Canadian Sentenced to Death

China normally executes drug smugglers.

He got 15 years because when he was originally sentenced, Canada's relations with China were friendly.

Fast forward to when Canada slapped China in the face with the arrest of the Huawei executive on behalf of the US; the US clearly wanted her arrested to be able to discredit and bar Huawei from selling its stuff in the US.

Now that friendly relations are no more, say goodbye to favoritism. Too bad the Chinese decided to make an example of him, and used his request for appeal to be able to up this sentence.

When Trudeau could call on the Chinese president to release Canadians from Chinese detention, and the Chinese accepted, it was because of positive relations. It's supposed to show good will.

The culture of goodwill has been ingrained in Chinese society for centuries. It's called GuanXi, and it's so basic in Chinese society that it applies between family, business and political ties. You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. It's also the seed of corruption that has plagued China for centuries.

Godowill won't happen anymore. Canada did it to itself. The US decision to put the Huawei executive on the wanted list was purely political, because the US sanctions on Iran are also purely political.

What our idiot PM and FM don't understand is that politicians make the laws. Everything is political.

Canada decided to side with the US on an issue Canada had no interest in, and we aligned outselves with the US when doing that had absolutely no benefit. Did Trump rescind the 15% tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminium? No. In fact, he called Trudeau a bad person.

Talk about shooting ourselves in the foot. Totally inept.

Canada and the US should just sever ties with that corrupt country and let them sell their garbage to other countries.

wilbur said:

China normally executes drug smugglers.

He got 15 years because when he was originally sentenced, Canada's relations with China were friendly.

Fast forward to when Canada slapped China in the face with the arrest of the Huawei executive on behalf of the US; the US clearly wanted her arrested to be able to discredit and bar Huawei from selling its stuff in the US.

Now that friendly relations are no more, say goodbye to favoritism. Too bad the Chinese decided to make an example of him, and used his request for appeal to be able to up this sentence.

When Trudeau could call on the Chinese president to release Canadians from Chinese detention, and the Chinese accepted, it was because of positive relations. It's supposed to show good will.

The culture of goodwill has been ingrained in Chinese society for centuries. It's called GuanXi, and it's so basic in Chinese society that it applies between family, business and political ties. You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. It's also the seed of corruption that has plagued China for centuries.

Godowill won't happen anymore. Canada did it to itself. The US decision to put the Huawei executive on the wanted list was purely political, because the US sanctions on Iran are also purely political.

What our idiot PM and FM don't understand is that politicians make the laws. Everything is political.

Canada decided to side with the US on an issue Canada had no interest in, and we aligned outselves with the US when doing that had absolutely no benefit. Did Trump rescind the 15% tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminium? No. In fact, he called Trudeau a bad person.

Talk about shooting ourselves in the foot. Totally inept.

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Charlemagne said:

The Big Circle Boys, which are an Asian gang, are the fentanyl kings of Canada. How ironic.

Darts and PornAddict fail to mention them because they're not black.

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WTF... I don't have any sympathy for any gangs . Canada and China should excuted all gangs that drug trafficking period.
Don't care if they Asian , or black or white or red, or green. To me any gang that drug trafficking and pimping should be excuted.


PS. Never heard of " The Big Circle boys", and the only gang I heard of is from TV, like MS13, and the Hell Angel.

The "Bone" Ranger said:

Canada and the US should just sever ties with that corrupt country and let them sell their garbage to other countries.

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China should then sell the 3 billion dollars they have in US debt and crash the US dollar?

Sounds fine to me. Then you won't be able to afford to buy anything, even the 'garbage' at Walmart.

wilbur said:

China normally executes drug smugglers.

He got 15 years because when he was originally sentenced, Canada's relations with China were friendly.

Fast forward to when Canada slapped China in the face with the arrest of the Huawei executive on behalf of the US; the US clearly wanted her arrested to be able to discredit and bar Huawei from selling its stuff in the US.

