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Test of steel prototype for border wall showed it could be sawed through

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Test of steel prototype for border wall showed it could be sawed through

A photo shows that the steel columns were breached with a common industrial tool.



A test of a steel prototype for the proposed border wall showed it could be sawed through.NBC News Exclusive

Jan. 10, 2019, 7:54 AM EST/ Updated Jan. 10, 2019, 8:00 AM EST

By Jacob Soboroff and Julia Ainsley

President Donald Trump has repeatedly advocated for a steel slat design for his border wall, which he described as "absolutely critical to border security" in his Oval Office address to the nation Tuesday. But Department of Homeland Security testing of a steel slat prototype proved it could be cut through with a saw, according to a report by DHS.

A photo exclusively obtained by NBC News shows the results of the test after military and Border Patrol personnel were instructed to attempt to destroy the barriers with common tools.

The Trump administration directed the construction of eight steel and concrete prototype walls that were built in Otay Mesa, California, just across the border from Tijuana, Mexico. Trump inspected the prototypes in March 2018. He has now settled on a steel slat, or steel bollard, design for the proposed border barrier additions. Steel bollard fencing has been used under previous administrations.

However, testing by DHS in late 2017 showed all eight prototypes, including the steel slats, were vulnerable to breaching, according to an internal February 2018 U.S. Customs and Border Protection report.

Photos of the breaches were not included in a redacted version of the CBP report, which was first obtained in a Freedom of Information Act Request by San Diego public broadcaster KPBS.

The photo of testing results obtained by NBC News was taken at the testing location along the California-Mexico border, known as "Pogo Row."

Responding to the picture from the South Lawn of the White House on Thursday morning, Trump claimed "that’s a wall designed by previous administrations."

While it is true that previous administrations used this design, the prototype was built during his administration.

"It's very, very hard — the wall that we are doing is very, very hard to penetrate," Trump said.

NBC News toured the eight wall prototypes twice before President Trump's March 2018 inspection. According to San Diego Sector Border Patrol Chief Rodney Scott, the versions seen by NBC News and the president, however, were larger than the actual prototypes tested at "Pogo Row."

In a statement, DHS Spokeswoman Katie Waldman said, "The steel bollard construction is based on the operational requirements of the United States Border Patrol and is a design that has been honed over more than a decade of use. It is an important part of Border Patrol's impedance and denial capability."

"While the design currently being constructed was informed by what we learned in the prototypes, it does not replicate those designs," said Waldman. "The steel bollard design is internally reinforced with materials that require time and multiple industrial tools to breach, thereby providing U.S. Border Patrol agents additional response time to affect a successful law enforcement resolution. In the event that one of the steel bollards becomes damaged, it is quick and cost-effective to repair.

"The professionals on the border know that a wall system is intended not only to prevent entry, it is intended to defer and to increase the amount of time and effort it takes for one to enter so that we can respond with limited border patrol agents. Even a wall that is being breached is a valuable tool in that it allows us to respond to the attempted illegal entry."

In response to KPBS, CBP spokesman Ralph DeSio said the prototypes "were not and cannot be designed to be indestructible," but were designed to "impede or deny efforts to scale, breach, or dig under such a barrier, giving agents time to respond."

In his address to the nation Tuesday, Trump said the steel fence design is "what our professionals at the border want and need. This is just common sense."

As a candidate, Trump promised to build an "impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful" wall on the border that would be paid for by Mexico. Before the Oval Office address, the White House's Office of Management and Budget sent a letter to Congress requesting $5.7 billion for the construction of 234 miles of steel barrier.

Amid a government shutdown over his border wall proposal, Trump will travel to McAllen, Texas Thursday to make the case for building the additional border barrier.

House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Rep. Bennie Thompson, D.-Miss., said there is "nothing special" about Trump's wall design.

