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1) In June, Mario Harel, president of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police, told a Commons committee “about 50 per cent of all handguns used in crime, that we have been able to trace, have been diverted from legal Canadian firearm owners.”

2) Creating a special buyback fund for firearms. Australia in 1996 instituted a buyback program through the National Firearms Agreement. This initiative bought over 650,000 firearms for approximately US$230-million, removing them permanently from circulation. There was a dramatic reduction in gun violence after the buyback scheme.

3) A revealing comparison is with Japan, which has an absolute ban on firearms. Japan reports an average of 0.005 firearm homicides per 100,000 people per year. Canada, by the same measure, averages 0.48, nearly 100 times that of Japan. The United States, at 3.65, is at almost 730 times the Japanese statistic.

4) After hundreds of years of letting local cantons determine gun rules, Switzerland passed its first federal regulations on guns in 1999, after the country's crime rate increased during the 1990s.
Since then, more provisions have been added to keep the country on par with EU gun laws, and gun deaths, including suicides, have continued to drop.

Enough already that innocent boys need their toys and don't punish innocent boys who need their semi-automatics and pistol playthings. No sympathy from me. Banning guns lowers gun crime. Simple fact. Plenty of proof can be found on the web. Don't be so lazy, do a little research. But little boys with their playthings do not want facts, they are little boys and want to believe in fairy tales that are promoted by gun lobbyists. And gun lobbyists write their fairy tales to ensure a steady stream of $$$$$

Awesome post. Thanks.

havingfun said:

1) In June, Mario Harel, president of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police, told a Commons committee “about 50 per cent of all handguns used in crime, that we have been able to trace, have been diverted from legal Canadian firearm owners.”

2) Creating a special buyback fund for firearms. Australia in 1996 instituted a buyback program through the National Firearms Agreement. This initiative bought over 650,000 firearms for approximately US$230-million, removing them permanently from circulation. There was a dramatic reduction in gun violence after the buyback scheme.

3) A revealing comparison is with Japan, which has an absolute ban on firearms. Japan reports an average of 0.005 firearm homicides per 100,000 people per year. Canada, by the same measure, averages 0.48, nearly 100 times that of Japan. The United States, at 3.65, is at almost 730 times the Japanese statistic.

4) After hundreds of years of letting local cantons determine gun rules, Switzerland passed its first federal regulations on guns in 1999, after the country's crime rate increased during the 1990s.
Since then, more provisions have been added to keep the country on par with EU gun laws, and gun deaths, including suicides, have continued to drop.

Enough already that innocent boys need their toys and don't punish innocent boys who need their semi-automatics and pistol playthings. No sympathy from me. Banning guns lowers gun crime. Simple fact. Plenty of proof can be found on the web. Don't be so lazy, do a little research. But little boys with their playthings do not want facts, they are little boys and want to believe in fairy tales that are promoted by gun lobbyists. And gun lobbyists write their fairy tales to ensure a steady stream of $$$$$

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First point:

No credible source.

The first person who spit out the 50% was Toronto Police Detective Rob Di Danieli followed soon after by Toronto Police Supt. Gordon Sneddon then Toronto Police Chief Mark Saunders.

None has ever provided any evidence to support the claim.

In fact, in 2017 the Toronto Police were able to trace only 20% of recovered crime guns to Canadian sources (https://thegunblog.ca/2018/08/19/tor...w-low-in-2017/)

Dennis Young has filed several FOI requests with multiple agencies, and NONE have been able to confirm the 50% number.

Not the CFC, RCMP, OPP, Toronto Police, Statistics Canada, Ministry of Public Safety to name but a few.


Second point:

Outdated information.

There are more guns in Australia now than there were pre ban. As well, handguns are still available. The CZ Shadow 2 was designed with a 4.7" barrel so it could meet Australian gun laws for IPSC shooters. Despite the fact there are more guns now, the number of gun deaths has been halved from 20 years ago.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...try-imported-record-number-firearms-year.html

Third point:

Feudal Warlord Control vs. Opening the New World

Gun control in Japan started in 1629 when it was a feudal society as a way for the Lords to ensure the population could not rise up against them. Canada and the U.S. were founded by the gun. The gun opened up North America. Invalid comparison.

