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A (lacking) experience in Montreal - this is a rant.

CaveHobbit

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I’m really not sure what the purpose of this post is except to perhaps vent my frustration over a recent experience in Montreal.

Back in December I’d started to plan a business trip to Montreal and while I had not firmed up exact dates, I planned to carve out some play time for one evening. I knew what my travel window of time would be so I began reaching out to see who might be available during those nights.

I was not looking for an hour in a cheap motel. This was intended from the start to be a four figure evening with a VIP companion of the highest order. I will not mention the name of who I finally connected with, but I felt she was the perfect fit for what I was looking for.

I felt lucky that my absolute first choice was available during a period of time during my stay in the city and so I started finalizing my trip schedule around a full evening of dinner and dessert. I made sure I had a full evening to myself and arranged other peoples schedules accordingly by ensuring meetings ended at a certain time and I declined dinner invitations. Everything had been arranged and organized around 2 weeks prior to my trip.

As a general rule I stay in 4 star or better hotels (I do not do Motel 8s) but knowing I’d be entertaining, I booked a higher end suit at a hotel right down town. We chatted back and forth about her recommendation for dinner (I don’t know what’s good down there), she made a recommendation and I made reservations.

So the day arrived last week. I was in Montreal, everything was sorted and arranged and things paid for. I arrive back at the room after my meetings are done and I began getting ready for the evening I’d been looking forward to for many days. I'd had a high end bottle of wine brought up to the room for afterwards.

Then – just as I’m about to step into the shower, I get a text message – “Sorry I have to cancel”.

WTF!??!? I’ve scheduled well ahead, I arranged other peoples time to suit, I spent money. And she cancels within a couple of hours of our get together. At this point I am so pissed off, so livid I can barely speak. My hands are shaking in anger as I try to text back. Now to give her some credit, she did offer to reach out to her friends to see if anyone could fill in, but we’re talking ladies that are booked up days or weeks in advance. Of course there is no way that anyone I’d be even remotely interested in would be available at 3 hours’ notice. And obviously none were.

Even if someone had been able to fill in, I was too angry to see anyone at that point anyway. I would have been horrible company and it wouldn’t have been fair to whomever was the #2. So I was screwed over (and not how I wanted).

The thing that really, really, really ticked me off the most was that if the roles had been reversed, if I’d canceled with a couple of hours’ notice, I would likely have been put on some black list and bitched out for wasting her time. But it’s 100% okay for her to cancel on me with no consequences whatsoever. Again, this wasn’t some car date in a back ally or something, I wanted the best VIP companion for a reason. I expected better.

So yeah, I really don’t have a reason to post this except to vent.

[edit - had written 5 figure night when it was really a four figure night...math is hard]
 

kkelso

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That sucks, been there. But you're not helping anybody if you don't post her name.

KK
 

CaveHobbit

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There are multiple reasons I've chosen not to include her name

1. The fine print here seems to indicate you can't review (which this could be construde as) unless you've actually seen the lady -- I never actually saw this person.

2. Posting a complaint get's you black listed with the VIP's just as cancelling would because I've not respected her properly... remember, there's a double standard at work here.

3. She did at least attempt (or she claimed to attempt) to find someone to go in her stead -- even though I knew that was just hand waving the impossible given the short notice.

So no, I don't think giving her name really helps much.
 

kkelso

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So no, I don't think giving her name really helps much.
Your call, but not giving her name doesn't help at all. In fact I would say it actually hurts. She now knows she can do this and there are no repercussions, other than possibly losing your business, which, it seems, she doesn't value all that much anyway.

KK
 

blueray

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There are multiple reasons I've chosen not to include her name

1. The fine print here seems to indicate you can't review (which this could be construde as) unless you've actually seen the lady -- I never actually saw this person.

2. Posting a complaint get's you black listed with the VIP's just as cancelling would because I've not respected her properly... remember, there's a double standard at work here.

3. She did at least attempt (or she claimed to attempt) to find someone to go in her stead -- even though I knew that was just hand waving the impossible given the short notice.

