC and he predicted this 40 years ago before much was known, that's pretty outstanding.
Certainly beats every single prediction from your deniers!
 

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https://buffalonews.com/2019/02/18/...of-snow-so-far-this-winter-with-more-to-come/

And those climate bedwetters were telling us snow would be a thing of the past. Tell that to the folks in Buffalo. There's a fair probability Buffalo sees it's highest snowfall since the winter of 2001/2002.
Welcome to the new abnormal, Kirk.

How climate change can make catastrophic weather systems linger for longer
Many parts of Australia have suffered a run of severe and, in some cases, unprecedented weather events this summer. One common feature of many of these events – including the Tasmanian heatwave and the devastating Townsville floods – was that they were caused by weather systems that parked themselves in one place for days or weeks on end.

It all began with a blocking high – so-called because it blocks the progress of other nearby weather systems – in the Tasman Sea throughout January and early February.

This system prevented rain-bearing cold fronts from moving across Tasmania, and led to prolonged hot dry northwesterly winds, below-average rainfall and scorching temperatures.


Meanwhile, to the north, an intense monsoon low sat stationary over northwest Queensland for 10 days. It was fed on its northeastern flank by extremely saturated northwesterly winds from Indonesia, which converged over the greater northeast Queensland area with strong moist trade winds from the Coral Sea, forming a “convergence zone”.

Ironically, these trade winds originated from the northern flank of the blocking high in the Tasman, deluging Queensland while leaving the island state parched.

Unusually prolonged

Convergence zones along the monsoon trough are not uncommon during the wet season, from December to March. But it is extremely rare for a stationary convergence zone to persist for more than a week.

Could this pattern conceivably be linked to global climate change? Are we witnessing a slowing of our weather systems as well as more extreme weather?

There does seem to be a plausible link between human-induced warming, slowing of jet streams, blocking highs, and extreme weather around the world. The recent Tasman Sea blocking high can be added to that list, along with other blocking highs that caused unprecedented wildfires in California and an extreme heatwave in Europe last year.

There is also a trend for the slowing of the forward speed (as opposed to wind speed) of tropical cyclones around the world. One recent study showed the average forward speeds of tropical cyclones fell by 10% worldwide between 1949 and 2016. Meanwhile, over the same period, the forward speed of tropical cyclones dropped by 22% over land in the Australian region.

Climate change is expected to weaken the world’s circulatory winds due to greater warming in high latitudes compared with the tropics, causing a slowing of the speed at which tropical cyclones move forward.

Obviously, if tropical cyclones are moving more slowly, this can leave particular regions bearing the brunt of the rainfall. In 2017, Houston and surrounding parts of Texas received unprecedented rainfall associated with the “stalling” of Hurricane Harvey.
https://theconversation.com/how-cli...phic-weather-systems-linger-for-longer-111832

The full article is worth the read.
Its also worth remembering how recent this polar vortex business started coming up.
 

JohnLarue

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Nope, the predictions are really quite fucking good!
From the head of NASA's GISS program.
As repeatedly proved by this chart.
yes we have seen you chart many times
And I showed a different chart many times showing the atmosphere is not heating up anywhere near as fast
And I showed you serious issues with the surface data collection

If you at all understood the greenhouse gas hypothesis you would know that it does not hold together without detecting a hot layer in the atmosphere or a rate of change in atmospheric temperature as the surface

Ask a different scientist


There is zero evidence to show that 'natural variability' could possibly be responsible for the 0.8ºC warming the planet has experienced recently.
You are to dense to believe
If you could properly quantify natural variability you could specify exactly what mans impact is on the rising temperature & you cant
Unless you want to claim all of it despite knowing climate has been changing for 4.5 B years before man.


Can you accurately describe and quantify differential net CO2 absorption by plants vs the oceans vs. mountains over varying temperatures ..... on a global scale?
 
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