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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by havingfun View Post
    1) In June, Mario Harel, president of the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police, told a Commons committee ďabout 50 per cent of all handguns used in crime, that we have been able to trace, have been diverted from legal Canadian firearm owners.Ē
    Did you even read this?

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4428617/m...me-statistics/



    Toronto Police Serviceís statistics. That look like 50-50 to you?

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil C. McNasty View Post
    Is it my imagination or are these shootings here in the GTA getting worse??
    It seems we have a shooting almost every day now.

    We had one on Christmas Eve: https://torontosun.com/news/crime/ma...-christmas-eve
    And another one today, boxing day: https://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...finch-shooting

    The gangbangers were nice enough to take a break on Christmas day.

    So whats the solution??
    I get your concern. Fortunately, it's mostly shitheads just killing shitheads. It sucks that innocent people do sometimes get caught up in it and get hurt/injured, but aside from patrolling well known gang areas, and retaliation spots when initial shootings happen, there's honestly not too much that can be done. I will say that the number has gone up since carding was abolished though.

    I know the number has gone up, but in the grand scheme of things it's still not THAT bad. Think about how many people live in the GTA. Obviously if the police were given unlimited resources and power, things would be different. Trust me though, given what they have, they are doing the best they can.

  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by Thrillah View Post
    I get your concern. Fortunately, it's mostly shitheads just killing shitheads. It sucks that innocent people do sometimes get caught up in it and get hurt/injured, but aside from patrolling well known gang areas, and retaliation spots when initial shootings happen, there's honestly not too much that can be done. I will say that the number has gone up since carding was abolished though.

    I know the number has gone up, but in the grand scheme of things it's still not THAT bad. Think about how many people live in the GTA. Obviously if the police were given unlimited resources and power, things would be different. Trust me though, given what they have, they are doing the best they can
    I more or less agree with you. When gangbangers are knocking each other off it only saves taxpayers a lot of money in future court costs.

    It does however reflect bad on the city when there's bullets flying around every day.
    Its just a matter of time before we have another Jane Creba situation

  4. #124
    Excuse me for sounding crass, for the most part the shootings are simply a thinning of the herd. As long as they are killing each other who cares, it’s one less douchebag we have to house in prison. Let’s face it, the majority of the shootings are gang on gang shootings.

  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil C. McNasty View Post
    Its just a matter of time before we have another Jane Creba situation
    Or another Dellen Millard.

  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Orion1027 View Post
    Excuse me for sounding crass, for the most part the shootings are simply a thinning of the herd. As long as they are killing each other who cares, itís one less douchebag we have to house in prison. Letís face it, the majority of the shootings are gang on gang shootings.
    The problem is that they have bad aim.

    Aria Alexander

  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by The "Bone" Ranger View Post
    The problem is that they have bad aim.
    Really bad aim!

  8. #128
    Quote Originally Posted by wilbur View Post
    All legal handguns are registered and their owners are required to have a firearms license.

    There is no argument here about whether handguns need to be registered and whether their owners need to have a firearms license.

    A restricted firearms licensee applicant needs to pass a 2 day course, and submit to a police background check. You don't get a license if you have a violent past and/or you have a criminal record.

    A restricted licensee then gets a background check in the Canadian Police Information Centre database 365 times a year.
    And as I've said repeatedly I have little issue with Canadian gun laws. We hit a reasonable balance.

    What I don't like is that most of the terb gun lobby object to the idea of registration as a plot by "gun grabbers" but have no issue with the potential "car grabbers".

  9. #129
    2 people shot around Queen & Woodbine an hour ago.

    Its live on CP24 right now

  10. #130
    Quote Originally Posted by basketcase View Post
    And as I've said repeatedly I have little issue with Canadian gun laws. We hit a reasonable balance.

    What I don't like is that most of the terb gun lobby object to the idea of registration as a plot by "gun grabbers" but have no issue with the potential "car grabbers".
    Remind me when the last time a vehicle registry was utilized as a knee jerk, political tool. Did they suddenly reclassify cube vans as "assault vehicles" and try to restrict or prohibit their ownership and use after an attack?

  11. #131
    Quote Originally Posted by cunning linguist View Post
    Remind me when the last time a vehicle registry was utilized as a knee jerk, political tool. Did they suddenly reclassify cube vans as "assault vehicles" and try to restrict or prohibit their ownership and use after an attack?
    Now your claim is that registration doesn't bother you, just that it's being proposed to stop gun crime? And no, we don't need to promote vehicle registration after a van attack because it already exists.

    p.s. the same complaints were used about vehicle registration a hundred years ago.

