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basketcase

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Saudis have very little domestic scientific and engineering capability. Its mostly a ton of expats. Thats just the nature of the country and the fact that the Sauds will not allow any other tribes any status. I did not make the comments about Arabs, I made it about Saudis. This is the way they are kept pacified by their govt. If the Saudis and Iranians decide to nuke each other I guess Israel will be happy, perhaps that is what they are trying to engineer? hmmmm I think you answered your own question. BTW Saudis just announced a 20B investment in Pakistan. I think a special shipment will soon be on the way....
Nice work trying to justify your racist comments. Last I checked, they have a shit load of money and send their wealthy to the best schools around the world.

More importantly, I see you trying to avoid how Iran's nuclear games is pushing the longest running middle east conflict into the nuclear age.
 

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Nice work trying to justify your racist comments.
Looks like its been the Saudis who have been trying to acquire nukes all along, not Iran.

Donald Trump rushing to sell Saudi Arabia nuclear technology
Experts worry tech transfer will allow Saudi Arabia to produce nuclear weapons, contributing to Middle East arms race.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...rabia-nuclear-technology-190219181918317.html

As usual, you're attacking the wrong targets.
 

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Nice work trying to justify your racist comments. Last I checked, they have a shit load of money and send their wealthy to the best schools around the world.

More importantly, I see you trying to avoid how Iran's nuclear games is pushing the longest running middle east conflict into the nuclear age.
Yeah they send their kids all over the world to get educated but the still have no significant industrial base compared to Iran.
 

basketcase

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Yeah they send their kids all over the world to get educated but the still have no significant industrial base compared to Iran.
Keep looking for excuses to explain your racism. You might not have noticed but Saudi is exceptionally wealthy without industry.
 

basketcase

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Looks like its been the Saudis who have been trying to acquire nukes all along, not Iran....
How about AND Iran.

And this is exactly the problem that I've been commenting on; Iran's suspicious behaviour causes Saudi to do the same. But you would rather botch about Israel than comment on two of the worst rights abusers in the world developing nukes.

Of course I have seen nothing about from Saudi Arabia about building tens of thousands of centrifuges.
 

basketcase

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Not Iran.
Iran has been a signatory to the NPT and undergoing inspections.

Saudi has been actively trying to get nuclear tech outside of the NPT.
Did you read anything in that article or did you just see the headline and thing it a good way to distract criticism of Iran?

The article says Saudi is trying to buy power plants, something Iran has already built and something that on its own isn't a violation of the NPT. Meanwhile Iran also has domestic uranium production and has made a stupid amount of centrifuges for their one power plant. If Saudi ever builds 25,000 centrifuges and starts avoiding inspectors like Iran did then they will jump to the top of my worried list instead of being second or third.

And this is exactly what I have been saying Iran's nuclear activity has accomplished. But of course you want to criticize Saudi's response to Iran's suspicious nuclear program but not Iran's actions that precipitated them.

p.s. Iran was in violation of their treaty obligations which is why the UN made them sign a deal.
 

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Did you read anything in that article or did you just see the headline and thing it a good way to distract criticism of Iran?

The article says Saudi is trying to buy power plants, something Iran has already built and something that on its own isn't a violation of the NPT. Meanwhile Iran also has domestic uranium production and has made a stupid amount of centrifuges for their one power plant. If Saudi ever builds 25,000 centrifuges and starts avoiding inspectors like Iran did then they will jump to the top of my worried list instead of being second or third.

And this is exactly what I have been saying Iran's nuclear activity has accomplished. But of course you want to criticize Saudi's response to Iran's suspicious nuclear program but not Iran's actions that precipitated them.

p.s. Iran was in violation of their treaty obligations which is why the UN made them sign a deal.

Iran was never in violation of its treaty obligations. They were obligations imposed by other countries.

If Saudi goes nuke, it won't be because they have the expertise to do it. It will be as a result of them buying the expertise, namely Pakistani nuke scientists.

Iran's nuclear program isn't new. It was the US that gave Iran the technology when Iran was a puppet of the US under the dictatorship of the Shah.

The US intelligence assessment states that Iran has not had a nuclear weapons program since 2003. Iran signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, and Israel did not.

And that original news article? You believe in fairy tales if you believe in what's in the Jerusalem Post. The news is slanted reflecting the government line, and the Israeli government wants regime change in Iran. They will try to discredit it by whatever means they have, including psych ops (when bad guys do it, it's called fake news propaganda).
 

