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Possibly the end of Obamacare?

Butler1000

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A Texas judge just ruled it unconstitutional.

It will stay in place while the SCOTUS will have to hear it at some point.

I hope it's gone. It greatly increases the likelihood of a Sanders presidency and the introduction of a real single payer system.
 

danmand

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It is not the American way to take care of the sick and disadvantaged in society.
 

Knuckle Ball

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For once I actually agree with B1000. Too bad he’s just trolling.
 

jcpro

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A Texas judge just ruled it unconstitutional.

It will stay in place while the SCOTUS will have to hear it at some point.

I hope it's gone. It greatly increases the likelihood of a Sanders presidency and the introduction of a real single payer system.
You will not see a single payer system in America. Too many states will stand in the way. The ACA was a cluster fuck from the moment it was written and pushed through the Congress on a partisan vote. A legislation that amounts to fifth of the US economy cannot survive on the ideological support alone. It needs a broad federal and state scope and bipartisan support. Any bill that is pushed through on a one party vote will be over turned and/or diluted under subsequent majority. Even if it actually works and the jury is still out on a single payer system.
 

Butler1000

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You will not see a single payer system in America. Too many states will stand in the way. The ACA was a cluster fuck from the moment it was written and pushed through the Congress on a partisan vote. A legislation that amounts to fifth of the US economy cannot survive on the ideological support alone. It needs a broad federal and state scope and bipartisan support. Any bill that is pushed through on a one party vote will be over turned and/or diluted under subsequent majority. Even if it actually works and the jury is still out on a single payer system.
Actually all that is neccessary is to modify the eligibility of Medicaid. Slowly raise the income threshold every year and codify the payment schedule.

Do it's more of a budget thing than a new law thing. And that can be done.
 

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Actually all that is neccessary is to modify the eligibility of Medicaid. Slowly raise the income threshold every year and codify the payment schedule.

Do it's more of a budget thing than a new law thing. And that can be done.
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Butler1000

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Bullshit. That is an absolute lie OTB.

How do you think every other Western Nation affords it?

Just to start you will be eliminating the middle man. And an entire bureaucracy devoted to filling out insurance firms and collecting payments. You will also considerably drop malpractice insurance costs, as well the volume of suits tying up court time.

More than half of all bankruptcies in the USA are from medical bills. That ends as well.

That's just a start to the savings.


The USA spends about 40+% more per capita than other nations. And your life expectancy is lower while health issues are higher.

You really have drank the Kool aid on this one.
 

azeri99

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Bullshit. That is an absolute lie OTB.

How do you think every other Western Nation affords it?

Just to start you will be eliminating the middle man. And an entire bureaucracy devoted to filling out insurance firms and collecting payments. You will also considerably drop malpractice insurance costs, as well the volume of suits tying up court time.

More than half of all bankruptcies in the USA are from medical bills. That ends as well.

That's just a start to the savings.


The USA spends about 40+% more per capita than other nations. And your life expectancy is lower while health issues are higher.

You really have drank the Kool aid on this one.
If they raise there taxes by 25-30% they probably could pay for it. Will the citizens except this in order to fund universal health care?
 
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jcpro

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Actually all that is neccessary is to modify the eligibility of Medicaid. Slowly raise the income threshold every year and codify the payment schedule.

Do it's more of a budget thing than a new law thing. And that can be done.
Perhaps. But, single payer is not an answer, in any case. One size fits all solutions almost never work. I think that the middle class needs affordable access to health care and the answer to that dilemma will be found in the private sector instead of the government run system. Government is incapable of administering system that complex and that large. I can see it done on the state level, but a national single payer system encompassing well over 300 million people will be a nightmare of epic proportions.
 

Knuckle Ball

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Perhaps. But, single payer is not an answer, in any case. One size fits all solutions almost never work. I think that the middle class needs affordable access to health care and the answer to that dilemma will be found in the private sector instead of the government run system. Government is incapable of administering system that complex and that large. I can see it done on the state level, but a national single payer system encompassing well over 300 million people will be a nightmare of epic proportions.
Bernie can do it!
 

Butler1000

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If they raise there taxes by 25-30% they probably could pay for it. Will the citizens except this in order to fund universal health care?
Yes. But remember that the insurance costs stop. And the employers pay in instead of to insurance companies.

It's this simple. You are removing the profit margin. Ergo it's cheaper.
 

Butler1000

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Perhaps. But, single payer is not an answer, in any case. One size fits all solutions almost never work. I think that the middle class needs affordable access to health care and the answer to that dilemma will be found in the private sector instead of the government run system. Government is incapable of administering system that complex and that large. I can see it done on the state level, but a national single payer system encompassing well over 300 million people will be a nightmare of epic proportions.
Yes they can. They already administer to millions via Medicare and Medicaid. It's just a slow expansion as I said. Add more every year until everyone is covered.
 

azeri99

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Yes. But remember that the insurance costs stop. And the employers pay in instead of to insurance companies.

It's this simple. You are removing the profit margin. Ergo it's cheaper.
Most people are covered by employers already, more than half the population is covered by employer insurance about 170 million and 53 million are covered by Medicare( seniors) ,insurance would stop for only about 25% of the population and if universal health care became law employers would stop paying health care costs for their employees. That a big bill that only large tax increases would cover, I'm not so sure they would go for that.
 

jcpro

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Most people are covered by employers already, more than half the population is covered by employer insurance about 170 million and 53 million are covered by Medicare( seniors) ,insurance would stop for only about 25% of the population and if universal health care became law employers would stop paying health care costs for their employees. That a big bill that only large tax increases would cover, I'm not so sure they would go for that.
That's one of the BIG problems. A single payer system will dump millions of people into the government's lap. And if it works as well as the VA, there's going to be a severe backlash.
 

danmand

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That's one of the BIG problems. A single payer system will dump millions of people into the government's lap. And if it works as well as the VA, there's going to be a severe backlash.
What a silly argument.

Do you really believe that Americans would be unable to administer a universal health care system, when ALL other developed countries and several developing countries can do it.

If Americans are so inept at administration, I wonder how they administer the most expensive military in history.
 

azeri99

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What a silly argument.

Do you really believe that Americans would be unable to administer a universal health care system, when ALL other developed countries and several developing countries can do it.

If Americans are so inept at administration, I wonder how they administer the most expensive military in history.
It would be difficult for them, they spend so much on the military where as the rest of the civilized countries spend a fraction on military spending.
 

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No it's not they believe in Capitalism, government funded health care is Socialist.
They aren't against government funded healthcare ever heard of Medicare and Medicaid.
What they support for the majority of the population is individual choice. Obamacare threatened that. It was intentionally designed to collapse the private system and have the federal government take over. Could you imagine the boondoggle of the US federal government taking over the entire healthcare system, 16% of the entire economy? It would be rife with corruption and inefficiency.
 
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