A (lacking) experience in Montreal - this is a rant.

That's seems a bit harsh.
I used the bulk my hobbying in Montreal and mainly used French Kiss which was quasi-independent group of what they call of Merb HDH (high dollar hoties). This happened 4 times to me in 10 years of 2 girls a month habit. Half the time they were able to get one their friends to stand in. The others I just called up one of the popular Agencies and they somebody over in an hour or so.

A lot good times were had in the Nelligan or the Place D'Armes.

Man, these SP's seem to have a lot of hobbyists balls in a vice. I agree, why vent if you don't want to name her. So what if a few indy's blacklist you for a bad review? The escort well is never gonna run dry. If I had a civilian date with a hot girl I liked, and she stood me up, I'm sure I'd be pissed as the OP. But this is a transaction, a paid fantasy.
People treat you the way you let them treat you, and some clients seem to act like they're contestants on the Bachelorette hoping the girl gives them a rose.

Yup, I’ve had the same thing happen. Yup, I was livid at first.

I’ve concluded that ‘most’ escorts aren’t very reliable.

Most of the time when that happens, some were major ‘dates’ like you’re talking about, I move on. One of them wasted VIP concert tickets.

Plan B has worked out well a few times.

CaveHobbit said:

I lean towards high end companions because they are, as a general rule, far more reliable and less flakey. There's always the exception apparently.

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Since you have acknowledged that there are exceptions, then just accept that this is one of them and move on. Your ongoing whining and bashing of other members is getting tiresome. The more you keep it up, the more of a spoiled rich kid you look. BTW, it is not a good look and will only bring on more bashing of you. You are playing a losing strategy. Watch and learn, Grasshopper.

shit happens, but it really bothers me when cancellation is just a few minutes before the start of the session

as advice: always have a plan B, in your scenario really not a lot to do as it was kind of late, but you could still go to some strip bar and book something for the morning after

if the reason was legit, I would not scratch her out of my book

Vermeer27 said:

Man, these SP's seem to have a lot of hobbyists balls in a vice. I agree, why vent if you don't want to name her. So what if a few indy's blacklist you for a bad review? The escort well is never gonna run dry. If I had a civilian date with a hot girl I liked, and she stood me up, I'm sure I'd be pissed as the OP. But this is a transaction, a paid fantasy.
People treat you the way you let them treat you, and some clients seem to act like they're contestants on the Bachelorette hoping the girl gives them a rose.

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I mostly agree, but the reason for her cancelling is important. We don't know if she cancelled for serious or superficial reasons.

This is one of the reasons I never bought into the "Courtesan" experience. Your just setting yourself up for an expensive failure. I've read hundreds of these stories since C-36 passed. When one parties a criminal and the others not...…….y'all know who's getting fucked there.

CaveHobbit said:

As a general rule I stay in 4 star or better hotels (I do not do Motel 8s) but knowing I’d be entertaining, I booked a higher end suit at a hotel right down town. We chatted back and forth about her recommendation for dinner (I don’t know what’s good down there), she made a recommendation and I made reservations.


[edit - had written 5 figure night when it was really a four figure night...math is hard]

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perhaps she thought it was a 5 digit and not 4 $, or a 5 star and not a 4 star hotel, why she had second thoughts

CaveHobbit said:

I lean towards high end companions because they are, as a general rule, far more reliable and less flakey. There's always the exception apparently.

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Wow, you really have bought into the smoke and mirrors. You prefer sitting in a restaurant with a woman who has never met you and pretending to laugh at your jokes and find you entertaining while in the meantime secretly waiting to go home and curl up on her sofa counting her money over calling up an Agency in Montreal, paying $220.00/hr per girl and getting your rocks off over and over. Absolutely the agency ladies may feel the same way about you as the VIP companion but at least they know what they need to do, get you off, perhaps some small talk and off you go.

Montreal providers are so laid back that if you're a decent guy they will go out with you for just a night out, especially if you're going to be a high roller.

Most of these so-called "high end companions" started as agency girls and some were backpages advertisers. I guess in your world they go from Flakes to VIP status which allows them to evolve after the branding into perfect loving companions.

I get it, wow, this brings back memories of Rod Serling and The Twighlight Zone.