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/japan.php

Fourth point:

Yet even more outdated information.

In 2016, the Swiss government DROPPED the age you can attend shooting lessons from 17 to 15. The GOVERNMENT spends MILLIONS of dollars a year subsidizing gun clubs as part of their national defence strategy. The Government is PLEASED about the increasing numbers of girls and young women participating.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/societ...-where-five-year-olds-learn-to-shoot/44018466


Banning guns does not lower crime. If it did, why is there such a problem in London, England where there is a ban?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-39578500

shack said:

Awesome post. Thanks.

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Awesome post full of LIES.

Not only are you lazy and ignorant, you're gullible. I can't believe how opinionated you are about a topic you know nothing about.

Do some proper research for crying out loud instead of depending on a guy as ignorant on the topic as you.

Look for the FACTS.

poorboy said:

Awesome post full of LIES.

Not only are you lazy and ignorant, you're gullible. I can't believe how opinionated you are about a topic you know nothing about.

Do some proper research for crying out loud instead of depending on a guy as ignorant on the topic as you.

Look for the FACTS.

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It's hard to take when you are presented with FACTS. You guys get so wound up and rant. LOL. It seems to be a very personal issue with you. You seem very belligerent. I wonder what you'd do to me with a gun in your hand. Probably more than call me names.

Maybe I am too lazy to research, but as far as Japan, who cares how long ago the restrictions were placed. The stats demonstrate what a country without guns becomes in terms of shooting deaths.

Less cars=less traffic.
Less guns=less shootings.

Suck on my barrel.

poorboy said:

First point:

No credible source.

The first person who spit out the 50% was Toronto Police Detective Rob Di Danieli followed soon after by Toronto Police Supt. Gordon Sneddon then Toronto Police Chief Mark Saunders.

None has ever provided any evidence to support the claim.

In fact, in 2017 the Toronto Police were able to trace only 20% of recovered crime guns to Canadian sources (https://thegunblog.ca/2018/08/19/tor...w-low-in-2017/)

Dennis Young has filed several FOI requests with multiple agencies, and NONE have been able to confirm the 50% number.

Not the CFC, RCMP, OPP, Toronto Police, Statistics Canada, Ministry of Public Safety to name but a few.


Second point:

Outdated information.

There are more guns in Australia now than there were pre ban. As well, handguns are still available. The CZ Shadow 2 was designed with a 4.7" barrel so it could meet Australian gun laws for IPSC shooters. Despite the fact there are more guns now, the number of gun deaths has been halved from 20 years ago.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...try-imported-record-number-firearms-year.html

Third point:

Feudal Warlord Control vs. Opening the New World

Gun control in Japan started in 1629 when it was a feudal society as a way for the Lords to ensure the population could not rise up against them. Canada and the U.S. were founded by the gun. The gun opened up North America. Invalid comparison.

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/japan.php

Fourth point:

Yet even more outdated information.

In 2016, the Swiss government DROPPED the age you can attend shooting lessons from 17 to 15. The GOVERNMENT spends MILLIONS of dollars a year subsidizing gun clubs as part of their national defence strategy. The Government is PLEASED about the increasing numbers of girls and young women participating.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/societ...-where-five-year-olds-learn-to-shoot/44018466


Banning guns does not lower crime. If it did, why is there such a problem in London, England where there is a ban?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-39578500

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There is no point having a discussion with you. You do not use reason or facts. Your points are just nonsense. You throw out red herrings to exhaust anybody trying to discuss this topic with you.

Japan has strict control and a low murder rate by gun. That is the fact. Your "1629" and "The gun opened up North American" are red herrings, meaningless rubbish meant to change the focus. Gun control = low gun crime rate. The rubbish you spew does not do away with the fact.

