I have never said Doug Ford is not smart
Did you think I would not have anticipated that very predictable but irrelevant question ?
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Did you think I would not have anticipated that very predictable but irrelevant question ?
No No
The question put to you was
What I think of Trudeau is not relevant to why you would vote for a candidate that you think is not smart
You freely admitted Justin is not smart
You have multiple choices including Mr. Singh , Mr Bernier, The green lady or perhaps one of the many independents (another 10 alternatives)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_political_parties_in_Canada
Surely one of them must have a leader who you do consider smart
Unless of course you believe anyone whos view differs from yours must be an idiot by definition
Is that the case ?
Now explain to us why anyone would vote for / support a candidate that they think is not smart ??
Go through this thread from start to finish, or have a patient friend read it for you. It’s very simple Larue, which is why a simpleton like you needs to have it repeated over and over.
Since you’re thick as a brick, I will spell it out for you. Believe it or not, I am actually more Conservative in background. But I will not only vote Liberal in the coming election (btw, you don’t vote for a PM in a Parliamentary democracy) I’ve joined the party and have already spoken about my concerns - concerns which are shared by many within and without the party. I also joined and worked with Freeland’s team to get her elected in the 2013 by-election when Linda McQuaig was the front runner. And I wasn’t just a door knocker either. The Liberals will move towards the center in the coming election. Why? Because they have to, and also because the NDP pose a diminishing threat, so are less of a factor (unlike 2015 which was their first election after making their Québec faux “breakthrough”). If they don’t, they will lose. Period. Secondly, the CPC (who have never been Conservative, except in name) - who might have also moved towards the center under a less socially conservative leader (Eg: Ambrose, Raitt, hell - even a fool like McKay would do a better job than Scheer) have remained right in the faux “populist”, “family values” netherland under Scheer. Social Conservative Parties which have no real beliefs other than a core hatred of abortion and gays run as populist/family values parties. Oh, they pretend and talk a good line - but the problem is, their parties have been infiltrated by religious kooks and nutcases who couldn’t run a lemonaid stand. They have nothing to offer in the way of good governance. In fact, the last “Conservative” Govt we had was under Chrétien.
YOU could do the same thing for the CPC, but you’re too lazy and likely too stupid. Of course you could still join and offer to stuff envelopes. Even that would help. Scheer will need it, because he was elected CPC leader to take the loss, not to become our next PM.
Now have your friend read this to you. I will await your typically idiotic reply.
CBC has a good article out today on how if the Ford's hadn't come in and fucked over Toronto, Scarborough would have had a fully functioning and paid transit solution 5 years ago.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...ing-more-uncertainty-for-ttc-riders-1.4984785
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...ing-more-uncertainty-for-ttc-riders-1.4984785
I agree but Tory hasn't done much to correct the issues either, this is now on him.CBC has a good article out today on how if the Ford's hadn't come in and fucked over Toronto, Scarborough would have had a fully functioning and paid transit solution 5 years ago.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toro...ing-more-uncertainty-for-ttc-riders-1.4984785
What case ?I rest my case.
Your logic appears to be It is OK to vote for Justin because even though you recognise Justin is not smart that is OK because you think Doug Ford is also not smart ????
You should be more concerned with your own decision making process. One could place all of the politicians in a room with you & you will still be the one wearing the dunce cap
So your answer is you will vote along party lines as you feel "Liberal values" are more aligned with your moral compass and the fact the leader Justin is not smart is a secondary consideration.Go through this thread from start to finish, or have a patient friend read it for you. It’s very simple Larue, which is why a simpleton like you needs to have it repeated over and over.
