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lagaffe

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Am I the only one who gets ticked off by all these SPs asking for your professional internet website, email address and other personal information and verifying it? One even asked me for my credit card number! In case I didn't pay or it was counterfeit money... No kidding!

I'm worried about how they process, keep and protect this information. I mean, if sites like Ashley Madisson get hacked, can you imagine how easy it is to hack any of our favorite SPs and put their client list on the web? Not to talk about Law Enforcement.... This also opens the door wide open to blackmailing, which happened to me, so I really resent this. And if they do it and get away with it, it's because their clients agree to yield, and I wonder why we do this instead of seeing legit and good SPs who don't.

I mean, they don't want to share THEIR personal information with us, what's the deal, when we are doing something deemed criminal in this country, to provide them with proof we did it!!! The probability of getting in trouble may be slim, but the impact of being caught and finding yourself with a criminal record and on the list of sex offenders is incredible!!!
 

xLeax

Lea Lourdes
Nov 18, 2013
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SPs look at your information once to deem that you're legitimately who you say you are.

SPs are inviting you into their homes, where they live, they're opening up a huge privacy act by doing such.
If you're not comfortable with verification, then don't go see them.

Unfortunately the few have ruined it for the many. If women in this business weren't harmed, raped and molested then verifying so intensely wouldn't be necessary.
It's for our safety, you'll now know where we live, so we want to know about you.

Am I the only one who gets ticked off by all these SPs asking for your professional internet website, email address and other personal information and verifying it? One even asked me for my credit card number! In case I didn't pay or it was counterfeit money... No kidding!

I'm worried about how they process, keep and protect this information. I mean, if sites like Ashley Madisson get hacked, can you imagine how easy it is to hack any of our favorite SPs and put their client list on the web? Not to talk about Law Enforcement.... This also opens the door wide open to blackmailing, which happened to me, so I really resent this. And if they do it and get away with it, it's because their clients agree to yield, and I wonder why we do this instead of seeing legit and good SPs who don't.

I mean, they don't want to share THEIR personal information with us, what's the deal, when we are doing something deemed criminal in this country, to provide them with proof we did it!!! The probability of getting in trouble may be slim, but the impact of being caught and finding yourself with a criminal record and on the list of sex offenders is incredible!!!
 

lagaffe

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SPs look at your information once to deem that you're legitimately who you say you are.

SPs are inviting you into their homes, where they live, they're opening up a huge privacy act by doing such.
If you're not comfortable with verification, then don't go see them.

Unfortunately the few have ruined it for the many. If women in this business weren't harmed, raped and molested then verifying so intensely wouldn't be necessary.
It's for our safety, you'll now know where we live, so we want to know about you.
Well... I'm sorry but the one who blackmailed me asked to see me in an hotel. I unfortunately didn't know where she lived because blackmailing is also a crime!!! I understand your safety is important, but so is ours, no? Can't we reach a middle ground?

My point is not you asking, you may ask what you want! It's the men who agree to give this information than ruin it. They expose themselves and, by the same token, encourage this behavior. I am wondering why they accept this.
 

xLeax

Lea Lourdes
Nov 18, 2013
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The middle ground is this: verify the way we ask, or go find another SP that will verify the way you want.

The ones who follow our verification process are not ruining anything. They're the ones who are actually helping the game. They accept it because it's a legitimate part of being in this business.
 

cheektocheek

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This thread is disturbing stick with ladies that have been reviewed and safe I would never give credit card to any ladies I have stayed with the pic ladies they are all undies and trust worthy
 

gmaximus

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Those guys probably have nothing to lose or are clueless. There's no pussy in the world worth gambling my life over. I can understand in the US, the law doesn't protect SPs but it does here. It's still illegal to buy services here, so I'm not giving away any personal info until it's legal to buy.

I was once threatened by a shady agency that they would out me and post my info on facebook. Just for complaining about crappy service. Lucky for me I used a text app and didn't give any personal info. Told them to fuck off and post my info anywhere. Things can go down really bad if one is not careful. It's all fun and games until someone outs you. And let's be real, not every SP can be trusted with your info. Heck I don't even tell my friends about seeing SPs. Friends don't always stay friends. However I have shared personal info with some ladies after I got to know them well. Still think that was stupid of me to do.

Reference from other providers should suffice for a booking. Just my 2 cents.
 

downbound123

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This topic has been hashed over many many times.
As I see it, independents are small business entrepreneurs who can run their business any way they see fit. The balance sheet at the end of the month will determine if their business model is the right one and make or not make adjustments accordingly.
We as consumers are free to spend our money wherever we want and set our own guidelines as to what sort of risks we are willing to take.
There is not one right way or a wrong way, just the way you are comfortable with.
As one small business owner in Ottawa (butcher shop) once told me, "repeat customers are worth their weight in gold". This might be something to consider when formulating a business plan for your enterprise.
 

xLeax

Lea Lourdes
Nov 18, 2013
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The ones that ask for such intense verification, the whole reason they're asking for more than another girl, is because it's from their home.

Some SPs ask for less verification, some just references. They probably work out of a rented place or shared condo.

It's all up to her what she chooses to ask for. If someone's not comfortable with it, then they don't need to see her.