Or more nonsense, for example, your point about the UK. Here are the facts:

1) Gun ownership in the U.K. is far lower than in the U.S. as well. On average, Britain has 6.5 guns per 100 people, compared to America, which has 101 guns per 100 people, according to the Small Arms Survey.

2) The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.

3) In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures.

I will not refute all the other nonsense and red herrings you use. There is no point because you will offer an endless stream of drivel. You are not capable of reason and swallow the KoolAid from thegunblog.ca and other such propaganda sites. Think man, why does the gun lobby offer up this rubbish. $$$$$ They care not a whit about the murder rate. The majority of Canadians do care.

"69% of Canadians support outright ban on guns in urban areas:"

The average Canadian has an investment in lowering the murder rate, the average gun lobbyist has an investment in selling more guns. The gun lobbyist cannot use facts so they use red herrings, fairy tales (Japanese feudal Lords? Really?) and pure nonsense to buttress their case.

havingfun said:

There is no point having a discussion with you. You do not use reason or facts. Your points are just nonsense. You throw out red herrings to exhaust anybody trying to discuss this topic with you.

Japan has strict control and a low murder rate by gun. That is the fact. Your "1629" and "The gun opened up North American" are red herrings, meaningless rubbish meant to change the focus. Gun control = low gun crime rate. The rubbish you spew does not do away with the fact.

Or more nonsense, for example, your point about the UK. Here are the facts:

1) Gun ownership in the U.K. is far lower than in the U.S. as well. On average, Britain has 6.5 guns per 100 people, compared to America, which has 101 guns per 100 people, according to the Small Arms Survey.

2) The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.

3) In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures.

I will not refute all the other nonsense and red herrings you use. There is no point because you will offer an endless stream of drivel. You are not capable of reason and swallow the KoolAid from thegunblog.ca and other such propaganda sites. Think man, why does the gun lobby offer up this rubbish. $$$$$ They care not a whit about the murder rate. The majority of Canadians do care.

"69% of Canadians support outright ban on guns in urban areas:"

The average Canadian has an investment in lowering the murder rate, the average gun lobbyist has an investment in selling more guns. The gun lobbyist cannot use facts so they use red herrings, fairy tales and pure nonsense to buttress their case.

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No red herrings in my postings. I provided links to where I got my information and searchable terms. Not only that, but the information is current. Unlike the information you originally quoted.

If the gun didn't open up North America, explain what did? Do you think settlers and traders just negotiated their way onto Indian lands? I don't think any of the history books support that. Might want to look up the Indian Wars. You don't think that it has any bearing on how the two countries got their gun culture?


Gun control does not equal low crime rate.


It doesn't explain how Canada with the 7th highest rate of gun ownership but doesn't even crack the top 10 for gun murders. Doesn't explain the low murder rate in any of the Nordic countries either which have high gun ownership rates. It should be a warzone over there with the number of guns the people in those countries own.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Your statement about how the gun lobby groups work also shows your ignorance. Name some or even one of the companies that support the gun lobby groups in Canada for me. Provide the name of the company and the name of the lobby group. Once you find the name a company and the lobby group they support, ask yourself how much $$$ that company can afford to dump into the lobby group. Once you do that, hopefully you'll discover along the way how the gun lobby groups work in Canada.

shack said:

It's hard to take when you are presented with FACTS. You guys get so wound up and rant. LOL. It seems to be a very personal issue with you. You seem very belligerent. I wonder what you'd do to me with a gun in your hand. Probably more than call me names.

Maybe I am too lazy to research, but as far as Japan, who cares how long ago the restrictions were placed. The stats demonstrate what a country without guns becomes in terms of shooting deaths.

Less cars=less traffic.
Less guns=less shootings.

Suck on my barrel.

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If you bothered to do any research, which is your constant downfall, you'd discover that licensed gun owners are some of the most law abiding citizens in Canada. If they have a gun license, it means that they do not have a criminal record for violent crimes, or even most property crimes and have given the government permission to be checked by police databases every day.