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Keep looking for excuses to explain your racism. You might not have noticed but Saudi is exceptionally wealthy without industry.
Actually they are not exceptionally wealthy, their GDP per capita is only 20K USD. They are not poor, but not as wealthy as UAE or Qatar. They are a large country and so they have high total GDP, but only the Sauds and those close to them are rich, the rest get by on welfare.
 

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Actually they are not exceptionally wealthy, their GDP per capita is only 20K USD. They are not poor, but not as wealthy as UAE or Qatar. They are a large country and so they have high total GDP, but only the Sauds and those close to them are rich, the rest get by on welfare.
This is an entire thread pushed by basketcase to vilify Iran and try to justify more war.
Its just tiring.
 

basketcase

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This is an entire thread pushed by basketcase to vilify Iran and try to justify more war.
Its just tiring.
As tiring as your refusal to actually criticize Iran simply because they also want Israel destroyed?

Sorry but last year Iran inaugurated another plant to develop advanced centrifuges even though they already have an insane amount. The 5,000 gen1 centrifuges they are allowed under the deal can produce more than enough fuel for their commercial reactor and they have another 20,000 or so advanced models in storage under the deal. Why do they need more?

I don't want war but I sure support sanctions to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons to massive rights abusers like Iran and Saudi Arabia.
 

basketcase

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And that original news article? ...
Why wouldn't I? It is based on a Reuters report about France complaining about Iran violating a UNSC resolution. Are you suggesting that Israel ordered France to complain and made Reuters follow Israeli government direction?

And it is undeniable that Iran wants to be seen as nuke capable. I've already stated that I have no idea whether they actually want nukes or just wants everyone to think so.

My concern is that until the sanctions bit, even the UN saw Iran's nuclear actions as problematic. A commercial nuclear program is fine but there is no possible peaceful rationale for the absolutely ridiculous number of centrifuges Iran already has let alone the masses more they are building.

Whether they want nukes or just like pretending, they are causing a real problem with Saudi Arabia following suit.
 

Frankfooter

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I don't want war but I sure support sanctions to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons to massive rights abusers like Iran and Saudi Arabia.
Iran is a signatory of the NPT and still undergoing inspections even after the US pulled out of the JPOA.
They had an excuse to pull out but they didn't.

Saudi Arabia needs to be watched, but Iran is not building a bomb.
Netanyahu and you keep trying to claim that they are out to destroy Israel, but Israel has nukes and the US behind them.
It won't happen even if they wanted it.

Trying to destroy Iran won't make Israel safer, do you think its safer with Iraq and Syria now failed states?
 

basketcase

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Iran is a signatory of the NPT and still undergoing inspections even after the US pulled out of the JPOA....
And their continual construction of a ridiculous amount of centrifuges has caused Saudi Arabia to begin the same path. If Saudi also gets a bomb it will be entirely because of Iran's program.

And no one is talking about destroying Iran (even though they repeatedly talk of destroying countries). I have no issue with intensive sanctions against them or against Saudi Arabia if they start building tens of thousands of centrifuges.


And I'm still waiting for you, notti, or anyone else to explain what purpose Iran has for their insane number of centrifuges other than having a very short breakout time.
 

Frankfooter

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And their continual construction of a ridiculous amount of centrifuges has caused Saudi Arabia to begin the same path.
Bullshit, sir.

Mister Bone Saw wants some nukes. Israel's favourite ally, the Saudis, want the bomb as well so are sneaking around with Jared and conspiring to get the tech.
Has zilch to do with Iran.
Nobody but Netanyahu and his team of hasbara trolls really believes the crap about centrifuges.
 

basketcase

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Bullshit, sir.....
Interesting. You have no comment on why Iran needs tens of thousands of centrifuges and ignore that Saudi is quite open about what they are worried about.

Iran and Saudi are both nasty rights abusers who have been in conflict for ever but as usual you just want to make this about the Jews.
 

Frankfooter

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Interesting. You have no comment on why Iran needs tens of thousands of centrifuges and ignore that Saudi is quite open about what they are worried about.

Iran and Saudi are both nasty rights abusers who have been in conflict for ever but as usual you just want to make this about the Jews.
UN nuclear watchdog: Iran maintains compliance with 2015 pact
https://thehill.com/policy/internat...un-nuclear-watchdog-iran-maintains-compliance

You should save your bile for those who aren't NPT signatories or obeying its terms.
You should be arguing for all countries to abide by the NPT.
 

basketcase

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UN nuclear watchdog: Iran maintains compliance with 2015 pact....
The pact that the UN forced on them because of their suspicious nuclear activity? The same suspicious activity that has caused Saudi Arabia to follow suit?

And I'm still waiting for you to explain what use Iran has for tens of thousands of advanced centrifuges other than an extremely short breakout time.
 
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