Now, I didn't spend 4 digits on this particular independent SP, But I had to jumped hoops (screening was off the wall insanity) like I've never had before to get her to book with me: She finally agreed and I had two weeks to think about our session. I had to reschedule plans with friends and family, took time off work, etc...I wanted this session to be epic. Sure, it's nothing compared to OP's elaborate planning, but our mindset was the same. 3 hours before session, I asked SP to give me the name of hotel so I can make my way there and do some fine dining before meeting up. Got to nearby area an hour later and I get a text that she had to cancel; she wasn't feeling well. Obviously it enraged the fuck out me. What am I to do now? She texted back saying that if I still wanted to see her, she'll accommodate my request, but she won't be at 100%. Her best option was to reschedule our session at a reduce priced; half off. Sure, I was mad as hell, but I agreed to her offer.

Instead of staying mad at the situation, I just booked an agency girl that looked similar to her and had a great time. I finally saw that independent SP a week later at the reduce price and we had a great ole time. Sometimes you just got to let it go and move on.

kstanb said:

if the reason was legit, I would not scratch her out of my book

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rhuarc29 said:

I mostly agree, but the reason for her cancelling is important. We don't know if she cancelled for serious or superficial reasons.

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The reason is always legit if you take the person at their word. No SP is going to tell you she dumped the session for a better offer, a last minute regular wanting in, going out with friends or just didn't feel like it. If you are around long enough you hear it all....the car accidents, the family emergencies, etc. What are you going to say? You don't believe them?

It goes with the territory... Always have a plan B. This isn't a normal industry where standard business conventions apply.

The rant of the OP here is purely based on his fault and inexperience.

Some rules apply even in Montreal heaven hobby territory:

1. Have a plan B!!! (Listen to Blixa! This is no fucking regular biz my friend!)
2. Do not ever go big like multi-hours with a new girl
3. For agency, call the booker and get to know them
4. Go on Merb for Montreal you will get advice
5. Check the list of top 15 rated girl for 2018 on Merb
6. Accept that girl cancel a LOT (see advice 1)
7. Repeat with girl you liked upon further visit
8. If you do not know your shit in Montreal, use reputable Agency!!
9. Try to think of all mistake a newbie would do and don't do them

Cheers,

I’m not gonna fault OP for wanting to go all out or booking a longer date since in my experience with longer dates the payoff is always greater. Heck even if he wants to only see “VIP ladies” that’s his prerogative (could probably do without impugning agencies and their clients but that’s just me.)

But dude...let it go! You seem really angry, entitled and arrogant. I feel like if your shining attitude here is anywhere similar to your communication with this lady you may have scared her off.

stedon said:

Hard to believe, but somehow lots of guys who've never spent four figures on a single night have managed to avoid 15 minute car dates with toothless wonders for $25.

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Our OP likes to make a lot of assumptions about how the other half lives, the most idiotic being that anyone who doesn't indulge in his notion of a 'satisfactory' experience must automatically content themselves with car dates and crack whores.

Actually you just come across as arrogant and immature. I can only imagine how you'd have reacted if the girl had shown up and been anything less than absolutely 100% what you expected.

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Now this, is actually frightening.

Feeling Your Pain

jcpro said:

H... but they were young, hot and one of them was even holding.

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Even holding what? I am unfamiliar with this term.

CaveHobbit said:

That's just bullshit. There is zero professionalism about cancelling with hours’ notice when she knows full well it is impossible to schedule with someone else at that point. You seem to have never bothered to schedule anything longer than a 15 minute car date with a toothless wonder for $25. The rest of us who can afford, and are willing to afford, a higher standard of experience, expect more. And from some of the replies I'm seeing in the thread, I'm clearly not the only one that thinks this.

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I feel your pain dude. Most of us in this hobby have experienced disappointment along the way, even getting angry and disillusioned at certain junctures. You were dicked around, presumably no reason given. I don't know how many hours advance notice you were given about the cancellation. The only thing one can do at that stage is start checking out the agencies and see if a hastily arranged Plan B is available.

