The Ford Ontario government is cutting funding for important stuff!

canada-man · Dec 16, 2018

why is Dougie cutting important programs?

The Ontario government is slashing $25 million in funding for specialized programs in elementary and secondary schools across the province.

The cut will mean the end of a number of initiatives for at-risk youth, including an after-school program run by teens in low-income areas that was established in the wake of the so-called "summer of the gun" in Toronto.

According to the city's public school board, the move will also affect programs that encouraged physical activity among students and offered in-class tutors to children, as well as supports for racialized youth.

MPP Marit Stiles, the NDP education critic, said the cut will be "deeply felt" by students across the province.

The Toronto District School Board said the cut affects 11 grants administered through a special fund known as the Education Programs — Other (EPO). It is separate from the general operating fund.

Programs that will lose funding addressed issues that were deemed to be priorities by previous provincial governments, as well as the federal government, according to the school board.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-education-programs-funding-cuts-1.4948200

Ford government cuts funding for Ontario midwives

The organization that regulates Ontario midwives says the Ford government has cut its funding.

The College of Midwives of Ontario has received annual grants from the Minister of Health and Long-Term Care for 25 years.

It was recently told those grants would no longer be provided.

“We were also advised that this decision is retroactive to April 1, 2018,” the college said in a statement on its website.

“This means that the funding we had anticipated for the current fiscal year will not be received. We received this news on November 8, 2018, eight months into our fiscal year.”

The funding cuts will not impact service. Because their work is mandated by law, it can’t cut its services and programs.

The college says it will operate with a deficit until at least 2021 and will have to find efficiencies to cut costs.

The ministry has not responded to requests for comment.

https://www.chch.com/ford-government-cuts-funding-for-ontario-midwives/

and he broke his promise to not end rent controls

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/geordie-dent/doug-ford-rent-control_a_23594985/

bver_hunter · Dec 16, 2018

canada-man said:
and he broke his promise to not end rent controls

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/geordie-dent/doug-ford-rent-control_a_23594985/

But Ford said that he was going to work to help all the people of Ontario. I cannot believe that he broke his promise!!

Charlemagne · Dec 16, 2018

Canada-man the broke alt-right guy that supports policies that don't benefit him.

canada-man · Dec 16, 2018

Charlemagne said:
Canada-man the broke alt-right guy that supports policies that don't benefit him.

i never said i was alt-right and i never voted for Doug Ford. and unlike you who spend all night on Terb i work

azeri99 · Dec 16, 2018

He should cut some programs, these are not the ones to cut, try again Dougie.

Charlemagne · Dec 16, 2018

canada-man said:
i never said i was alt-right and i never voted for Doug Ford. and unlike you who spend all night on Terb i work

Actions speak louder than word, all the bullshit you post is alt-right.

But you are broke aren't you?

canada-man · Dec 16, 2018

Charlemagne said:
Actions speak louder than word, all the bullshit you post is alt-right.

But you are broke aren't you?

unemployed Charlemagne stalked me at 1:30 am claiming I am broke

PornAddict · Dec 16, 2018

canada-man said:
why is Dougie cutting important programs?

The Ontario government is slashing $25 million in funding for specialized programs in elementary and secondary schools across the province.

The cut will mean the end of a number of initiatives for at-risk youth, including an after-school program run by teens in low-income areas that was established in the wake of the so-called "summer of the gun" in Toronto.

According to the city's public school board, the move will also affect programs that encouraged physical activity among students and offered in-class tutors to children, as well as supports for racialized youth.

MPP Marit Stiles, the NDP education critic, said the cut will be "deeply felt" by students across the province.

The Toronto District School Board said the cut affects 11 grants administered through a special fund known as the Education Programs — Other (EPO). It is separate from the general operating fund.

Programs that will lose funding addressed issues that were deemed to be priorities by previous provincial governments, as well as the federal government, according to the school board.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-education-programs-funding-cuts-1.4948200

Ford government cuts funding for Ontario midwives

The organization that regulates Ontario midwives says the Ford government has cut its funding.

The College of Midwives of Ontario has received annual grants from the Minister of Health and Long-Term Care for 25 years.

