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Judge Sullivan told Flynn "Arguably, you sold your country out"

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Washington - In a surprise development, former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn has asked that his sentence be delayed. He was in court in Washington, D.C. Tuesday morning to be sentenced for lying to the FBI about conversations he had with Russian Envoy Sergey Kislyak. The delay will give Flynn the opportunity to cooperate further with the government, especially given the harsh words Judge Emmet Sullivan had for Flynn during his hearing, at one point wondering whether he could be charged for treason.
"Arguably, you sold your country out. The court's going to consider all that." Judge Sullivan told Flynn. "But I'm not hiding my disgust, my disdain for this criminal offense."
"I'm going to be frank with you -- this crime is very serious," Sullivan told Flynn. He noted that the crimes had been committed by a high-level security official, "in the West Wing" of the White House. The judge also said he would take Flynn's 33 years of military service into consideration, but expressed dismay that "all along, you were an unregistered agent of a foreign country while serving as the national security adviser to the United States." He was referring to Flynn's links to Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's government and his late registration as a foreign agent with the Justice Department.
Flynn's failure to register as a foreign agent was a felony that might have carried a 10-year sentence if he had been convicted, special counsel attorney Brand Van Grack told Sulllivan. But he provided substantial assistance in the indictment announced Monday of his former business associates, who were charged with crimes connected to a federal investigation into Turkey's illegal lobbying effort to pressure the U.S. to expel an enemy of Erdogan's.
Sullivan also asked Van Grack if there were other charges, besides the foreign agent registration and false statements, that could have been brought against Flynn. He wondered whether interfering with elections qualifies as "treasonous activity on his part?"
Van Grack replied that that was not a charge the special counsel had considered. But Sullivan persisted. "Hypothetically could he have been charged with treason," Sullivan asked. "I'm hesitant to answer," Van Grack said.
Early in the hearing, Sullivan asked Flynn a series of questions about his guilty plea before discussing his sentence, and he focused on a complaint raised by Flynn's attorneys in their sentencing recommendation -- that Flynn had not been notified that lying to the FBI is a crime prior to his January 2017 FBI interview.
"Do you challenge the circumstances by which you were interviewed by the FBI?" Sullivan asked him Tuesday. "No," Flynn responded.
Were you not aware that lying to FBI was a crime, Sullivan asked.
"I was aware," Flynn said.
Sullivan asked, "Do you seek an opportunity to withdraw your plea in light of those revelations?" "I do not your honor," Flynn said.
And then he asked Flynn whether he was "satisfied with your attorneys?"
"I am," Flynn responded.
Flynn affirmed that he understood and that his guilty plea stands.
In the sentencing phase of the hearing, Sullivan noted, "Mr. Flynn agreed to plead guilty to count 1," and went on to discuss the particulars of Flynn's case. Flynn lied to the FBI, he noted, "while on the physical premises of the White House." But he also acknowledged the leniency requested by the special counsel for his cooperation. Van Grack, asked by Sullivan if Flynn is continuing to cooperate, said that "it remains a possibility" that Flynn is continuing to cooperate with the government.
The special counsel's office has recommended that Flynn receive zero to six months of incarceration due to his "substantial assistance" in the investigation. He met with the special counsel 19 times as part of his agreement to cooperate with the government in its investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election. The special counsel says Flynn has been cooperating in "several ongoing investigations." Flynn helped government investigators on a "range of issues, including interactions between individuals in the Presidential Transition Team and Russia."
President Trump tweeted about Flynn's sentencing earlier Tuesday: "Good luck today in court to General Michael Flynn. Will be interesting to see what he has to say, despite tremendous pressure being put on him, about Russian Collusion in our great and, obviously, highly successful political campaign. There was no Collusion!"
Flynn's attorneys think he should receive probation and community service and be spared prison time, out of respect for his decades of military service and his "genuine contrition for the uncharacteristic error in judgment that brought him before this court."
On Monday, the judge in the case, Emmet Sullivan, ruled that the interview notes from Flynn's first interview with the FBI, conducted by agent Peter Strzok, had to be released to the public, an order the special counsel complied with Monday evening.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/michae...-administration-live-stream-today-2018-12-18/
 

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The Judge came back after lunch and from the bench said that some of statements and questions had been misleading and that he was NOT implying that General Flynn had behaved treasonously.

The Judge withdrew some of his characterization of Flynn as a foreign agent, noting that General Flynn appeared to have ended his work for Turkey in November 2016 – when he was still a Trump adviser, but before his White House tenure. “I felt terrible about [having said] that" At the same time he said “I’m not suggesting he committed treason."

"Lying to the FBI" particularly when the FBI Agents involved didn't feel General Flynn was lying is different from saying that he shouldn't have been speaking with the Russian Ambassador. Further, the most serious of these charges is having been an unregistered agent of the Turkish government.

There goes the title of this thread.
 

toguy5252

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The Judge came back after lunch and from the bench said that some of his questions had been statements and questions had been misleading and that he was NOT implying that General Flynn had behaved treasonously.