Try not to get too bent out of shape over it. I think stedon's first comment in post 40 has some merit. Professionalism is far from guaranteed in any profession, call girls included. I have, for instance, seen horrible doctors and horrible lawyers and horrible dentists. Just because they make $250 or more an hour doesn't necessarily equate to a high level of professionalism.

But definitely I understand the way you feel. I think we've all been there, or many of us have anyway. The only advice I can give is that one must be flexible and adaptive to really enjoy this hobby. Lots of agency girls and even some backpage girls (whatever they are calling backpage now) have delivered quality experiences for me in the past, as have some VIP indy ladies.

Ive had more cancellations lately, and another no show.
Some were quite valid reasons, others I’ll never know.
One arranged date, she just ghosted me. I was at her hotel on time. And nothing. Radio silence.
If it was really her phone problem, She could have walked down and found me in the parking lot, she knew I was there.
She texted late that night, phone problem. I found out days later it was jealous boyfriend, wouldn’t let her go out.

Like I said before, I’ve concluded most escorts are unreliable. Even the most reliable can get sick and have to cancel.
Nothing is garrantied. So, don’t put unrealistic expectations on someone else and you won’t be so upset when the fantasy doesn’t match reality.

TFZL1 said:

Ive had more cancellations lately, and another no show.
Some were quite valid reasons, others I’ll never know.
One arranged date, she just ghosted me. I was at her hotel on time. And nothing. Radio silence.
If it was really her phone problem, She could have walked down and found me in the parking lot, she knew I was there.
She texted late that night, phone problem. I found out days later it was jealous boyfriend, wouldn’t let her go out.

Like I said before, I’ve concluded most escorts are unreliable. Even the most reliable can get sick and have to cancel.
Nothing is garrantied. So, don’t put unrealistic expectations on someone else and you won’t be so upset when the fantasy doesn’t match reality.

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I have to admit it is strange to hear these types of "stats". In 2018, I cancelled once with 24 hours notice.

Excellent points about Montreal. You’re spot-on. Had one lady (now retired), arrive a couple hours late, and tell me she was in the midst of her period. Ended up improvising.

The “branding” strategy a number of Montreal courtesans use, IMHO, tends to focus on romance, plus her elegance, refinement, intelligence, worldliness, and fine touches like exquisite lingerie. But quite often, mileage-wise, nothing more than a “Classic GFE” at best (there are ladies at lower price points, including agencies, who might push the needle more towards robust GFE and PSE), which isn’t a downer per se. If you’ve agreed to a 4 hour dinner date with a Montreal courtesan and you only have one hour left on the clock when you return to your hotel room, count on her leaving at the 4 hour mark unless you pony up more cash. High-end restaurants in Montreal, by the way, might be staggeringly expensive in the downtown and Old Montreal areas, and some ladies want to try a lot of items on the menu. I’ve also found some high-end Montreal courtesans that were beautiful and appealing ladies who disliked 2 hour dates immensely and said so. It was as if fee income less than $1000 (or some higher amount) was very unappealing to them for one night’s “paycheck”.

Regarding the OP’s great disappointment with the cancelled appointment, I had one “Top 20 Rated Worldwide” escort on that three-lettered review board (with one letter meaning “Erotic”) cancel on me at the last hour in NYC. Despite back and forth emails confirming the date/time, all she told me was, “I have classes this afternoon.” She was THE most money-hungry courtesan (a true courtesan with a unique background in sex work) I have ever met in this business; her like of intense PSE/GFE (Greek on menu if doable for her) attracted many guys. Had a great date #1 with her, but date #2 was not to be. No apology from her.

Another “Top 50” lady from same review site had agreed to meet me in NYC, where she lived. An hour later she texted me saying she was in Chicago and had a later flight; she showed me a picture of her airline itinerary, and it was apparent that there was no way she could have made our agreed-upon appointment in NYC on time. Ended up getting a hotel room and seeing her the next day. No apology from her.

I’ve found that most ladies I’ve met are outstanding with communication and punctuality. If a client and/or provider can’t make it because of illness or a bonafide emergency, it can be challenging to reschedule or otherwise improvise. If she has a girlfriend who might be able to fill in for her, that’s one option. Some ladies look at negative reviews as “ruining their business.” This pastime is going to incur disappointments here and there along the way.