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Did Canada backstab Trump (G7 summit) and China (Huawei)?

bornonaug9

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Is it a coincidence that Trump's aides and Chinese ambassador call Trudeau a backstabber?

Facing the same situation on the pipeline, dealing with oil and gas industry, First Nations and green activists.

Trying to be all things to all people.
 

bver_hunter

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Where does it mention anything about Trump's aides referring to Canada as "backstabbing", especially as this arrest was at the request of the FBI?

We have to take anything that China says with regards to "justice" with a pinch of salt, as they are not a model for any human rights. The arrest of 2 Canadians, and the death sentence to an existing Canadian held for drug smuggling charges, hardly warrants anything of true "justice" when it applies to China!!

But trying to build a pipeline to transport the "dirty" oil sands crude has been a challenge from the start of this century. We have had three tenures of a Harper administration and he failed to deliver on that pledge of his. Why should this now be of the biggest concern in trying to get this pipeline built, and then held up by the Supreme Court Justice?
 

bver_hunter

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Please read my title . Two seperate events. The backstab from Trump's aide comment is from the G7 Summit.
Yes, you did mention it. But why are the USA not coming to Canada's defence in the arrest of this Chinese individual especially as it was done at the FBI's request? Is that not "backstabbing" Canada in this respect. They already did so with the whole Saudi affair. So again take these comments with a pinch of salt!!
 

bornonaug9

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Y But why are the USA not coming to Canada's defence in the arrest of this Chinese individual especially as it was done at the FBI's request? Is that not "backstabbing" Canada in this respect. They already did so with the whole Saudi affair. So again take these comments with a pinch of salt!!
"America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests." Henry Kissinger: The White House Years, quoted from Dinesh D'Souza: What's so great about America.

This echoes Lord Palmerston's words: "We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual".
 

bver_hunter

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"America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests." Henry Kissinger: The White House Years, quoted from Dinesh D'Souza: What's so great about America.

This echoes Lord Palmerston's words: "We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual".
Then why is it a concern that the American diplomats are being quoted as saying that Canada "backstabbed" Trump, if they do not consider Canada as a friend but only as an "interest"??
 

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Both china and trump think Kim Jong Un is a good leader, a strong leader, and a great guy. Does that mean it is true?
 

bver_hunter

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Both china and trump think Kim Jong Un is a good leader, a strong leader, and a great guy. Does that mean it is true?
Do not forget the Trump base on this Board as well who will also think that Kim Jong Un is a Great Guy, because Trump said so.
 

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The one who stabbed Trump in the back was John Bolton.

While Trump was face to face meeting with Xi JingPing in Buenos Aires, negociating a truce of the tit-for-tat sanctions, Bolton failed to tell Trump of the arrest at the request of the US, of the Huawei executive.

Trump was apparently livid when he found out, as it made him appear to the Chinese to be dealing in bad faith.

Bolton and Trump have different agendas. In short, Trump wants to disengage the US out of foreign wars and nation building, whereas Bolton wants to keep them going in order to feed the US Military Industrial Complex. After Trump announced that he was pulling US forces out of Syria, Bolton goes round Trump's back undoing it.
 

essguy_

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LOL.

Let’s look back at the G7 “backstab”. Cadet Bone Spurs disrupts the meeting, leaves then whines like a coward via Twitter after the fact when a joint communique is released. Then he has Kudlow and Navarro go on tv to insult our PM. (Kudlow on CNN and Navarro on Fox). Kudlow then went on a bender and wasn’t seen for weeks (it was called a “heart attack, but was likely a return to alcohol and cocaine to dull the pain of having to do Trump (the coward’s) dirty work). Navarro went a step further and talked about a “special place in Hell” - an over the top insult for which he later apologized. Remember, this is the US, talking about their most loyal ally’s elected leader.

What did Trudeau do to start this Trump hissy fit? In the press conference he called the section 232 Aluminum and Steel Tariffs “insulting”. And they are. Using a National Security excuse to impose tariffs on a country that has been the US’s longest, most reliable ally, and long time economic partner IS insulting. Even more so when he later gave exemptions to South Korea, Brazil, Argentina, and Chile. You have to really wonder about any Canadian who would cheer Trump in any of this. We as a country have spilled blood fighting alongside the US and our ties run very deep. It’s really a shame that some Canadians would cheer a guy like Trump simply because they hate Trudeau. Even Doug Ford had the backbone to put partisan differences aside and stand with.
 