"President Trump likes to pretend a wall will solve all our problems, but it's been clear for some time that it is little more than a very expensive vanity project," said Thompson. "Whether steel or concrete, there is nothing special about his wall and it will not secure our borders. Democrats are willing to work with the administration to improve our border security, but let's get back to proven and effective solutions."

Jacob Soboroff

Jacob Soboroff is a correspondent at MSNBC.

Julia Ainsley

Julia Ainsley is a national security reporter for NBC News.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/test-steel-prototype-border-wall-showed-it-could-be-sawed-n956856
 

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Major revelation to liberals, you can actually saw through steel.

In other related news, water is still wet and ice is still cold
 

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The same would hold true for any steel barrier, being used by any nation. Are those being compromised by industrial tools?

The obvious fact here, is nothing is indestructible. Its a simple steel wall, so yes, using an industrial tool like cutting torches, or gas powered saw could breach it. But this isn't an episode of myth busters, and I am sure border patrol might notice someone cutting through.

A steel barrier is not intended as the sole thing to stop, or even slow illegal immigration. Its meant to be used in conjunction with cameras and patrols.

The idea of a steel barrier is to stop people coming on foot, who are carrying food, water, or drugs. Not people with means industrial grade tools.

I have the smaller 20V model of this tool at my cottage/farm. With a cutoff wheel it will cut through hardened chain easily and 1/2 rebar, plate steel, metal fenceposts, etc. This one runs on a 60V battery and can handle a 6 inch cutoff wheel - so it's faster and more capable. From the pictures of the fence - the outer steel is nothing that would require a torch or gas powered saw.

Definitely not worth shutting govt down, especially given that Trump campaigned upon Mexico paying for it and is now resorting to lies about USMCA to fool his gullible base of support that Mexico is "indirectly paying for the wall".

 

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Total waste of money. Easier to simply go after any employer that hires an illegal immigrant.
 

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I'm not an expect on construction steel, or demolition, so can't say what tool would work.
But I'd shudder to think countless steel border walls have just been rendered useless because of this battery powered tool.



I'd say that didn't warrant a shutdown, but securing a countries borders, and ensuring the safety of its citizens, would be the best possible grounds for a shutdown.
Who ultimately pays the bill, is irrelevant. If its not Mexico, its a broken promise. But simple costs don't downplay the absolute need of something so important.

The migrant caravan consisting of thousands made it right to the US doorstep. More than one point of entry was breached, and the military was needed to stop them.
If ever there was a "good" reason to shutdown a government, and dig in on a position, this one is it.

Asking a mere 5 Billion is nothing. If Democrats truly cared about border security, they would accept a wall in the deal, and double the money.
They obviously want open borders.
So was he right to want a concrete wall? Would that be more secure than steel slats? I don't know the answer.
 

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Asking a mere 5 Billion is nothing. If Democrats truly cared about border security, they would accept a wall in the deal, and double the money.
They obviously want open borders.
Why?

Illegal immigration from border crossing is way, way down.
 

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GTA & Thereabouts...
My vote would be a tall and thick reinforced concrete wall. Tough to beat, period. It worked between Germany for quite a while...

Add rose bushes on the Mexican side and they be fucked!

What are the options nowadays? Do you let everyone in? Dictators and evil-doers run people out of their country. Is the eventual option Invasion to eliminate those dictators? I'm of the belief that War is coming.
 

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Again... Those rose bushes will really fuck them up.

Perhaps the US spends the $5B and wipes most of Central America's shitty leadership off the map? How did the Alexander the Great, the Romans or the British Empire succeed?

The cartoons are funny and Trumps comments are fucked up; but there is an issue to be dealt with...

(Here back in Canada; we can't build anything to save our lives, but we can legalize pot and allow police to breathalizer someone in their own home!)
 

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The same would hold true for any steel barrier, being used by any nation. Are those being compromised by industrial tools?

The obvious fact here, is nothing is indestructible. Its a simple steel wall, so yes, using an industrial tool like cutting torches, or gas powered saw could breach it. But this isn't an episode of myth busters, and I am sure border patrol might notice someone cutting through.