Since you’re thick as a brick, I will spell it out for you. Believe it or not, I am actually more Conservative in background. But I will not only vote Liberal in the coming election (btw, you don’t vote for a PM in a Parliamentary democracy) I’ve joined the party and have already spoken about my concerns - concerns which are shared by many within and without the party. I also joined and worked with Freeland’s team to get her elected in the 2013 by-election when Linda McQuaig was the front runner. And I wasn’t just a door knocker either. The Liberals will move towards the center in the coming election. Why? Because they have to, and also because the NDP pose a diminishing threat, so are less of a factor (unlike 2015 which was their first election after making their Québec faux “breakthrough”). If they don’t, they will lose. Period. Secondly, the CPC (who have never been Conservative, except in name) - who might have also moved towards the center under a less socially conservative leader (Eg: Ambrose, Raitt, hell - even a fool like McKay would do a better job than Scheer) have remained right in the faux “populist”, “family values” netherland under Scheer. Social Conservative Parties which have no real beliefs other than a core hatred of abortion and gays run as populist/family values parties. Oh, they pretend and talk a good line - but the problem is, their parties have been infiltrated by religious kooks and nutcases who couldn’t run a lemonaid stand. They have nothing to offer in the way of good governance. In fact, the last “Conservative” Govt we had was under Chrétien.
YOU could do the same thing for the CPC, but you’re too lazy and likely too stupid. Of course you could still join and offer to stuff envelopes. Even that would help. Scheer will need it, because he was elected CPC leader to take the loss, not to become our next PM.
Now have your friend read this to you. I will await your typically idiotic reply.
Is this correct ?
The Liberals will move towards the center in the coming election. Why? Because they have to, and also because the NDP pose a diminishing threat, so are less of a factor (unlike 2015 which was their first election after making their Québec faux “breakthrough”).If they don’t, they will lose. Period.
Now here you predict and appear to hope that the Liberal party will shift their "Liberal values" which were previously set too far to the left out of political expediency and the need to obtain power
How in the world is that beneficial for all Canadians?
What are the odds the not smart leader will successfully manage this transition of values after the election?
Has anyone in the party told the extremely principled Justin about this required shift in "liberal Values"?
How can you base your choice on "liberal values" hoping these "liberals values" will shift to the right?
If they do not shift will you chalk that up to a "oops" ?
Most importantly a variable value set which is determined by political expediency and the need to obtain power is a political strategy, not a true set of values
Can you not see how immoral it is to campaign on an set of values with the grand plan of shifting those values after the election ?
What value should the electorate place on a set of "variable values" with a leader who is not smart?
As for your vial hate filled diatribe on the conservative, yeah we get you Hate the Conservatives, but as explained to you many times you have other choices
WTF ??(btw, you don’t vote for a PM in a Parliamentary democracy
Says who?
Do you really need this explained to you?
The last time I checked people in a democracy are free to determine what is important to them when making up their choice of who to vote for
A persons evaluation of the party leader is most definitely one of the important criteria voters use when making their decision and many vote almost entirely based on their view of the party leader.
You will of coarse blither on about parliamentary structure and procedure, but the claim
is absolutely wrong and a pathetic excuse for voting for a foolyou don’t vote for a PM in a Parliamentary democracy
As for your vial hate filled diatribe on the conservative, yeah we get you Hate the Conservatives, but as explained to you many times you have other choices
At no point have you addressed the following question
If it is down to your primary objective to maintain power say so. That is a logical answer based uponNow explain to us why anyone would vote for / support a candidate that they think is not smart ??
However it is the absolute worse reason for someone who also claims to be driven by morality.If they don’t, they will lose. Period.
You are clueless beyond words. I vote for the party that will best govern for what I view as the long term good for our country. YMMV. That’s why it’s called a democracy. Nothing you’ve posted in this thread (and again, have somebody read my posts and your absolutely clueless replies to you slowly - I’m an optimist - maybe it will sink in after the umpteenth try) indicates that you vote for any reason other than your hatred of Trudeau. And your reasons are full of CPC talking points which were old in 2015. Up your game, although I doubt you are capable.So your answer is you will vote along party lines as you feel "Liberal values" are more aligned with your moral compass and the fact the leader Justin is not smart is a secondary consideration.
Is this correct ?
Now here you predict and appear to hope that the Liberal party will shift their "Liberal values" which were previously set too far to the left out of political expediency and the need to obtain power
How in the world is that beneficial for all Canadians?
What are the odds the not smart leader will successfully manage this transition of values after the election?
Has anyone in the party told the extremely principled Justin about this required shift in "liberal Values"?
How can you base your choice on "liberal values" hoping these "liberals values" will shift to the right?
If they do not shift will you chalk that up to a "oops" ?
Most importantly a variable value set which is determined by political expediency and the need to obtain power is a political strategy, not a true set of values
Can you not see how immoral it is to campaign on an set of values with the grand plan of shifting those values after the election ?