Same with the U.S. In fact a concealed carry gun license holder in the U.S. is less likely than a police officer to commit a crime.

https://www.heraldnet.com/opinion/concealed-carry-permit-holdres-are-law-abiding/

Let's not let any licensing requirements set out by the Government of Canada or referenced facts get in the way of your opinion though.

poorboy said:

If you bothered to do any research, which is your constant downfall, you'd discover that licensed gun owners are some of the most law abiding citizens in Canada.
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LMAO. You really don't get it do you. Use facts not fairy tales about all those innocent boys with their gun toys. My facts not recent enough for you? This is from July 2018.

from: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/guns-domestic-danforth-shooting-toronto-1.4759159

Legal Canadian gun owners are selling their weapons illegally, Di Danieli said, noting that police have seen more than 40 such cases in recent years.

They go get their licence for the purpose of becoming a firearms trafficker," Di Danieli said. "A lot of people are so ready to blame the big bad Americans, but we had our own little problem here.

The allure of a quick sell at a high profit margin is one reason legal owners might sell their guns. One man sold 47 guns and made over $100,000 in a five month period, the detective said.

The number of guns obtained legally in Canada but are then sold to people who use them for criminal purposes has surged dramatically in recent years compared to firearms smuggled from the United States, Toronto police say.

Before 2012, about 75 per cent of the firearms were trafficked from the United States. By 2017, however, about half originated from domestic sources, putting an end to the idea that most of Canada's illegal guns come from across the border, Det. Rob Di Danieli of the guns and gangs unit said.


OR let's get away from statistics. How about some specifics:

The awful Dawson College, Concordia University and École Polytechnique massacres in Montreal were all committed with weapons purchased legally.

The La Loche, Sask., school shootings in 2016 and the Edmonton gun massacre of 2014 involved legal firearms taken by the shooters from their neighbours.


Does every death by your innocent boys with toys have to be listed here. You don't have an argument. Just fairy tales, red herrings and nonsense.

Nonsense, you're endless recitation of the "opening" up of North America by the gun. That has nothing to do with implementing gun control in present day Canada. And it is nonsense. The gun did not open up Canada. If you are implying the gun was used to vanquish the native population, even that is nonsense. Disease, my friend, blankets laced with smallpox did that job.


According to Noble David Cook, a community of scholars have recently, albeit slowly, "been quietly accumulating piece by piece data on early epidemics in the Americas and their relation to subjugation of native peoples." They now believe that widespread epidemic disease, to which the natives had no prior exposure or resistance, was the primary cause of the massive population decline of the Native Americans.[25]


But that is one of your red herrings. It has nothing to do with the point that gun control saves lives.

havingfun said:

LMAO. You really don't get it do you. Use facts not fairy tales about all those innocent boys with their gun toys. My facts not recent enough for you? This is from July 2018.

from: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/guns-domestic-danforth-shooting-toronto-1.4759159

Legal Canadian gun owners are selling their weapons illegally, Di Danieli said, noting that police have seen more than 40 such cases in recent years.

They go get their licence for the purpose of becoming a firearms trafficker," Di Danieli said. "A lot of people are so ready to blame the big bad Americans, but we had our own little problem here.

The allure of a quick sell at a high profit margin is one reason legal owners might sell their guns. One man sold 47 guns and made over $100,000 in a five month period, the detective said.

The number of guns obtained legally in Canada but are then sold to people who use them for criminal purposes has surged dramatically in recent years compared to firearms smuggled from the United States, Toronto police say.

Before 2012, about 75 per cent of the firearms were trafficked from the United States. By 2017, however, about half originated from domestic sources, putting an end to the idea that most of Canada's illegal guns come from across the border, Det. Rob Di Danieli of the guns and gangs unit said.


OR let's get away from statistics. How about some specifics:

The awful Dawson College, Concordia University and École Polytechnique massacres in Montreal were all committed with weapons purchased legally.

The La Loche, Sask., school shootings in 2016 and the Edmonton gun massacre of 2014 involved legal firearms taken by the shooters from their neighbours.


You don't have an argument. Just fairy tales, red herrings and nonsense.