It was recently told those grants would no longer be provided.

“We were also advised that this decision is retroactive to April 1, 2018,” the college said in a statement on its website.

“This means that the funding we had anticipated for the current fiscal year will not be received. We received this news on November 8, 2018, eight months into our fiscal year.”

The funding cuts will not impact service. Because their work is mandated by law, it can’t cut its services and programs.

The college says it will operate with a deficit until at least 2021 and will have to find efficiencies to cut costs.

The ministry has not responded to requests for comment.

https://www.chch.com/ford-government-cuts-funding-for-ontario-midwives/

and he broke his promise to not end rent controls

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/geordie-dent/doug-ford-rent-control_a_23594985/

Good cut all that funding & spending !!
Need to cut the deficit to zero!!

Charlemagne · Dec 16, 2018

canada-man said:
unemployed Charlemagne stalked me at 1:30 am claiming I am broke

Yes I'm unemployed.....keep thinking that if it helps you SLEEP better at night. How ironic.

JohnLarue · Dec 17, 2018

canada-man said:
why is Dougie cutting important programs?
The Ontario government is slashing $25 million in funding for specialized programs in elementary and secondary schools across the province.

That's the end result of previous irresponsible governments (particularly the last 15 years)

The province is 3/4 of the way down bankruptcy lane
Long term economic growth > 2 to 3% is not going to happen, so cutting spending is the only viable solution now and it may be two elections too late.

Every program will have merit for someone, however hard decisions have to be made.
Hard decisions will always be second guessed
He was the only guy willing to cut spending, so the province has to live with his agenda
the other two parties were going to push the gas pedal down and speed down bankruptcy road as fast as they could (unbelievably stupid & irresponsible)

Ford is certainly not the best person for the job, however he is cutting spending and he was the best choice of three bad choices (by far)

Ref · Dec 17, 2018

canada-man said:
The Ontario government is slashing $25 million in funding for specialized programs in elementary and secondary schools across the province.

The cut will mean the end of a number of initiatives for at-risk youth, including an after-school program run by teens in low-income areas that was established in the wake of the so-called "summer of the gun" in Toronto.

According to the city's public school board, the move will also affect programs that encouraged physical activity among students and offered in-class tutors to children, as well as supports for racialized youth.

MPP Marit Stiles, the NDP education critic, said the cut will be "deeply felt" by students across the province.

The Toronto District School Board said the cut affects 11 grants administered through a special fund known as the Education Programs — Other (EPO). It is separate from the general operating fund.

Programs that will lose funding addressed issues that were deemed to be priorities by previous provincial governments, as well as the federal government, according to the school board.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-education-programs-funding-cuts-1.4948200

To put it in perspective, it is $25 million out of a $24 billion budget. The programs cut were programs that Wynn threw together last March to try and buy votes, so it is not like there was a long legacy tied to these programs.

The school boards and government will need to work smarter and find additional savings. They also need to look at things like salary freezes, ending double dipping, increasing classroom sizes, closing schools, cutting back on teachers and even eliminating JK.

The number of students has been dropping for several years and technology can now replace teachers. JK was/is a glorified day care program. Teacher competency also needs to be reviewed and non-performers terminated. Bring in younger and less expensive teachers who actually want to teach and not ride out the last decade bitterly coasting into retirement. They also need to end the ridiculous sick day program.

There are a lot of ways to trim the education budget and perhaps reallocate some funds to programs that actually make sense in this day and age (special needs, autism, etc.).

Frankfooter · Dec 17, 2018

JohnLarue said:
That's the end result of previous irresponsible governments (particularly the last 15 years)

The province is 3/4 of the way down bankruptcy lane
Long term economic growth > 2 to 3% is not going to happen, so cutting spending is the only viable solution now and it may be two elections too late.

Cut services and growth will drop another 1% or 2.
Austerity has never worked once, yet here you are still pushing that dead horse.

JohnLarue · Dec 18, 2018

Frankfooter said:
Cut services and growth will drop another 1% or 2.
Austerity has never worked once, yet here you are still pushing that dead horse.