Now that friendly relations are no more, say goodbye to favoritism. Too bad the Chinese decided to make an example of him, and used his request for appeal to be able to up this sentence.

When Trudeau could call on the Chinese president to release Canadians from Chinese detention, and the Chinese accepted, it was because of positive relations. It's supposed to show good will.

The culture of goodwill has been ingrained in Chinese society for centuries. It's called GuanXi, and it's so basic in Chinese society that it applies between family, business and political ties. You scratch my back and I'll scratch yours. It's also the seed of corruption that has plagued China for centuries.

Godowill won't happen anymore. Canada did it to itself. The US decision to put the Huawei executive on the wanted list was purely political, because the US sanctions on Iran are also purely political.

What our idiot PM and FM don't understand is that politicians make the laws. Everything is political.

Canada decided to side with the US on an issue Canada had no interest in, and we aligned outselves with the US when doing that had absolutely no benefit. Did Trump rescind the 15% tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminium? No. In fact, he called Trudeau a bad person.

Talk about shooting ourselves in the foot. Totally inept.

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Well said Wilbur and there really isn't much more to add.

AMEN!

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/cana...nadian-sentenced-to-death-in-china/ar-BBSfK0c


Your country deserves much better': B.C. judge warned Canadian sentenced to death in China
Jason Proctor


A B.C. judge told Robert Lloyd Schellenberg he was lucky to be living in Canada when he sent him to jail for drug trafficking in 2012.

As the Abbotsford man faces the death penalty in China, Justice Neill Brown's admonition now reads like a chilling warning.

"Your country deserves much better from you. You are in one of the best places in the world to live," Brown said as he sentenced Schellenberg in B.C. Supreme Court in Chilliwack.

"You are not caught up in Libya or Syria; I do not have evidence of any abuse in your childhood and I accept that you have your own struggles to deal with, but you have to contront those. After all, it's not as if you are 18, and having to storm Juno Beach."

The journey that carried Schellenberg from that courtroom in the Lower Mainland's Fraser Valley to the centre of an international story is detailed, in part, in court documents obtained by CBC News.

The 36-year-old was sentenced to death Monday in the Dalian People's Court in China's northeast province of Liaoning.

The ruling came after a sudden retrial of a 15-year sentence for allegedly conspiring with others to smuggle 222 kilograms of methamphetamine from China to Australia in 2014.


Prime Minister Justin Trudeau condemned the sentence, which comes amid speculation Schellenberg is one of several Canadians whose fates are enmeshed in a battle between Canada and China over extradition proceedings for Huawei chief financial officer Meng Wanzhou currently underway in Vancouver.

Brown sentenced Schellenberg to two years in 2012 for possession of both cocaine and heroin for the purpose of trafficking as well as simple possession of cannabis resin and methamphetamine.

Because of time served, Schellenberg's ultimate sentence was 16 months and 12 days.

'Do not ever underestimate the seriousness'
Schellenberg pleaded guilty to all four counts, which came about as a result of an investigation into a high-volume drug sales operation that saw his apartment in Abbotsford used as a "distribution centre."

According to the reasons for sentence, Schellenberg was on probation at the time that police raided his fourth-floor apartment, seizing $6,080 worth of cocaine and heroin as well as $3,205 in cash from pill profits.

The judge said Schellenberg was not considered to have been at the "lower rung" of the operation.

His criminal record dates back to February 2003, when he received a six-month sentence for possession for the purpose of trafficking.

At the time Brown sent him to jail, Schellenberg was struggling with addiction.

"He had a work-related accident in which he injured his femur," Brown said. "At the time of his arrest, indeed, he was wearing a cast, and apparently because of his injury, was abusing pain medications."

The judge noted that Schellenberg's father "had turned his back on him because of his criminal history although he still has the support of some family members."

"You are fortunate that you have some family members supporting you," the judge said. "Do not ever underestimate the seriousness of this kind of an offence."

At the time of his sentencing in 2012, Schellenberg's lawyer told the court he was "deeply ashamed, worried about his father and any embarrassment that he is experiencing in the community."