A steel barrier is not intended as the sole thing to stop, or even slow illegal immigration. Its meant to be used in conjunction with cameras and patrols.

The idea of a steel barrier is to stop people coming on foot, who are carrying food, water, or drugs. Not people with means industrial grade tools.
True dat. Which is why no one has actually tried to use walls for national security for a coupla thousand years now.

The fact we're even reading this piece, about this fence/barrier/palisade is more proof Donny has no idea what His Wall will be, never mind what it's meant to do for the country. If this had been a business promise he made to get a deal, he'd have declared bankruptcy and walked away long ago.

If he knew how to be President, and actually believed what he said, he'd have had engineers doing plans and lawyers working on a Bill to get the plans built the day after the Inauguration. He's had a plenty of time to tell everyone exactly what he wants and where he wants it, in plenty of detail. From building Washington DC itself, to the Hoover Dam to the Space Station, getting such big, necessary stuff designed, funded and built is what Governments led by real Presidents have always persuaded Congress to do.

Halfway into his Presidency this guy can't even be clear about the difference between steel and concrete, and his best and only shot at delivering his 'promise' is to hold the entire USA hostage and shutdown the country like a pouting infant who won't come out of his room until Mommy Nancy says he can have whatever he wants.
 

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Thats because Trump is in charge now and and illegals are scared shitless to come into the US for fear of deportation.
Why do you think so many are fleeing into Canada and requesting asylum??

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/can...-has-become-a-divisive-and-confusing-issue-a/
So the wall isn’t necessary! Thanks for that - but why didn’t you just say that instead of falling like a gullible phool for the bullshit about USMCA and tariffs meaning Mexico is paying for the wall.

Tell me again how additional Trump tariffs on Mexican cars (in violation of his “greatest deal”) will mean that Mexicans pay for the wall... LOL!
 

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So the wall isn’t necessary! Thanks for that
The wall is just one component of effective border control, there are other factors involved as well (one of them being Trump's stricter enforcement acts as a bit of a deterrent). And a wall most definitely helps in combatting illegal immigration.
Read this: https://thehill.com/homenews/media/...ned-our-local-view-because-of-reports-on-wall

"We believe CNN declined a report from KUSI because we informed them that most Border Patrol Agents we have spoken to told us the barrier does in fact work," it concludes. "We have continuously been told by Border Patrol Agents that the barrier along the Southern border helps prevent illegal entries, drugs, and weapons from entering the United States, and the numbers prove it."


Tell me again how additional Trump tariffs on Mexican cars (in violation of his “greatest deal”) will mean that Mexicans pay for the wall... LOL!
I already explained it to you in a previous post, but you didnt like my answer
 

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True dat. Which is why no one has actually tried to use walls for national security for a coupla thousand years now.

The fact we're even reading this piece, about this fence/barrier/palisade is more proof Donny has no idea what His Wall will be, never mind what it's meant to do for the country. If this had been a business promise he made to get a deal, he'd have declared bankruptcy and walked away long ago.

If he knew how to be President, and actually believed what he said, he'd have had engineers doing plans and lawyers working on a Bill to get the plans built the day after the Inauguration. He's had a plenty of time to tell everyone exactly what he wants and where he wants it, in plenty of detail. From building Washington DC itself, to the Hoover Dam to the Space Station, getting such big, necessary stuff designed, funded and built is what Governments led by real Presidents have always persuaded Congress to do.

Halfway into his Presidency this guy can't even be clear about the difference between steel and concrete, and his best and only shot at delivering his 'promise' is to hold the entire USA hostage and shutdown the country like a pouting infant who won't come out of his room until Mommy Nancy says he can have whatever he wants.
Really. Israel has a wall. I remember Hungary setting one up during the Migrant crisis and it worked quite well.

Better yet go stand outside Pelosi's house which has a 15 foot wall and do your best Reagan in Germany circa 1987.

Shouldn't she set the example?
 
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