You have to be the dumbest person alive if you think continued overspending & borrowing will not lead to a disaster

Explain to all how borrowing in perpetuity ends well?
I bet you avoid this question for two reasons.
1. It never ends well
2. You lack the intelligence to provide a persuasive response

There are Four ways to solve a massive debt problem
1. Grow revenues through economic expansion. Ontario is not going to grow greater than 2-3% over the long term. Ask an economist. They will tell you 3% is very optimistic
2. Tax more. no thanks, we are taxed enough Granny Wynne tried new "Revenue Tools" and left us with a historic debt mess.
3. Default.We may just get see how that plays out down the road, then you will see massive layoffs in the public sector & a massive slashing of services. The creditors will demand it & the courts will impose it

4. Cutting spending & dial back the size of government , while paying down debt

Millions of families have done this.
The tradition started started soon after interest on a loan was invented

Austerity has never worked once

How is that little socialist experiment working out in Venezuela?
The second largest oil reserves in the world & the population is faced with a choice between starving or leaving

What a moron!
You think belt tightening for 6 months to 2 years or until the loonies protest is Austerity ?????
If you had a the clue you would know that to fix a debt problem like Ontario has, spending has to be dialed back for a generation likely two generations in this case

You portray yourself as all knowing about economics, but it is crystal clear that you are a sheep bleating someone else's propaganda

Frankfooter · Dec 18, 2018

JohnLarue said:
You have to be the dumbest person alive if you think continued overspending & borrowing will not lead to a disaster

Explain to all how borrowing in perpetuity ends well?
I bet you avoid this question for two reasons.
1. It never ends well
2. You lack the intelligence to provide a persuasive response

There are Four ways to solve a massive debt problem
1. Grow revenues through economic expansion. Ontario is not going to grow greater than 2-3% over the long term. Ask an economist. They will tell you 3% is very optimistic
2. Tax more. no thanks, we are taxed enough Granny Wynne tried new "Revenue Tools" and left us with a historic debt mess.
3. Default.We may just get see how that plays out down the road, then you will see massive layoffs in the public sector & a massive slashing of services. The creditors will demand it & the courts will impose it

4. Cutting spending & dial back the size of government , while paying down debt

Millions of families have done this.
The tradition started started soon after interest on a loan was invented

How is that little socialist experiment working out in Venezuela?
The second largest oil reserves in the world & the population is faced with a choice between starving or leaving

What a moron!
You think belt tightening for 6 months to 2 years or until the loonies protest is Austerity ?????
If you had a the clue you would know that to fix a debt problem like Ontario has, spending has to be dialed back for a generation likely two generations in this case

You portray yourself as all knowing about economics, but it is crystal clear that you are a sheep bleating someone else's propaganda

Johnny Larue, your economic ideas are stuck in the past.
Austerity has fucked up every place its been tried, like the UK, South Africa, South America, Poland.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...vernment-failure-2018-privatisation-austerity

The answer?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/22/business/portugal-economy-austerity.html

glamphotographer · Dec 19, 2018

Well he needed the money to pimp his ride.

Frankfooter · Dec 19, 2018

For larue, hopefully the pictures make it easier for him to read:

frankcastle · Dec 19, 2018

Ref said:
To put it in perspective, it is $25 million out of a $24 billion budget. The programs cut were programs that Wynn threw together last March to try and buy votes, so it is not like there was a long legacy tied to these programs.

The school boards and government will need to work smarter and find additional savings. They also need to look at things like salary freezes, ending double dipping, increasing classroom sizes, closing schools, cutting back on teachers and even eliminating JK.

The number of students has been dropping for several years and technology can now replace teachers. JK was/is a glorified day care program. Teacher competency also needs to be reviewed and non-performers terminated. Bring in younger and less expensive teachers who actually want to teach and not ride out the last decade bitterly coasting into retirement. They also need to end the ridiculous sick day program.

There are a lot of ways to trim the education budget and perhaps reallocate some funds to programs that actually make sense in this day and age (special needs, autism, etc.).

If he's serious about saving money in education here's a few simple things

1) Get rid of the catholic board.... that will literally save billions

2) Trim down upper management.... there are quite a few principals collected well over 100K and they aren't even inside a school

3) Audit the fuck out of expense claims.... I heard on the radio that the catholic school board in Toronto spent 150 to cut ONE key, a principal's office was painted and billed for 40 hours of labour, 3 pictures were hung again with 24 hours of labour.