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What's funny is you're the one throwing out the red herrings.

Di Danieli cannot substantiate his claims. Go back and read one of my previous posts that mentions Di Danieli and the exhaustive efforts made to find the non existent source data.

You provided outdated information on Australia and Switzerland.

You made a claim about how gun lobbying works in Canada which is false because you assumed it works the same as the lobby groups in the U.S.

What's even funnier is you trash the gunblog.ca that did provide a credible reference to actual Toronto Police data.

Here's also a fact for you. The government made the AR15 restricted after the Montreal shooting, but the Mini 14, which was used, is still non restricted.

Here's another fact for you. A shotgun was used at La Loche. Shotguns have never been considered for any type of ban and are often the last to be considered when tightening any regulations.

Disease did decimate the native population, but it was not responsible for their subjugation. You keep forgetting about the Indian wars.

Since you're cherry picking from Wikipedia, I'll add this: Conflict and outright warfare with Western European newcomers and other American tribes further reduced populations and disrupted traditional societies. The extent and causes of the decline have long been a subject of academic debate, along with its characterization as a genocide

Please show my 40 front page new stories of legal gun owners selling to the black market because the media WOULD make it front page news ill save you the effort you WONT find 40 cases

every single transfer of a restricted or prohibited firearm (handguns and many semi auto rifles/subguns) have to be run through the CFO (chief provincial firearms officer in your province) If you were to buy several guns at a time or in a short period you get a call and if they approve the transfer you often get a home vist to verify you actually have the firearms, you WILL get caught the guns are registered to you so sooner or later you get caught. the Indians were wiped out by firearms and other methods hunting wiped out food sources and rifles were used to get the natives to move or wipe them out esp in the USA

why the focus on firearms death?s there was what 9k + overdose deaths in Canada last year? how many traffic deaths??

Japan has low firearms deaths true but suicides by other methods and murders by other methods are very high but as long as a gun was not used that's ok right??....no dead is dead

England is pushing for a knife ban as stabbings are WAY up but then again no gun so its ok??

havingfun said:

LMAO. You really don't get it do you. Use facts not fairy tales about all those innocent boys with their gun toys. My facts not recent enough for you? This is from July 2018.

from: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/guns-domestic-danforth-shooting-toronto-1.4759159

Legal Canadian gun owners are selling their weapons illegally, Di Danieli said, noting that police have seen more than 40 such cases in recent years.

They go get their licence for the purpose of becoming a firearms trafficker," Di Danieli said. "A lot of people are so ready to blame the big bad Americans, but we had our own little problem here.

The allure of a quick sell at a high profit margin is one reason legal owners might sell their guns. One man sold 47 guns and made over $100,000 in a five month period, the detective said.

The number of guns obtained legally in Canada but are then sold to people who use them for criminal purposes has surged dramatically in recent years compared to firearms smuggled from the United States, Toronto police say.

Before 2012, about 75 per cent of the firearms were trafficked from the United States. By 2017, however, about half originated from domestic sources, putting an end to the idea that most of Canada's illegal guns come from across the border, Det. Rob Di Danieli of the guns and gangs unit said.


OR let's get away from statistics. How about some specifics:

The awful Dawson College, Concordia University and École Polytechnique massacres in Montreal were all committed with weapons purchased legally.

The La Loche, Sask., school shootings in 2016 and the Edmonton gun massacre of 2014 involved legal firearms taken by the shooters from their neighbours.


Does every death by your innocent boys with toys have to be listed here. You don't have an argument. Just fairy tales, red herrings and nonsense.

Nonsense, you're endless recitation of the "opening" up of North America by the gun. That has nothing to do with implementing gun control in present day Canada. And it is nonsense. The gun did not open up Canada. If you are implying the gun was used to vanquish the native population, even that is nonsense. Disease, my friend, blankets laced with smallpox did that job.


