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https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/15/china/china-canada-executions-africa-intl/index.html

Next to the U.S., China provides the most tourists to Canada. Imagine all the money they spend here. This will hurt our hospitality business.
They surpassed Germany 5 years ago. Over 300,000 Chinese tourists a year to Canada then. 60,000 travel to Gravenhurst Ontario just to sightsee where Dr. Normal Bethune, the Canadian hero of Mao's Great March, was born and raised.

China has already issued a travel advisory to its citizens against travelling to Canada about facing summary extradition to the US. Doesn't mean that it's real, but Chinese people are indeed patriotic, and they generally heed their government's advice.

When the US placed its THAAD Missiles in South Korea a couple of years ago (without asking South Korea first btw), China wasn't very happy because they saw that as a threat China's nuclear ballistic missile deterrent. They advised their nationals to avoid South Korean travel for tourism. Indeed, Chinese tourism fell 60% from 3 million visits and caused a lot damage to the South Korean tourism industry. Although Chinese visitors to Canada represent one tenth the volume of South Korea's, it's a lot just considering the loss of air travel revenue.

Justin and his cabinet of XX chromosome clowns have no idea the mess they've created by aligning Canada with US geopolitical policy, while continuing to be treated like shit by the US.
 

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Another article about the last 12 hours of a group of women on death row in China. One of them was a young, naive woman who was working as a drug courier for her boyfriend. she made a confession in the belief that she would receive a relatively light sentence, but was instead sentenced to death.
https://deathpenaltynews.blogspot.com/2011/12/glimpse-of-death-row-in-china.html
So based on this article, it appears that they take drug-trafficking seriously and penalize both guilty local and foreign offenders equally? I suppose different countries have their own levels of severity in punishment for crimes committed. They carry out death penalties and we don't. When death execution is carried out on a foreigner, it seems much more magnified than say when a local offender is executed.:ranger:
 

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Another article about the last 12 hours of a group of women on death row in China. One of them was a young, naive woman who was working as a drug courier for her boyfriend. she made a confession in the belief that she would receive a relatively light sentence, but was instead sentenced to death.
https://deathpenaltynews.blogspot.com/2011/12/glimpse-of-death-row-in-china.html
That was in 2003. Things have been changing since, as the Party has slowly been distancing itself from the Chinese judicial system.

There was a widely viewed TV series in China about people on death row, with interviews of why they did it, with relatives, and the final hours; they made this very public, as they use this for public deterrence. The host eventually got PTSD and she quit.

All death sentences handed by regional courts are reviewed by the Chinese Supreme Court (or whatever they call it). For extenuating circumstances, the sentence is suspended for 2 years, and if there's no further trouble, commuted to life imprisonment. It's happening more and more frequently. Schellenberg will probably get his death sentence suspended, just to keep Canada in suspense. Although China is very angry at Canada's government at the moment, China still wants good relations with Canada in the long term for historical reasons, and they're not going to slam the door shut by executing him. In the Chinese culture, there is more to dealings than the rule of law. It's called GuanXi, "relationships".
 

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Don't smuggle drugs and you'll be ok.
Not if you are a Canadian... they are out to get revenge and intimidate us over that CEO's arrest. Unfortunately, many countries are currently run by gangsters ( or worse) including the U.S., Italy , Russia, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Israel, China, Philipines, North Korea and most of Africa and South America. Individual human rights and justice are blatantly undermined.
 

wilbur

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Not if you are a Canadian... they are out to get revenge and intimidate us over that CEO's arrest. Unfortunately, many countries are currently run by gangsters ( or worse) including the U.S., Italy , Russia, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Israel, China, Philipines, North Korea and most of Africa and South America. Individual human rights and justice are blatantly undermined.
Intimidate yes, revenge no.

China is making its point with a few very visible cases. Canadians and other foreigners get into trouble with the law in China all the time; there are at any one time 200 Canadians in Chinese custody, but you never hear about it; it's not as if it never happened before.

Some people think that they are above the law in these countries, that they can do what they want, like smoking pot or working illegally. Chinese Police don't like hassles with foreigners and some foreigners take advantage of that, leading some people to think that they are above the law; but the rule of law will apply at one point, especially when the government gets angry.

[video]https://streamable.com/5qnc9[/video]


And a small correction: many countries are run by Banksters.
 

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Uh, if you bothered to read about this case, yes, there was a trial back in 2014 FOR WHICH HE RECEIVED A 15 YEAR SENTENCE.

Now on December 29'th 2018, they pick this guy out of jail and order a new trial because they supposedly have new evidence and they convict him after 1 hour and sentence him to death.

Yep, that sure sounds on the level to me.
It certainly sounds like it is retribution.. But honestly who cares. The guy already had a conviction for dealing drugs in Canada. I think Canada should appeal to the Chinese on his behalf, but I hope they do not make this a big issue.

If the Chinese want to make an example of him, its their right.
 

Darts

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Trudeau and Freeland should shut up and stop whining and criticizing the PRC in public. They know nothing about Chinese culture and should Google "Chinese Saving Face".
 

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Trudeau and Freeland should shut up and stop whining and criticizing the PRC in public. They know nothing about Chinese culture and should Google "Chinese Saving Face".
It looks like "the Canadian moral superiority" in display again.
 

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We ARE morally superior. Nothing to do with our ethnicities but our political and legal systems. However, the problem is that China is economically and militarily superior. A continually rising power that will soon, unfortunately, be number one in several ways.
 

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China execute the most people in the world I believe, how do they do it, firing squad?
There was this saying:
A bullet is cheap but keeping someone fed and sheltered in prison cost a whole lot.

In a sense, it saves tax payer's/government money.

The guy had his chances while he was in Canada to reform himself.
I guess there are only so many second chances in life.

Some could argue he does not deserve more chances. I do not want him to die but I do not and can not disagree with the verdict in any logical way.

We ARE morally superior. Nothing to do with our ethnicities but our political and legal systems. However, the problem is that China is economically and militarily superior. A continually rising power that will soon, unfortunately, be number one in several ways.
If we are morally superior we would have not let him out of provincial prison after that 16+ months. We would have made him served a more severe sentencing than just two years for trafficking in Canada.
I think you mean ethically superior.

LOL, also if we are morally superior, terb would not exist and majority of us won't be in this hobby. Morally superior my a$$. :p
 

bornonaug9

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We ARE morally superior. Nothing to do with our ethnicities but our political and legal systems. However, the problem is that China is economically and militarily superior. A continually rising power that will soon, unfortunately, be number one in several ways.
With the residential schools, head tax, japanese internment and 1939 refusal of ship of Jewish refugees, I say Canada is a racist country up to the 1960's.
 

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With the residential schools, head tax, japanese internment and 1939 refusal of ship of Jewish refugees, I say Canada is a racist country up to the 1960's.
It was later than that. Why do you think the jewish people in Toronto needed their own Golf club, sailing club etc?
 

Darts

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I can't find the original thread so I'll post here.

Miss Meng was arrested on December 1, 2018. The U.S. has 60 days to file an extradition request. To-day is day 50. Obviously, the U.S. is in no rush to ask for her extradition.

"The U.S. has to make a formal extradition request within 60 days of Meng's arrest and send the supporting documents to the International Assistance Group, the specialized branch within the Department of Justice that handles extradition."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/meng-huawei-extradition-1.4937146

P.S. I assume that within the next 11 days Canada will either have to prepare to extradite her or release her. I doubt we can hold her forever.
 
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