'I hope this is the last time'
Schellenberg's parents could not be reached for comment Monday, but his aunt Lauri Nelson-Jones called the decision the family's "worst-case fear confirmed."

"Our thoughts are with Robert at this time. It is rather unimaginable what he must be feeling and thinking. It is a horrific, unfortunate, heartbreaking situation. We anxiously anticipate any news regarding an appeal."

It is unclear what Schellenberg did between his relase from provincial jail, which was set for mid-2013 and his alleged involvement in the Chinese drug case. Some reports have suggested he worked in the Alberta oil patch.

According to the Chinese court, Schellenberg was part of a group that concealed 222 bags of methamphetamine in plastic pellets and shipped it from Guangdong to Dalian. He allegedly planned to conceal it in tires and tubing and ship it via container to Australia.

Chinese state television said in an earlier report that Schellenberg argued in court that he was a tourist visiting China and was framed by criminals. His lawyer told The Associated Press that he argued during the one-day trial that there was insufficient evidence for his client's conviction.

Back in 2012, as Brown prepared to send Schellenberg off to jail, he told the drug dealer he was at a critical point in life.

"He has had his chances in the past. He is either going to cure himself of his addicton and reform himself and turn off the path that he has been on or he is not," Brown said.

"Your basic task is to overcome your addition and reform your life. I hope this is the last time you appear in court."

Bumblaster said:

There was a trial - back in 2014 long before the Huawei tit for tat. The Chinese didn't just make this up.

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Uh, if you bothered to read about this case, yes, there was a trial back in 2014 FOR WHICH HE RECEIVED A 15 YEAR SENTENCE.

Now on December 29'th 2018, they pick this guy out of jail and order a new trial because they supposedly have new evidence and they convict him after 1 hour and sentence him to death.

Yep, that sure sounds on the level to me.

james t kirk said:

Uh, if you bothered to read about this case, yes, there was a trial back in 2014 FOR WHICH HE RECEIVED A 15 YEAR SENTENCE.

Now on December 29'th 2018, they pick this guy out of jail and order a new trial because they supposedly have new evidence and they convict him after 1 hour and sentence him to death.

Yep, that sure sounds on the level to me.

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Sentences have been increased on appeal in Canada as well. Its possible he got very bad advice. It was a TON of drugs and perhaps they found out he had been convicted in Canada before so that makes it a LOT worse. Sentence is too severe for sure but this guy is an idiot.

We will see more of our citizens executed in Asia after we
decriminalize heroin, cocaine and other drugs.

His 2 Chinese accomplices received a life in imprisonment and suspended death sentence respectively. He got 15 years and he decided to appeal..on what grounds I am not sure. But any court would be offended if it gave someone a light senetence and they appealed with no signficant grounds for appeal. Of course what I read is not really detailed enough to make a judgement. But why did this drug smuggler with 11 convictions (how do you even get a passport with 11 convictions OMG) suddenly up and go to China?

wilbur said:

China should then sell the 3 billion dollars they have in US debt and crash the US dollar?

Sounds fine to me. Then you won't be able to afford to buy anything, even the 'garbage' at Walmart.

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So why dont they? Dont oversimplify things.

China execute the most people in the world I believe, how do they do it, firing squad?

wazup said:

China execute the most people in the world I believe, how do they do it, firing squad?

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Yup. Or at least they used to. Not sure if they still do.
They also send the family a bill for the cost of the bullet (to rub it in a little...LOL)

wilbur said:

China should then sell the 3 billion dollars they have in US debt and crash the US dollar?

Sounds fine to me. Then you won't be able to afford to buy anything, even the 'garbage' at Walmart.

