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Did I get scammed? ethics question

Robert Mugabe

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It sounds like one of those fake charity scams where someone pays money to help out someone who is dying of cancer when they aren’t reallly sick.

The OP paid a higher price for the car than he otherwise would have based on the false belief that he was helping out someone in need. The seller was sorta in need but not to the degree that was being portrayed by her friend.

I would thus agree that the buyer got scammed here. It wasn’t a complete scam but the direness of the seller’s circumstances was certainly exaggerated.

I think the OP should tell his friend how he feels about what happened and, based on the friend’s response, decide whether or not to dump him as a friend.
nailed it
 

danmand

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I respectfully think you ought to give it up already. Sounds to me you did not need a car but thought you could give the women a low ball offer because she was in a desperate situation. Wow, it turned out she was not as desperate and that you maybe did not get a killer deal.

Get over it.
 

Doctor Zoidburg

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Friend calls me up and says his friend wants to sell her car cheap.Would I like to buy it. I don't really want or need it but find it hard to turn down a cheap car.
My old car is showing signs of needing replacement.
Frankly Mugabe, the story sounds made up to me. Are you out to score some attention? First you say you do not need the car and now you say that your current car is showing signs of needing replacement. You are modifying events to fit the situation. Whether you are a bull shitter or a fool that people can manipulate you do not make yourself look good.
 

explorerzip

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My old car is showing signs of needing replacement.
Technically speaking, all cars show signs that they need to be replaced as soon as they leave the showroom. If getting scammed is really your concern then you have to learn to look at things from a purely financial perspective, which you did not do here. You should only replace things when they actually need it i.e. the repair and / or down time costs far outweighs the replacement cost.
 

fall

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You did not get scammed. To get scammed, you should be told wrong information about the car, not the seller. It was simple "mild" negotiation technique. A "harder" negotiation would be if you were told good things about the car but were not told bad things about it. But even in this case it would not be a scam (think advertising). The only way it can be scam if you were told something good about that car that was, in fact, wrong.
 

fall

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And I am not sure why anyone who does not need a car wants to buy a car unless it is really cheap and he wants to actually use it to replace his own. And by cheap I mean cheap fro the final final customer (not for a dealer who buy with intention to resale). If you want to help some person in need - a much cheaper way is to simply give her cash. So, my guess, the topic started got a pretty good deal (in comparison with what he could have got from the dealer or on kijiji), but just unhappy that people do not tell them the whole truth (even wen such truth has nothing to do with the quality of the car)
 

NinjaBoy

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Fall (poster above): I've got a hypothetical situation.

If a girl lists she has a 120hh special. You message her for her services and she responds bj/fs. You make an appointment, get there and give her the 120. Then she proceeds with a HJ. You say lets get to the main event and the girl says sorry, the special is only for a hand job only. The girl didn't lie. You asked for services she told you her services, but purposely left out that those were her services for her regular rate. Are you telling me this is not a scam?

When you purposely leave out extremely important information that you know would change the buyers mind completely, it is a scam.
 

razor10

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You didnt get scammed...you were USED. Your friend should have just been straight up with you on why the car was being sold.

I would call your friend and ask him what that was all about and why he had to lie to you to sell the car. You need to clear the air.
 

Bmin7b5

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What your friend should of done was to give you her contact information after you expressed interest in buying the car. That would leave you and her to work out a price and he would have no further involvement. But he did not do that and I can not think of a good reason to explain that. I find that suspicious.
 

fall

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Fall (poster above): I've got a hypothetical situation.

If a girl lists she has a 120hh special. You message her for her services and she responds bj/fs. You make an appointment, get there and give her the 120. Then she proceeds with a HJ. You say lets get to the main event and the girl says sorry, the special is only for a hand job only. The girl didn't lie. You asked for services she told you her services, but purposely left out that those were her services for her regular rate. Are you telling me this is not a scam?

When you purposely leave out extremely important information that you know would change the buyers mind completely, it is a scam.
It would be a scam because the add was structured in a way to imply that $120 special include bj/fs. Note however that (1) it was the information about the "product" not about the "seller" (however, in case of SP the "seller" is a "product" in some sense, so, information about girl's looks would be considered as information about the product while information about the number of girl's siblings would be an information about the seller) and (2) the add was structured in a way to purposely say something about the service that any reasonable reader assume is true but it is not. Teh latter is a grey zone. In any advertising, it should be a small footnote with a fine print "special is for basic services only". Such ad would be similar to a toothpaste add that say "approved by doctors"
 

james t kirk

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You didnt get scammed...you were USED. Your friend should have just been straight up with you on why the car was being sold.

I would call your friend and ask him what that was all about and why he had to lie to you to sell the car. You need to clear the air.
This

We need to know year, make, model, kilometres, and what the OP originally offered and what he ended up paying.

He doesn't seem to want to post that for whatever reason, so who knows if he got scammed or not, but he was definitely lied to by a guy who is either tapping that ass or wants to tap that ass.
 

KBear

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When you registered the car and paid taxes, didn't MTO give you the car's value to pay taxes on?

Reminds me of the Casino Niagara ad with the guy moving the girl's couch up the stairs, and the girl's boyfriend passing by saying he owes you one.


Think this is the situation.

Her situation sounds like one where she bought a new car and decided to sell the old one on her own because the dealer was giving her a shitty deal via the trade-in route. Per the parking, she probably only has one spot and needs to sell her old car asap so she can park her new car in that spot.

Summary - She wanted to get more for her old car than what she would have got from the dealer. Your buddy wanted to do her a solid and score some points with her.
 
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Did I get scammed?
Yes you did get scammed.

He tells me she just lost her job and can't afford to insure it, let alone drive it.
Later it turns out that she has a job after all and you were not told the complete truth.

Wants to get it out of the underground parking lot because the manager doesn't want it sitting there without insurance.
The truth of the matter is that it was costing her a parking space or the expense of a parking space and it was not insured therefor vulnerable to theft or vandalism.

Why doesn't she just sell it on Craigslist?
Why would she sell it if she can get a patsy to do all the work for her?

It would be nice if I offered her more, just to help her out. I agreed.
Her shill was doing a good job for her. He was going to get fucked for the deal ( sex ) if he fucks you first. ( scammed )

He calls me and says she will be home shortly after work...huh?
He told you a lie. She was not unemployed as he previously told you.

I say, I thought you said she was so broke she had to sell her car.Now she is following us in a new car. WTF?
She is not broke and has a new car. It was her fuck buddy that was conning you.

So. she only has about $4.00 in her bank account.
I think by this time you have figured it out and know this too is a lie.

He senses that I guess, because he phoned back and said he was just trying to be a nice guy and help us both out.
He called you to reassure you so that if he needs to scam you in the future he can call you up play you like a puppet.

Did I get scammed?
You swallowed it hook line and sinker and the hook is coming out of your ass. I think she bought a new car and refused the dealers offer for the old car as a trade in because the trade price was low. She passed the job of selling the car on to her fuck buddy and he figured he would pawn the car off an a chump he knows ( you ) for a quick sale.
 

gilford

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you got conned. That is no real friend. If anything, sell the car and either break even or sell for more than you paid for see how quick they get pissed you turned a profit.
 
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