What value should the electorate place on a set of "variable values" with a leader who is not smart?
As for your vial hate filled diatribe on the conservative, yeah we get you Hate the Conservatives, but as explained to you many times you have other choices
WTF ??
Says who?
Do you really need this explained to you?
The last time I checked people in a democracy are free to determine what is important to them when making up their choice of who to vote for
A persons evaluation of the party leader is most definitely one of the important criteria voters use when making their decision and many vote almost entirely based on their view of the party leader.
You will of coarse blither on about parliamentary structure and procedure, but the claim is absolutely wrong and a pathetic excuse for voting for a fool
As for your vial hate filled diatribe on the conservative, yeah we get you Hate the Conservatives, but as explained to you many times you have other choices
At no point have you addressed the following question
If it is down to your primary objective to maintain power say so. That is a logical answer based upon
However it is the absolute worse reason for someone who also claims to be driven by morality.
In Post #103 you made it clear the Liberal values have to move to the right from where they are or they will lose.You are clueless beyond words. I vote for the party that will best govern for what I view as the long term good for our country. YMMV. That’s why it’s called a democracy.
You are able to shift your values primarily based on political expediency and the need to gain power, apparently without concern you are giving that power to someone you have admitted is not smart
You do this while claiming some sort of self justified moral high groundThe Liberals will move towards the center in the coming election. Why? Because ...........If they don’t, they will lose. Period.
you have a clear conflict claiming "Liberal values" are based primarily on what it takes to win and yet also trying to claim a moral superioritySecondly, the CPC have remained right in the faux “populist”, “family values” netherland under Scheer.
This clear conflict may work for you & the liberal party but How in the world can that be in the best interest of all Canadians?
Now explain to us why anyone would vote for / support a candidate that they think is not smart ??
Actually is far more pragmatic than hatred.Nothing you’ve posted in this thread (and again, have somebody read my posts and your absolutely clueless replies to you slowly - I’m an optimist - maybe it will sink in after the umpteenth try) indicates that you vote for any reason other than your hatred of Trudeau.
I know Justin is not smart & I know he is unqualified for the job. It is a big responsibility
And the results on Pipelines, taxation, financial responsibility, ethics and immigration are proving he was not ready in 2015 and he never will be ready
So again I will ask you politely
Now explain to us why anyone would vote for / support a candidate that they think is not smart ??
Justin was not smart back in 2015 & three years of damn fool decision have done nothing to change that sad reality, other than to make it clear to othersAnd your reasons are full of CPC talking points which were old in 2015. Up your game, although I doubt you are capable.
You want to return a fool to power and you are telling me to up my game ?????
That should be your message to Justin "Up your game dummy or you are going to lose and you are going to make life worse for Canadians"
Justin is a child who never grew up. All image and unicorn ideals but zero substance
I do not hate Justin Trudeau as I do not wish him any harm or ill will.
But he is definitely not up to the responsibility of the job and the worst thing that could happens is to give him another chance to make a bigger mess
After all "why keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again"
"The budget will balance itself." I thought it might have been a misquote in 2015, but no this is what he truly believes
Three years of a not smart leader is causing a lot of Canadians to take a closer look at Justin Trudeau and there is a lot of people shaking their head.
"The budget will balance itself." in particular should be enough for any rational person to realize "OK this guy has to go"
here I will give you a clue free of chargeYou are clueless beyond words.
If you hire somebody for a position with a lot of responsibility and later determine he is not very intelligent and unqualified you have a problem. That problem has to be fixed.
A team coach, a baby sitter, a teacher, a dog walker , the CEO of a company or the Prime Minister. If you hire a not smart person for any of these positions, it is a problem which needs fixing
Telling him all is OK and renewing his contract for another 4 years will end in disaster
Hopefully you will clue in, but I doubt it
And I throw in another clue for you
you may be an academic scholar on parliamentary procedure & government structure and I bet you have had some legal training, but you do not understand human nature or politics and should never lecture anyone about democracy
You should also consider reducing your word count as a lot of your statements get you in troubleyou don’t vote for a PM in a Parliamentary democracy
So again
Now explain to us why anyone would vote for / support a candidate that they think is not smart ??