4) Close schools that are operating at low capacity

5) Find ways to generate income through assets e.g. after you close a school rent it out as office space

Only problem is that options 1 to 4 are political suicide

Getting rid of JK is also career suicide.... you want the average person making 40 to 50K to pay for an extra year of day care? Do you know how expensive that is?

I do agree that class size is something we can also play with. But instead of making it a hard number across the board the max should depend on the school, type of students etc. Let's face it a class in an affluent neighbourhood is likely less needy than a class in a poor neighbourhood. Also not all students are equal so if you happen to have a few autistic kids in the class maybe your class size should be smaller.

As for sick days the first 10 are paid after that it's 90% so why not get rid of sick days and just say you can take as many days off as you like but you will lose 10% for the day that you are sick.

As for pay raises why not just toss modest things like a fraction of a percent per year like 0.5% In the past they received 3% per year which is quite a bit.

Also extend the time it takes to earn max salary.

Also offer early retirement packages.

Frankfooter · Dec 19, 2018

frankcastle said:
If he's serious about saving money in education here's a few simple things

1) Get rid of the catholic board.... that will literally save billions

2) Trim down upper management.... there are quite a few principals collected well over 100K and they aren't even inside a school

3) Audit the fuck out of expense claims.... I heard on the radio that the catholic school board in Toronto spent 150 to cut ONE key, a principal's office was painted and billed for 40 hours of labour, 3 pictures were hung again with 24 hours of labour.

4) Close schools that are operating at low capacity

5) Find ways to generate income through assets e.g. after you close a school rent it out as office space

Only problem is that options 1 to 4 are political suicide

Getting rid of JK is also career suicide.... you want the average person making 40 to 50K to pay for an extra year of day care? Do you know how expensive that is?

I do agree that class size is something we can also play with. But instead of making it a hard number across the board the max should depend on the school, type of students etc. Let's face it a class in an affluent neighbourhood is likely less needy than a class in a poor neighbourhood. Also not all students are equal so if you happen to have a few autistic kids in the class maybe your class size should be smaller.

As for sick days the first 10 are paid after that it's 90% so why not get rid of sick days and just say you can take as many days off as you like but you will lose 10% for the day that you are sick.

As for pay raises why not just toss modest things like a fraction of a percent per year like 0.5% In the past they received 3% per year which is quite a bit.

Also extend the time it takes to earn max salary.

Also offer early retirement packages.

Ford's methods are also political suicide.
Its easy to sell cuts to all departments, but when you cut entire programs people get really mad.

JohnLarue · Dec 19, 2018

Frankfooter said:
Johnny Larue, your economic ideas are stuck in the past.
Austerity has fucked up every place its been tried, like the UK, South Africa, South America, Poland.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politi...vernment-failure-2018-privatisation-austerity

The answer?
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/22/business/portugal-economy-austerity.html

Stuck in the past?
WTF??

The mechanics of debt & compounding interest have not changed & nobody has every borrowed their way out of debt problem
You are still a moron

You avoided the question
Explain to all how borrowing in perpetuity ends well?
Answer the question or get lost

And you avoid the fact that austerity is required for a generation

Austerity has fucked up every place its been tried, like the UK, South Africa, South America, Poland.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...tion-austerity

Again you think a few years is all one should have to endure to fix a massive debt problem
It will take a generation of belt tighten to fix the mess Granny Wynne left

Do you understand what a generation is?

You say Portugal is the answer, yet they are making a massive mistake by returning to excessive borrowing for short term gain
Too bad for the people of Portugal that the bill always comes due

Now go sit in the corner with your dunce cap on and then think about learning some economics & common sense

JohnLarue · Dec 19, 2018

Frankfooter said:
For larue, hopefully the pictures make it easier for him to read:

You appear rather proud that you learn your economics from a cartoon
Anything without pictures is just too complex for you

Explain how borrowing in perpetuity ends well or get lost

The Ford Ontario government is cutting funding for important stuff!

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