According to Noble David Cook, a community of scholars have recently, albeit slowly, "been quietly accumulating piece by piece data on early epidemics in the Americas and their relation to subjugation of native peoples." They now believe that widespread epidemic disease, to which the natives had no prior exposure or resistance, was the primary cause of the massive population decline of the Native Americans.[25]


But that is one of your red herrings. It has nothing to do with the point that gun control saves lives.

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havingfun said:

1) In June, Mario Harel, president of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police, told a Commons committee “about 50 per cent of all handguns used in crime, that we have been able to trace, have been diverted from legal Canadian firearm owners.”

2) Creating a special buyback fund for firearms. Australia in 1996 instituted a buyback program through the National Firearms Agreement. This initiative bought over 650,000 firearms for approximately US$230-million, removing them permanently from circulation. There was a dramatic reduction in gun violence after the buyback scheme.

3) A revealing comparison is with Japan, which has an absolute ban on firearms. Japan reports an average of 0.005 firearm homicides per 100,000 people per year. Canada, by the same measure, averages 0.48, nearly 100 times that of Japan. The United States, at 3.65, is at almost 730 times the Japanese statistic.

4) After hundreds of years of letting local cantons determine gun rules, Switzerland passed its first federal regulations on guns in 1999, after the country's crime rate increased during the 1990s.
Since then, more provisions have been added to keep the country on par with EU gun laws, and gun deaths, including suicides, have continued to drop.

Enough already that innocent boys need their toys and don't punish innocent boys who need their semi-automatics and pistol playthings. No sympathy from me. Banning guns lowers gun crime. Simple fact. Plenty of proof can be found on the web. Don't be so lazy, do a little research. But little boys with their playthings do not want facts, they are little boys and want to believe in fairy tales that are promoted by gun lobbyists. And gun lobbyists write their fairy tales to ensure a steady stream of $$$$$

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Informative post, but how applicable is it to the current homicidal gun play right here in Toronto, not even the GTA ? The Toronto gangbangers responsible for these murders have detached themselves from "mainstream" and as a result, their activities are mutually exclusive from all four of your points . Furthermore, there exists a community wall of silence with respect to assisting the police in solving the murders. They are like a super infection resistant to all known medicines for a cure.

havingfun said:

1) In June, Mario Harel, president of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police, told a Commons committee “about 50 per cent of all handguns used in crime, that we have been able to trace, have been diverted from legal Canadian firearm owners.”

2) Creating a special buyback fund for firearms. Australia in 1996 instituted a buyback program through the National Firearms Agreement. This initiative bought over 650,000 firearms for approximately US$230-million, removing them permanently from circulation. There was a dramatic reduction in gun violence after the buyback scheme.

3) A revealing comparison is with Japan, which has an absolute ban on firearms. Japan reports an average of 0.005 firearm homicides per 100,000 people per year. Canada, by the same measure, averages 0.48, nearly 100 times that of Japan. The United States, at 3.65, is at almost 730 times the Japanese statistic.

4) After hundreds of years of letting local cantons determine gun rules, Switzerland passed its first federal regulations on guns in 1999, after the country's crime rate increased during the 1990s.
Since then, more provisions have been added to keep the country on par with EU gun laws, and gun deaths, including suicides, have continued to drop.

Enough already that innocent boys need their toys and don't punish innocent boys who need their semi-automatics and pistol playthings. No sympathy from me. Banning guns lowers gun crime. Simple fact. Plenty of proof can be found on the web. Don't be so lazy, do a little research. But little boys with their playthings do not want facts, they are little boys and want to believe in fairy tales that are promoted by gun lobbyists. And gun lobbyists write their fairy tales to ensure a steady stream of $$$$$

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I think you are dreaming in technicolor when you mention the EU. Yes they have tighter gun laws than what we have, BUT THAT’S for lawful gun owners. Look at the Charlie Hebdo attack, they had fucking automatic AK-47s, look at any of the attacks in Europe all with automatic weapons. Organized crime have all the guns they want....and guess what these are all banned and yet readily accessible. Don’t mention Australia because it’s an island in the middle of nowhere. You want to stop the shootings here, deal with the problem causing it, don’t simply go after low hanging fruit which are legal gun owners.......and by the way, that 50% of guns from domestic sources. That reference is to how many guns they were able to trace, meaning they didn’t have the markings removed.