So no, I don't think giving her name really helps much.
First of all, this is very unfortunate, I feel for you as I have been there (maybe not to the extent of the planning you did). Did she not give you a reason why she had to cancel? If she said family emergency I'll puke.
Reason 1 - You can review your experience from a no-show/cancelled appointment and name the person, no rules saying you can't. Reason 3 - She attempted to find someone did she...what, she sent a text, maybe two. Wow, how thoughtful.
Reason 2 - this is why nobody is willing to write a negative review of independents. They fear they will be blacklisted, not get future references, be denied future bookings for fear of sub-par or negative reviews.

Anyways, sorry to hear, that is a tough one considering all the planning. I hope venting has helped.
 

Caspertheghost

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Five figures for one night? Have never heard of someone at 10k-plus for a dinner then a night of fun. You really should post her name otherwise you have done nothing to help any of us and instead expect us to pay attention to you useless rant (although you were truthful that it was a rant!).
 

essguy_

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I sympathize with the OP. But do have to say that my experiences with Montreal (and I used to go there 2 times a month for years on business) was the business is more relaxed (in terms of arranging appointments) and that eg: "Montreal time" even at the best of times rarely matched the pre-arranged time. So eg: A 9pm outcall would usually mean 10 or later. It was rare that an appointment would be on - time, so much so that when it did happen, sometimes I wasn't ready. Also - due to experiences like the OP in different cities, I got into the habit of re-confirming outcalls several times, including the day of - always with a "plan B" ready. Shit happens and sometimes it's not just because the SP is flakey.

It does suck though when you plan ahead and it falls through but happens all the time, and not just in Montreal.
 

legmann

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Part of the problem, as I see it, is putting all your eggs in one basket. Is always a liability making plans around one particular lady, especially when anyone else is going to seem a last-minute 'replacement'. And the further in advance you book, the greater the likelihood of something intervening.

After similar disappointments myself, I now simply tend to go with the flow, and book when the impulse strikes, rather than be captive to fate. Given the selection of lovely ladies in Montréal and common late-night availability, I've yet to be disappointed.
 

CaveHobbit

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I think the fault ultimately lies with you.
Mmm no. When I'm prepared to drop that sum of money, and I do everything right along the way, I expect more consideration. I expect professionalism. This is especially true when trying to schedule time with a VIP that emphasises that clients have to book well in advance when wanting longer get togethers.

I lean towards high end companions because they are, as a general rule, far more reliable and less flakey. There's always the exception apparently.
 

legmann

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** You "over built" the evening to the point that if something happened, it became catastrophic ...always have a "plan B". We do this for fun, and once you start to set up unrealistic expectations or a cancellation literally drives you to fits of anger, it may be time to re-evaluate.
Well-said. It is an incredible waste to have a suite booked, wine purchased, etc. if your ability to ultimately enjoy rests on the whims of any particular SP, who may have any reason to cancel.
 

rhuarc29

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I think the fault ultimately lies with you.
While I understand what you’re saying, and respect your opinion, I disagree 100%.
I'm with blueray. As the OP said, it'd be very difficult to schedule a back-up plan for a session of this caliber. A few hours notice is not nearly enough. This is in no way the OP's fault.
Whether or not it is the SP's fault depends entirely on her reason for cancelling, which we're not likely to ever learn. If it was a true emergency, then it's not her fault either and simply an unfortunate circumstance for both her and the OP. But if it was a non-emergency (say, she simply wanted to hang with friends that night), then she is 100% at fault and majorly put the OP out.

As the OP does not know the reason for cancelling, I respect his decision to keep her name out of this.
 

jcpro

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She cancelled with hours of notice. Depending on her reasons, that can be the height of professionalism. You simply do not know.

It appears you had not seen her before, and decided on an ostentatious show of wealth for the encounter. This is also bad judgement on your part.

I believe the measure of a man is how you deal with adversity. I also believe in personal responsibility. You over-built, and you caved when it went wrong (inconsolably angry it seems). That is all on you. You are dealing with people, and shit happens. How you deal with that is 100% on you, and you ruined the night. Not her. Worst case you could have called an agency for an impromptu foursome to blow off some steam.

You came here to rant for sympathy. You have to also expect criticism. When I fuck up, feel free to call me on it. :)
Harsh, but righteous. Had the same thing happen to me here in town a couple of years ago. Called an agency, ordered a couple of girls and had the time of my life. Sure, they were not French "VIP companions" whatever that means these days, but they were young, hot and one of them was even holding.
 