The Judge withdrew some of his characterization of Flynn as a foreign agent, noting that General Flynn appeared to have ended his work for Turkey in November 2016 – when he was still a Trump adviser, but before his White House tenure. “I felt terrible about [having said] that" At the same time he said “I’m not suggesting he committed treason."

"Lying to the FBI" particularly when the FBI Agents involved didn't feel General Flynn was lying is different from saying that he shouldn't have been speaking with the Russian Ambassador. Further, the most serious of these charges is having been an unregistered agent of the Turkish government.

There goes the title of this thread.
Not at all. He made those comments. He then decided that they were injudicious which they wer. Does not change the opinions he expressed.
 

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... and then he back peddled. And he failed to pass a sentence. I've never seen such circus.
 

toguy5252

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... and then he back peddled. And he failed to pass a sentence. I've never seen such circus.
He said that he had made remarks which were injudicious. Not wrong. I understand that the adjournment was at the request of Flynn. The only comical part was the PGOTUS wishing someone who had pleaded guilty to felonies good luck.
 

jcpro

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He said that he had made remarks which were injudicious. Not wrong. I understand that the adjournment was at the request of Flynn. The only comical part was the PGOTUS wishing someone who had pleaded guilty to felonies good luck.
LOL! That is one version of reality.
 

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He said that he had made remarks which were injudicious. Not wrong. I understand that the adjournment was at the request of Flynn. The only comical part was the PGOTUS wishing someone who had pleaded guilty to felonies good luck.
If you read the meaning of the word injudicious, it pretty well means wrong.
 

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... and then he back peddled. And he failed to pass a sentence. I've never seen such circus.
He gave Flynn the opportunity to say he was entrapped or that he was guilty, but Flynn just admitted he was guilty of lying.
The judge also gave Flynn the opportunity to cooperate more with Mueller, in exchange for a more lenient sentence.
Otherwise Flynn would be behind bars.
 

Aardvark154

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He gave Flynn the opportunity to say he was entrapped or that he was guilty, but Flynn just admitted he was guilty of lying.
There is a strong legal argument to be made both that General Flynn was entrapped and that he is being coerced.

Meanwhile General Flynn owes three MILLION dollars in legal fees and was forced to sell his house. Are you so naïve as to not see the pressure, given that the Special Counsel was recommending no imprisonment, for the General to agree to the plea deal and at least be out from under further legal costs!
 

toguy5252

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If you read the meaning of the word injudicious, it pretty well means wrong.
Not at all. It means unwise or showing poor judgement. Inappropriate in the circumstances for a judge. It does not mean what he said was wrong although it may have been wrong to say.
 

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There is a strong legal argument to be made both that General Flynn was entrapped and that he is being coerced.
LOL...NO THERE ISN’T.

Bringing Fox News spin into the court room is what pissed the judge off and caused him to rip Flynn a new asshole.

Hahahahaha...keep trying, tho.
 

Frankfooter

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Putting a link to where you said the same thing isn't an argument, its just repetition of a debunked statement.

Flynn's legal team screwed up big time.

Indeed, it was Flynn’s team who raised the issue in the first place in advance of sentencing, resulting in a blunt response to the contrary from Special Counsel Robert Mueller. One section of Kelner’s memorandum explaining why probation was justified and appropriate was dedicated to the “nature and circumstances of the offense.” It was here that they discussed at length the FBI’s interview tactics.

On the one hand, they said that Flynn “didn’t take issue with the description of the nature and circumstances of the offense contained in the Government’s sentencing memorandum and the Presentence Investigation Report.” On the other hand, they said, “additional facts regarding the circumstances of the FBI interview” were “relevant to the Court’s consideration of a just punishment.”

What ensued were days of cable news segments and Twitter punditry about FBI “entrapment.” As the debate reached a crescendo, Judge Sullivan himself saw fit to order — on the eve of sentencing no less — the special counsel to release the FBI’s notes about the meeting.


This issue took center stage again on Tuesday. Sullivan said that he was “concerned” about the circumstances of the interview and wondered if there were “issues that may call into question [Flynn’s] guilty plea.” Sullivan then gave Flynn an opportunity to challenge the circumstances of the interview and Flynn said “No.” It was all downhill from there for the defense, raising the question of whether Team Flynn’s request for no jail time, and Mueller’s would-be satisfaction with that result, are still a possibility.

Sullivan tore into Flynn, calling his crime a “very serious one. He also slammed him for having “sold out” America.

“You were an unregistered agent of a foreign country while serving as the National Security Advisor to the president!” he said, incorrectly. “Arguably, this undermines everything this flag over here stands for! Arguably, you sold your country out!”

“I’m not hiding my disgust, my disdain, for this criminal offense,” Sullivan continued.

These are the words of an angry judge.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profil...pears-to-have-screwed-up-in-a-big-league-way/

And this was a judge that FOX was sure was going to drop the charges altogether.
Flynn, acting on behalf of Trump, sold out the US and lied to the FBI and will likely go to prison.
Like Cohen.
Like Manafort.
Like Papadopolous.

Can you detect a pattern?
 

Anbarandy

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... and then he back peddled. And he failed to pass a sentence. I've never seen such circus.
Where have u been for the almost 2 years since The Trump Circus Freaks and Sideshow pitched it's tent in Washington?
 
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