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Well first of all 3 billion in US treasuries is not even as significant as a fart in a hurricane. China has 1.6 TRILLION in US treasuries out of a market of 21.5 trillion, so fact is, because of the way the US banking system is set up all the major US banks (and most western banks) can print money to buy US treasuries, so they will. Its quite an ingenius scam really. I cannot really see how it can fail, other the the fact it obviously must at some point!! Strangely enough although it may seem counter intuitive, selling treasuries will actually drive UP the US$ as the sold treasuries will "soak up" liquidity, unless the FED buys them and pays with freshly created $ in which case China will have to start dumping US in massive amounts and it will only result in the loud crashing sound of the Chinese economy

nottyboi said:

Well first of all 3 billion in US treasuries is not even as significant as a fart in a hurricane. China has 1.6 TRILLION in US treasuries out of a market of 21.5 trillion, so fact is, because of the way the US banking system is set up all the major US banks (and most western banks) can print money to buy US treasuries, so they will. Its quite an ingenius scam really. I cannot really see how it can fail, other the the fact it obviously must at some point!! Strangely enough although it may seem counter intuitive, selling treasuries will actually drive UP the US$ as the sold treasuries will "soak up" liquidity, unless the FED buys them and pays with freshly created $ in which case China will have to start dumping US in massive amounts and it will only result in the loud crashing sound of the Chinese economy

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Oops! My bad.

It is 3 trillion that the Chinese own in US debt.

Of course, China would shoot itself in the foot if it put all of its US debt on the market, as its value would instantly go to near zero if there were no buyers. Crashing the US economy would also hit China hard as its exports would be greatly hit.

The US total debt is 21 trillion and counting. They have to pay the interest on that by printing more money and issuing more debt, and to make up the shortfall of not enough buyers, have to buy some of that debt with money they have to print again.

It's a massive ponzi scheme that cannot go on forever. Eventually, the whole system will come crashing down, as all ponzi schemes eventually do. that will bring down the Western economies along with it.

Russia and China have been de-dollarizing, in they hope that this will limit the damage when the time comes. In the meantime, the US is actually speeding up de-dollarization by weaponizing the US Dollar, by imposing sanction on those countries that break trade sanctions against countries like Iran, that use the US dollar in their international transactions. China now buys Russian oil and goods in Yuan. Turkey is paying for its new Russian S-400 missile defense systems in Turkish Lira and India is paying for its own S-400 systems in Rupees. De-dollarization further exacerbates the flooding of excess US dollars on he market, eventually pushing the US dollar to crash when the ponzi scheme reaches is ultimate conclusion.

The sudden death sentence is obviously politically motivated,

the man looks like a piece of shit, but we still need to try to save his skin, I think it is time to exchange the Chinese heiress for all detained Canadians; whatever her crime, it was against the US

Also time to reevaluate our relationship with these police state dictatorships, starting with tariffs and sanctions to reduce trade

kstanb said:

The sudden death sentence is obviously politically motivated,

the man looks like a piece of shit, but we still need to try to save his skin, I think it is time to exchange the Chinese heiress for all detained Canadians; whatever her crime, it was against the US

Also time to reevaluate our relationship with these police state dictatorships, starting with tariffs and sanctions to reduce trade

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Amnesties are also politically motivated. In Canada, Crown Prosecuters will often appeal what they consider a light sentence. Is that politically motivated? Yes, when there is a public outcry.

If you want to re-evaluate a police state dictatorship, maybe you should take a peek at our steadfast Middle-East ally Saudi Arabia; a dictatorship run by a despot with the mental age of a teen-ager, who bumps off (by extreme prejudice) any embarrassment to his rule. It has nothing to do with human rights. It's all about money and arms sales.

China has the rule of law...THEIR LAW. Same as Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia and the Philippines, who execute drug traffickers, including foreigners. The reason he was originally given a light 15 year sentence was because Canada had favourable relations with China, and China is lenient towards what it considers to be its friends. Too bad he appealed his sentence just as Canada decided to ruin relations with China, as Canada, in its stupidity, decided to line up its foreign policy with a country that treats it like shit.

I used plural for police state dictatorships. I fully agree, Saudi Arabia needs to be added to the list of countries we had minimal to no relations