CaveHobbit

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You came here to rant for sympathy. You have to also expect criticism. When I fuck up, feel free to call me on it. :)
That's just bullshit. There is zero professionalism about cancelling with hours’ notice when she knows full well it is impossible to schedule with someone else at that point. You seem to have never bothered to schedule anything longer than a 15 minute car date with a toothless wonder for $25. The rest of us who can afford, and are willing to afford, a higher standard of experience, expect more. And from some of the replies I'm seeing in the thread, I'm clearly not the only one that thinks this.

Your suggestion to 'call an agency' is ludicrous...clearly - obviously - that isn't what I was interested in. I have no interest in that experience - If I did, I would never have bothered to go to the trouble of arranging something far more interesting and potentially satisfying. There's a reason that the VIP experience exists... it's so we don't have to put up with bullshit. If canceling with 'hours notice' is professionalism for you, then you just have low standards. You are clearly looking for a far less enjoyable experience. I expect a private fully catered suite on the 50 yardline, you seem to be happy with bleacher seats in the endzone. There's a world of difference.

I did nothing wrong in this situation. Nothing.
 

NiceToMeetYou

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I've been to Montreal once. The first night with my ATF. It was awesome since I've seen her for probably at least a couple dozens times. I stayed in her place which was quite nice comparing to my own place. We had a simple dinner of grilled chickens and French Fries from her favourite restaurant. We took out the dinner from the restaurant and had it in her place with a glass of wine in her refrigerator. So we didn't go into a fancy root by booking expensive hotel suite. However, we enjoyed our companies in a simple way.

On my second night when was the last night in Montreal, she sent me away to stay in a hotel downtown. It was an old hotel with very spacious room for $130 / night. She recommended this hotel because she knew that the room is very spacious and I just booked it a night before. On my own, I called an agency and book a girl at 8PM outcall to my hotel. The arrival time was actually 9:30 PM. So I understood that it's probably the Montreal way of arriving very late. I somehow couldn't perform on the second night due to the exhaustion from my first night with my ATF and lots of drinking in the previous day and night. However, the Montreal rate was very reasonable at $200 / hour with $20 for an outcall fee. So my second night was at $220 for the outcall which wasn't that bad.

My lesson was not to expect much from the booking because my body wasn't healthy in the second night and the very late arrival of the girl in the agency. All in all, I would better stick with my ATF for a known outcome...

In your case, you only lost on the costs of hotel suite and a bottle of expensive wine. You probably didn't loose the overnight's donation because she cancelled. If you would go along with her suggestion of a replacement, you may have a good time as well if you could let go with your anger of her cancellation.
 

CaveHobbit

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I feel fortunate that I don't have anywhere close to your lofty expectations in order to have a good time with a woman. A few hours notice is more than adequate.
Except that it isn't enough notice - not even remotely. If you're happy with whatever drugged up girl an agency sends to your hotel room so you can spend 20 minutes with her then that's great for you. You should keep doing that.
 

blueray

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Who knows what her rationale was, it is quite possible that she did have an emergency to deal with.
Well this is certainly true. But, if I had a dollar for every family emergency an SP had....
 

blueray

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I'm with blueray. As the OP said, it'd be very difficult to schedule a back-up plan for a session of this caliber. A few hours notice is not nearly enough.
Canceling on a high priced SP, say Madison Winter for example, say 47 hours before your appointment....only costs you $650, lol.
 

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I think the fault ultimately lies with you. You "over built" the evening to the point that if something happened, it became catastrophic. There are all sorts of reasons for someone to cancel, and she gave you hours of notice.

I have had many providers cancel on me. There are some that I know are erratic, and some that are rock solid. I know this going in, and always have a "plan B". We do this for fun, and once you start to set up unrealistic expectations or a cancellation literally drives you to fits of anger, it may be time to re-evaluate.
This was my take as well.

Does it suck? Yes.

But stuff happens and people have to cancel. That's life. Things come up.

If you're so livid over it that you couldn't speak or book someone else, it's because you had built it up in your head too much and you should seriously consider something like a walk-in MP for future experiences.
 
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