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What an idiot. Interesting there was no mention of how he got home after consuming “several alcoholic beverages.” Did he drive?
 
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How about this one,
https://toronto.citynews.ca/2013/01/16/rcmp-officers-gun-and-badge-stolen/amp/

RCMP officer’s gun and badge stolen
The theft took place at the Howard Johnson Hotel in Brampton.
Jan 16, 2013 News Staff
Peel police are investigating after a knapsack containing an RCMP officer’s gun was stolen.

The nylon bag also contained ammunition, pepper spray, an expandable baton and handcuffs as well as the officer’s personal wallet and badge.

The gun is described as a silver Smith and Wesson 9mm handgun, stamped with the RCMP logo.

Police say the theft took place as the Howard Johnson Hotel on Queen Street in Brampton around 2:30 p.m. Wednesday.

The officer was on duty at the time of the theft. Police believe it was a crime of opportunity and not a targeted distraction theft.

The bag is described as a beige Merrel Territory Knapsack.



Resulted in no charges, the bag was left as the officer went for a smoke.
 
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Wow, this story really does highlight the 'Do as we say not as we do' attitude.
1 - It is very rare for a cop to be allowed to carry a service issued firearm outside of duty. Their service firearm should be checked in at the station at the end of their shift. If they want their own firearms they have to acquire a PAL by attending the CFSC, passing the exam and satisfying the application requirements like any other Canadian.
2 - A police service semi-automatic is prohibited under the PAL as they have magazines with a greater capacity than 10 rounds (At least according to officers I have talked to). Furthermore being 'in a cooler' does not satisfy transport requirements for handguns assuming it was not prohibited and legitimate.
3 - To transport it he would need an ATT (Authorisation to Transport) - basically permission to transport the firearm between two defined geographical points 'By the most reasonable direct route'. Certainly doesn't cover a stop at the bar.

If any regular law abiding Canadian firearms owner had been caught doing that the book would have been thrown at them.
 
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"Police officers who are criminally charged automatically face a professional misconduct charge under Ontario’s Police Services Act"

This sentence from the article bothers me. IF I am interpreting it right, our service men and women are subject to different laws and regulations than the rest of us. I can understand while on duty but when your off duty and are in "civilian" mode.?. Unless it is a gross misconduct, such as the incident in Oshawa where the cops beat and blinded in one eye the black kid in 2017, they seem to have their own laws where the penalties are not as serious as they would be for a private law abiding citizen who would make the same mistake.

Don't get me wrong. I would advocate that our officers should be allowed to carry while off duty in a responsible manor in order to extend the duty of protection of society and citizen. But when blatant irresponsibility is shown, should they not be accountable like the rest of us?

"3 - To transport it he would need an ATT (Authorisation to Transport) - basically permission to transport the firearm between two defined geographical points 'By the most reasonable direct route'. Certainly doesn't cover a stop at the bar."

Since Harpers common sense rule passed (which was a good thing) the ATT requirements have been changed. Now an ATT is required when some one moves from one registered address to another. You get a 24hr ATT. Other than that, the only other time you need an ATT is after you purchase a firearm, your background and license is checked over a few days, and given the go ahead from the RCMP to take the newly purchased fire arm to your home. I might be wrong on this one, some one correct me if I am please.
You do not need an ATT to transport your fire arms to a gun club, any club not just the one you belong to, a gun store for service or any registered gun smith. You are allowed to stop in to a store to pick up some items or stop in for breakfast along your way to the club AS LONG as your fire arms are properly stored and locked in your vehicle. Evidently this was not the case with this officer.
 
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avg guy said:
"3 - To transport it he would need an ATT (Authorisation to Transport) - basically permission to transport the firearm between two defined geographical points 'By the most reasonable direct route'. Certainly doesn't cover a stop at the bar."

Since Harpers common sense rule passed (which was a good thing) the ATT requirements have been changed. Now an ATT is required when some one moves from one registered address to another. You get a 24hr ATT. Other than that, the only other time you need an ATT is after you purchase a firearm, your background and license is checked over a few days, and given the go ahead from the RCMP to take the newly purchased fire arm to your home. I might be wrong on this one, some one correct me if I am please.
You do not need an ATT to transport your fire arms to a gun club, any club not just the one you belong to, a gun store for service or any registered gun smith. You are allowed to stop in to a store to pick up some items or stop in for breakfast along your way to the club AS LONG as your fire arms are properly stored and locked in your vehicle. Evidently this was not the case with this officer.
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The ATT is incorporated into the PAL, that is until C-71 comes into effect. But the conditions of the ATT have not changed as far as going from point A (home) to point B (range, gunsmith, US border): you have to take the most direct route, and unless you're driving long distance, say Toronto to Thunder bay, you're not allowed to take a detour and stop and go shopping along the way.

So if you're stopped by the cops for any reason, and it's apparent that you have restricted firearms, you better come up with something quick if you did take a detour to shop at Wal-Mart. Imagine you got into a car accident while not on the most direct route, and your car is not roadworthy and going to get towed away by the insurance. Are you gonna just gingerly get your cased handguns from the trunk in full view of the cops? I guess you'll have to unless you want to get charged with careless transportation/storage in addition by letting the tow truck drive off with your guns.
 
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wilbur said:
The ATT is incorporated into the PAL, that is until C-71 comes into effect. But the conditions of the ATT have not changed as far as going from point A (home) to point B (range, gunsmith, US border): you have to take the most direct route, and unless you're driving long distance, say Toronto to Thunder bay, you're not allowed to take a detour and stop and go shopping along the way.
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And to add to that the incorporated electronic ATT referred to here is only attached to your PAL once you register ownership of a restricted firearm and only covers restricted firearms registered to you.
 
GameBoy27

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TheDr said:
Wow, this story really does highlight the 'Do as we say not as we do' attitude.
1 - It is very rare for a cop to be allowed to carry a service issued firearm outside of duty. Their service firearm should be checked in at the station at the end of their shift. If they want their own firearms they have to acquire a PAL by attending the CFSC, passing the exam and satisfying the application requirements like any other Canadian.
2 - A police service semi-automatic is prohibited under the PAL as they have magazines with a greater capacity than 10 rounds (At least according to officers I have talked to). Furthermore being 'in a cooler' does not satisfy transport requirements for handguns assuming it was not prohibited and legitimate.
3 - To transport it he would need an ATT (Authorisation to Transport) - basically permission to transport the firearm between two defined geographical points 'By the most reasonable direct route'. Certainly doesn't cover a stop at the bar.

If any regular law abiding Canadian firearms owner had been caught doing that the book would have been thrown at them.
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That's why gang members don't get a PAL. They get off easier without one!
 
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