Woah hold a minute Lea, how many providers are actually working from thier real home? I know you are a little bias but I think more then 80% of providers don't actually give out thier real address. Anybody have stats on that?
 

The "Bone" Ranger

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If they ask just see someone else - lots of nice girls who don't require shit. If they choose to work out of their home that is their own decision.

Am I the only one who gets ticked off by all these SPs asking for your professional internet website, email address and other personal information and verifying it? One even asked me for my credit card number! In case I didn't pay or it was counterfeit money... No kidding!

I'm worried about how they process, keep and protect this information. I mean, if sites like Ashley Madisson get hacked, can you imagine how easy it is to hack any of our favorite SPs and put their client list on the web? Not to talk about Law Enforcement.... This also opens the door wide open to blackmailing, which happened to me, so I really resent this. And if they do it and get away with it, it's because their clients agree to yield, and I wonder why we do this instead of seeing legit and good SPs who don't.

I mean, they don't want to share THEIR personal information with us, what's the deal, when we are doing something deemed criminal in this country, to provide them with proof we did it!!! The probability of getting in trouble may be slim, but the impact of being caught and finding yourself with a criminal record and on the list of sex offenders is incredible!!!
 

Jasmine Raine

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If they ask just see someone else - lots of nice girls who don't require shit. If they choose to work out of their home that is their own decision.
Exactly.

If you don't want to do what an SP requires for anything, screening, rates, services, etc. - move on. Don't bitch about it, just move on.
 

Nesbot

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Exactly.

If you don't want to do what an SP requires for anything, screening, rates, services, etc. - move on. Don't bitch about it, just move on.
Best advice. The sea is full of beautiful fishes. Don't get hung up on one.
 

Dougal Short

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I'm worried about how they process, keep and protect this information. I mean, if sites like Ashley Madisson get hacked, can you imagine how easy it is to hack any of our favorite SPs and put their client list on the web?
So there was a thread on Twitter where Kitten was outlining her new verification processes. She got a certain amount of fuss and so she backed off a little. I think the upshot was that would ask you for ID when you arrived, she'd photograph it and email it to herself. I guess the idea was that if some dude killed her (God forbid) the cops might find her email etc. I commented with a "Ya but..." along the lines if someone planned on doing her harm, he's never going to show ID and he'll just do whatever it is he's going to do. In other words, it was a useless plan. I got blocked for my trouble. In another post, a girl said she would take a deposit instead of personal info. Huh? How does that help to keep her safe.

Anyway, my objection is exactly the same as lagaffe has pointed out here. Every fucking day some girl posts that she's lost her phone when she was wasted. Or her useless pimp/boyfriend ran off with all her shit. Honestly, I agree that the risk to us is minimal, and if the lady has a solid reputation, I don't have any issues with sending the stuff she wants. I would never do it to some random girl off LeoList. That would just be stupid.

I'm glad ladies are taking steps to insure their safety. It shows a maturity in the industry and a confidence in the lady. And if it makes her feel good about the encounter, then that's great. But I think that just as the upper echelon of ladies are charging rates that are out of my "justification" budget, there's only a few that will be able to get away with this verification stuff. Most guys will just choose to book with someone else. There are always going to be ladies with fewer requirements, just as there are always ladies offering a fantastic time for $200 - $250, not $500 or $1000 or more.
 

pof1

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LOOOOL I wonder how those guys in Montreal do it. The agency in Montréal done it right and now I know why it's so good! That's why SP service is so popular there!
The agency girls have serious protection in Montreal. I think there was a place called MOJO that tried to muscle some of the other agencies around recently. That place hasn't been open since.
 

lagaffe

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It's not the business model I complain about. She can do what she wants. What i complain about is us, in the hobby, who give in to this and accept to give our personal information. I'm concerned this would become the norm rather that the exception if this model spreads.
 

lagaffe

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But I guess nobody answered my question which is "Am I the only one who get ticked off" by this. And also, for those who accept to give this information, why do you do it? You don't care about the impact of this information being leaked? Or you don't see it as a real risk?
 

BillReid451

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But I guess nobody answered my question which is "Am I the only one who get ticked off" by this. And also, for those who accept to give this information, why do you do it? You don't care about the impact of this information being leaked? Or you don't see it as a real risk?
I used to be ticked off by it, but then an SP I have quite a good relationship with (that didn't really screen) got beaten up by a first time client that happened to be psycho and practically held hostage for a few hours. Now, I can fully understand why girls do this, their lives are at stake here. There are plenty of girls that don't screen, if you have an issue with strict screening requirements, go see these girls.
 

asuran

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I used to be ticked off by it, but then an SP I have quite a good relationship with (that didn't really screen) got beaten up by a first time client that happened to be psycho and practically held hostage for a few hours. Now, I can fully understand why girls do this, their lives are at stake here. There are plenty of girls that don't screen, if you have an issue with strict screening requirements, go see these girls.
I have had a similar experience that's why I'm more pro SW screening (twitter/terb/reference).
Some don't care enough until it hits close to home.
 

blondefan

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The ladies have the right to request whatever information or donations they want. As customers we have the right to decline and move on. If you don't like what someone is asking for move on.

I don't feel comfortable sharing any personal information. If all indy SPs were to move to this business model I would just go to more MA locations like CMJ, Brass, etc even if it means no full service.
 
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