  12. #132
    This is how a lot of guns are getting through: https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...to-canada.html

  13. #133
    Quote Originally Posted by Thrillah View Post
    I. Obviously if the police were given unlimited resources and power, things would be different. Trust me though, given what they have, they are doing the best they can.
    "Police alone cannot eliminate gun violence. If it was possible to arrest your way out of this problem, the United States would have the lowest homicide rate in the developed world. Per capita, the U.S. has 50 per cent more police officers than Canada and 500 per cent more people in jail, but its homicide rate is 400 per cent higher than ours."

    https://www.thestar.com/opinion/cont...lence-yes.html

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    Quite simply the gun violence in the GTA cannot be reduced in a free society with a generous nanny state and the current socio-economic mix coupled with us bordering with a gun happy nation to the south. Things will actually get worse moving forward. Actions like the million man march in American, orchestrated by the people for the people will do much more than LE or politicians who's hands are tied.
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  15. #135
    Quote Originally Posted by lomotil View Post
    Quite simply the gun violence in the GTA cannot be reduced in a free society with a generous nanny state and the current socio-economic mix coupled with us bordering with a gun happy nation to the south. Things will actually get worse moving forward. Actions like the million man march in American, orchestrated by the people for the people will do much more than LE or politicians who's hands are tied.
    Strange thing is that the societies that have truly generous social programs have the lowest crime rates. Strong social programs are not the problem, they are a big part of the solution.

  16. #136
    Quote Originally Posted by basketcase View Post
    Now your claim is that registration doesn't bother you, just that it's being proposed to stop gun crime? And no, we don't need to promote vehicle registration after a van attack because it already exists.

    p.s. the same complaints were used about vehicle registration a hundred years ago.
    Dodge noted.

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  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by cunning linguist View Post
    Dodge noted.
    When was the last year that cars were used in attempts to kill or injure 426 times in Toronto?

  19. #139
    Quote Originally Posted by basketcase View Post
    Now your claim is that registration doesn't bother you, just that it's being proposed to stop gun crime? And no, we don't need to promote vehicle registration after a van attack because it already exists.

    p.s. the same complaints were used about vehicle registration a hundred years ago.
    Gun crime in Toronto is with handguns and handguns are still required to be registered to their licensed owners. In fact, they have since 1937.

    The only reason to register cars is to allow them on public roads and to permit police to identify them without stopping them first.

    A car is not required to be registered if it's not driven on public roads.

    Registering a rifle does not allow it to be identified from a distance. Registration of rifles did not depend on where they were used.

    Cars and Rifles? It was apples and oranges.

  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil C. McNasty View Post
    "The judge gave Jackson two years and 3.5 months credit for time served in pretrial custody, including four months for the harsh conditions he experienced during lockdowns in jail."

    Prisons in Canada are like holiday resorts compared to US prisons. The Canadian justice system coddles these criminals. He would have got at least a 20 year sentence in the US, and no time credited for 'harsh conditions'.

    The Canadian courts are partially responsible for the rising gun crime in Canada, because they don't really punish.

    So did Canadian authorities contact the US BATF/FBI so he could be prosecuted upon deportation at the end of his Canadian sentence for straw purchasing, illegal export and conspiracy in the US? Probably not. In fact, we should get rid of this trash and let the US deal with him in their own way, and let the Canadian taxpayer off the hook for his incarceration.

    In any case, Ontario Crown prosecutors usually drop all gun charges when dealing with gangbangers so they can get an easy plea bargain and dispose of the case rapidly. They're back om the street in no time laughing at the system.

  21. #141
    Quote Originally Posted by basketcase View Post
    When was the last year that cars were used in attempts to kill or injure 426 times in Toronto?
    How many of those involved licensed gun owners?

  22. #142
    4 people murdered in Toronto in the first 11 days in 2019. I think 3 were shot and 1 was stabbed. Several others were shot but survived. 2019 could be worse than 2018 which was the worse in history.

    Unless locked, this could be a long thread.

  23. #143
    3 separate shootings last night, one person dead:

    https://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...rate-shootings

    One man was killed, another is fighting for his life and a third walked into hospital with gunshot wounds after three separate overnight shootings in the city.

    Toronto Police say the deadly shooting — the city’s fourth murder in six days — unfolded just after midnight Saturday at 100 Dundalk Dr., near Kennedy Rd. and Hwy. 401 in Scarborough.

    Officers arrived at the highrise and located a man suffering from multiple gunshot wounds.

    The man, whose name and age were not immediately released, was pronounced dead at the scene becoming the city’s fourth homicide victim of 2019.

    The apartment building and a section of a townhouse complex across the street were cordoned off with yellow crime scene tape Saturday morning.

    Police have not released any suspect description but Homicide detectives are expected to provide an update later in the day.

    Gunshots rang out again in Scarborough about half an hour later near Victoria Park and Eglinton Aves.

    Officers responded to multiple 911 calls and found empty shell casings at the scene, but no victim was located.

    However, police say a man showed up at a hospital soon after suffering from gunshot wounds.

    On Friday night, around 9 p.m., gunfire also erupted at a downtown condo near Fort York Blvd. and Bathurst St. — just north of Lake Shore Blvd. W. A man, believed to be in his 20s, was rushed to a trauma centre with gunshot wounds that were initially thought to be life-threatening

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