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She really should be extradited to the US to let Trump deal with the fallout instead of Canada.
 

bver_hunter

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LOL.

Let’s look back at the G7 “backstab”. Cadet Bone Spurs disrupts the meeting, leaves then whines like a coward via Twitter after the fact when a joint communique is released. Then he has Kudlow and Navarro go on tv to insult our PM. (Kudlow on CNN and Navarro on Fox). Kudlow then went on a bender and wasn’t seen for weeks (it was called a “heart attack, but was likely a return to alcohol and cocaine to dull the pain of having to do Trump (the coward’s) dirty work). Navarro went a step further and talked about a “special place in Hell” - an over the top insult for which he later apologized. Remember, this is the US, talking about their most loyal ally’s elected leader.

What did Trudeau do to start this Trump hissy fit? In the press conference he called the section 232 Aluminum and Steel Tariffs “insulting”. And they are. Using a National Security excuse to impose tariffs on a country that has been the US’s longest, most reliable ally, and long time economic partner IS insulting. Even more so when he later gave exemptions to South Korea, Brazil, Argentina, and Chile. You have to really wonder about any Canadian who would cheer Trump in any of this. We as a country have spilled blood fighting alongside the US and our ties run very deep. It’s really a shame that some Canadians would cheer a guy like Trump simply because they hate Trudeau. Even Doug Ford had the backbone to put partisan differences aside and stand with.
Trump's cult followers even on this board will cheer for Trump irrespective of the tariffs and other trade barriers that he inflicts on the Canadians in the most insulting manner, by stating that it is for "security purposes". I guess he thinks that his Trade "Barriers" are something like a Trade "Wall" that will keep his people safe from us evil Canadians. Hope the Democrats continue to stick to their guns and not yield to his Wall that were supposed to be paid for by the Mexicans!!
 

essguy_

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Kudlow was supposed to be the voice of sanity and moderation and a foil to that dangerous kook, Navarro. But then, Larry has always been a supreme kissass cheerleader, he’s not a trained economist and only got the top economist’s job at Bear because of connections. Terrible forecasting record. Larry was an unabashed free trader, until he joined Trump’s team.

The so called “backstab” was totally fabricated by Trump, the snowflake coward with the parchment paper thin skin - so easily wounded. He had the nerve to characterize Canada’s response to tariffs imposed by Trump (as if Canada was an enemy) as a “backstab” and idiot kissass Kudlow called it a “betrayal”. LOL. It’s not a betrayal to call being treated as an enemy “insulting”.

Here’s Kudlow - shaking his jowls like Nixon as he’s whining about “betrayal”. For a supposed “free trader” to basically swallow whatever pride he had to do Cadet Bone Spur’s dirty work must have stung enough that Larry sought the relief of a quick snort after humiliating himself. That’s why he disappeared for a few weeks. At least, that’s what I suspect. If it WAS a heart attack, perhaps next time - Larry should head towards the light.


 

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"America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests." Henry Kissinger: The White House Years, quoted from Dinesh D'Souza: What's so great about America.

This echoes Lord Palmerston's words: "We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual".
That is also wrong, US interests change all the time, that is why friends become enemies.
 

wilbur

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That is also wrong, US interests change all the time, that is why friends become enemies.
That's exactly what he said.

The consensus seems to be that the US doesn't treat Canada as a friend, when they insult the PM (regardless of what opinion we should have on him), and slaps import tariffs to teach us a lesson. In turn, Canada's foreign policy seems to be, without question, to presume that the US is our greatest friend. We look like some lackey running behind the bully.

So why is Canada ruining its trade relations with China because we unquestionably do the US's dirty work while they treat us like shit, or rather, no compensating benefit from the US for screwing up our trade with China?

Canada's diplomacy is certainly immature when it fails to heed the advice of quite a few past statesmen:

That States don't have friends; they have interests (Churchill, DeGaulle)
That countries have no permanent friends, nor permanent enemies, just permanent interests (Palmerston, Kissinger)

That's what you get for appointing cabinet members based on their XX chomosomes, in a diminishing gene pool. Elevating people to their highest level of incompetence.
 

bornonaug9

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That is also wrong, US interests change all the time, that is why friends become enemies.
My understanding is the interest will defines whether friends or enemies and it case by case. It should read "friends only if they align with your interest".
 

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Countries don’t have friends, they have interests. When interests align you have alliances. It’s not that hard to understand.

Canadians seem to feel the US should give them preferential treatment because they feed off the US economy.... your the UKs dominion, not ours.
 
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