This is probably really rare in Japan. Attempted mass murder by car.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/31/asia/tokyo-new-years-eve-car-incident-harajuku-intl/index.html

https://globalnews.ca/news/4428617/matt-gurney-toronto-gun-crime-statistics/

A true analysis of the data shows that the vast majority of guns (80+%) seized in crime cannot be traced to either the US or Canada. Wonder why that key piece of information was withheld?
They make it sound like there is a mass problem of legal gun owners selling guns illegally to criminals in Canada. To quote them '40 such cases in recent years'. How many recent years - 1? 2? 5? 10? Doesn't sound like much of a problem to me.

havingfun said:

Legal Canadian gun owners are selling their weapons illegally, Di Danieli said, noting that police have seen more than 40 such cases in recent years.

They go get their licence for the purpose of becoming a firearms trafficker," Di Danieli said. "A lot of people are so ready to blame the big bad Americans, but we had our own little problem here.

The allure of a quick sell at a high profit margin is one reason legal owners might sell their guns. One man sold 47 guns and made over $100,000 in a five month period, the detective said.

The number of guns obtained legally in Canada but are then sold to people who use them for criminal purposes has surged dramatically in recent years compared to firearms smuggled from the United States, Toronto police say.

Before 2012, about 75 per cent of the firearms were trafficked from the United States. By 2017, however, about half originated from domestic sources, putting an end to the idea that most of Canada's illegal guns come from across the border, Det. Rob Di Danieli of the guns and gangs unit said.

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Di Danieli is a fucking liar. Matt Gurney tried to reach him, but he's now remarkably silent.

He's conflating long guns into handguns.

A person cannot legally buy 47 handguns in a 5 month period, because each restricted firearm transfer (that includes handguns) from gun store to purchaser must be approved by the Ontario Chief Firearms Officer (OPP) who would have turned down the transfer applications after the first 3. In fact, they would have sent an OPP officer to investigate why this person needed more than 3 handguns. If he had already sold the first few handguns illegally, then the visiting OPP would have arrested him for not having declared missing firearms.

Of maybe the CFO did not do their job, as required under the Firearms Act.... which I don't find likely.

What that asshole Di Danieli was on about were long guns. Although you need a firearms license to buy them, the gun store does not need CFO authorization to hand them over to you, the holder of a firearms license. Remember that most shootings in Toronto are with handguns, and not long guns. So what's this about banning handguns?

As was mentioned before, only 20% of recovered 'guns' are identified as coming either from Canada or the US. What the Toronto Police Service have been doing is ASSUMING that the rest (80%) come equally from the US and Canada, hence the allegation that half come from Canada, and from Canadian firearms licensees.

And one more thing: It is said that you don't have to check to see if the buyer of your firearm has a firearms license. This is incorrect. Selling ANY firearm to an unlicensed person leads to a charge of firearms trafficking, which gets you a typical sentence of 8 years in prison. Since Canadian firearms licensees are 3 times less likely of breaking the law (any law) than the average person, it is highly unlikely that legal gun owners in Canada sell to criminals.

basketcase said:

Right. No one ever complains that cars have to be registered and insured and owners must pass a test to get a licence.

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All legal handguns are registered and their owners are required to have a firearms license.

There is no argument here about whether handguns need to be registered and whether their owners need to have a firearms license.

A restricted firearms licensee applicant needs to pass a 2 day course, and submit to a police background check. You don't get a license if you have a violent past and/or you have a criminal record.

A restricted licensee then gets a background check in the Canadian Police Information Centre database 365 times a year.

Phil C. McNasty said:

3 separate shootings in the last 12 hours

https://www.cp24.com/news/vehicles-...ter-exchange-of-gunfire-in-east-end-1.4240213

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There you have it. More legal gun owners shooting up the city. Where's the gun ban when you need it. (Sarcasm)