10 YEARS AGO – Al Gore Predicted North Pole Would Be Ice free in 5 years

Butler1000 said:

They did in the 70's

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No they didn't. One or two fringe scientists said that and papers published it because they knew it would sell copy. In the 70's, the vast majority in the scientific community still saw the evidence as supporting a warming trend.

http://time.com/4778937/fake-time-cover-ice-age/
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...mini-ice-age-myth-is-back-and-its-still-wrong

Butler1000 said:

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That's what all the pundits say.

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That's why I listen to scientists when it comes to science, not journalists or pundits.

basketcase said:

That's why I listen to scientists when it comes to science, not journalists or pundits.

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And you skipped the first sentence didn't you? The one where the pundit site the scientists.

Al Gore was siting Scientist's predictions, not making things up.

Butler1000 said:

They did in the 70's

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Pornaddict thinks we entered into an ice age in 2015, and that we are just in the start of it.

Frankfooter said:

Pornaddict thinks we entered into an ice age in 2015, and that we are just in the start of it.

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Calling your bluff. Proof I said we entered an ice age in 2015 ... Dipshits!! All my peer reviewed article says we will be in mini ice age around 2030 . And I predicted the mini ice age would around 2025. Cooling start around 2020 . Some scientists peer reviewed article says mini-ice age will begin 2020- 2030
Know the term "mini" mini-ice age dipshit.. Commie asshole!!

Find my any of my posting that I said an " ice age started in 2015!
All you frankY / groggy is post lies!!
Moviefan / John Laure proved that your are nothing but a liar and phoney with a hidden agenda
All my peer reviewed article says " mini-ice age.. Just like any historical temperate we experience like in the past:

For example the Little Ice Age is a period between about 1300 and 1870 during which Europe and North America were subjected to much colder winters than during the 20th century. The period can be divided in two phases, the first beginning around 1300 and continuing until the late 1400s.

During the period 1645–1715, in the middle of the Little Ice Age, there was a period of low solar activity known as the Maunder Minimum. The Spörer Minimum has also been identified with a significant cooling period between 1460 and 1550.


Google Maunder Minimum or Little ice age.


PS Moviefan proved you lost a bet to him and then you Welch on a bet!
PPS How that prediction of Manhattan island being underwater?

PornAddict said:

Calling your bluff. Proof I said we entered an ice age in 2015 ... Dipshits!! All my peer reviewed article says...

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I'm still waiting to see those. You keep pretending CERN said so but they clearly didn't say anything of the sort. Is it from your electrical engineer?

Fact is the bullshit theory that solar activity will cancel out global warming and cause an ice age failed a couple decades ago and it will fail again.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...mini-ice-age-myth-is-back-and-its-still-wrong

Sorry, joining the thread late. Did someone already post the graph so they could argue about it?

KK

PornAddict said:

Calling your bluff. Proof I said we entered an ice age in 2015 ... Dipshits!! All my peer reviewed article says we will be in mini ice age around 2030 .

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Post your 'peer reviewed articles'.
They said that your ice age started in 2015.

Didn't you read them?

Your quote says 2017, but the article you posted said 2015.

PornAddict said:

He predicts global temperatures, which have plateaued, will begin to cool significantly, beginning between 2017 and 2021. The cooling will be about 0.3C in the 2020s. Some scientists have even forecast a mini ice age in the 2030s.

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Greenhouses add CO2 to help plants flourish, as it is essential for all plant life

There is no recorded case, no empirical data that adding CO2 causes the slightest Warming to those greenhouses

Why?

Because CO2 doesn’t cause Warming

Never has
Never did
Never will

WarGames said:

There is no recorded case, no empirical data that adding CO2 causes the slightest Warming to those greenhouses

Why?

Because CO2 doesn’t cause Warming

Never has
Never did
Never will

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Was curious, first video is the sort of test the average person could do, second video was a surprise.

Mythbusters tests global warming theory - does CO2 warm air?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPRd5GT0v0I

CO2 experiment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeYfl45X1wo

canada-man said:

dude cut the false accusations Pornaddict never said such thing

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Funny how pornaddict disappears from these threads once he's been called out for bullshitting.

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Frankfooter said:

Pornaddict thinks we entered into an ice age in 2015, and that we are just in the start of it.

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Frankfooter said:

Post your 'peer reviewed articles'.
They said that your ice age started in 2015.

Didn't you read them?

Your quote says 2017, but the article you posted said 2015.

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Frankfooter said:

Funny how pornaddict disappears from these threads once he's been called out for bullshitting.

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Here is the original article... Took awhile to find it.

https://www.ntnews.com.au/news/nati...e/news-story/d1fe0f22a737e8d67e75a5014d0519c6

Where the article did it says ice age start in 2015? Like usual your nothing but a liar!!

Dr Evans has a theory: solar activity. What he calls “albedo modulation”, the waxing and waning of reflected radiation from the Sun, is the likely cause of global warming.

He predicts global temperatures, which have plateaued, will begin to cool significantly, beginning between 2017 and 2021. The cooling will be about 0.3C in the 2020s. Some scientists have even forecast a mini ice age in the 2030s.

So if you know how to read frankY... Which have plateaued, it says begin to cool significantly beginning 2017 and 2021.
Bascally from the plateaued it will start to cool then in 2030 you will have a mini ice age which some scientists forcast. Where the fuck in the article it says a " ice age " start in 2015. YOur nothing but a liar!!

PornAddict said:

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So if you know how to read frankY... Which have plateaued, it says begin to cool significantly beginning 2017 and 2021.
Bascally from the plateaued it will start to cool then in 2030 you will have a mini ice age which some scientists forcast. Where the fuck in the article it says a " ice age " start in 2015. YOur nothing but a liar!!

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Funny. Global temperature data has 2017 as the 3rd warmest year (0.9 C above norm). 2018 so far is on track to be the 4th or 5th warmest (and these are La Nina years).

Last I checked, a year or two slightly below record highs sure doesn't seems like the start of an ice age.

KBear said:

Was curious, first video is the sort of test the average person could do, second video was a surprise.

Mythbusters tests global warming theory - does CO2 warm air?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPRd5GT0v0I

CO2 experiment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeYfl45X1wo

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https://co2islife.wordpress.com/201...hbusters-busted-practicing-science-sophistry/

Climate “Science” on Trial; Confirmed Mythbusters Busted Practicing Science Sophistry

I’ve seen some really stupid attempts at creating scientific experiments to prove CO2 is causing global warming, and when I say really stupid, I mean stupid on an epic scale. After Anthony Watts got finished debunking Al Gore and Bill Nye’s experiment,
https://wattsupwiththat.com/gore-and-bill-nye-fail-at-doing-a-simple-co2-experiment/
it is amazing they will show their faces in public. Mythbusters, however, may have topped Al and Bill on the stupidity scale, Mythbusters actually disproves CO2 as the cause by trying to prove just the opposite.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=pPRd5GT0v0I
Here is another video doing the same experiment. Even the BBC is pushing this nonsense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge0jhYDcazY&feature=youtu.be&app=desktop


First, let’s review the greenhouse gas effect. Incoming visible radiation warms the surface of the Earth. CO2 and other greenhouse gasses (GHG) are transparent to incoming radiation. Incoming radiation has a blackbody temperature 5525ºK. The warmed earth then emits outgoing long-wave infrared radiation (LWIR) with a blackbody temperature of 210-310ºK. The only defined mechanism by which CO2 can affect climate change/global warming is by “trapping” LWIR between 13 and 18 microns. That is the only defined mechanism, CO2 has a very clearly defined LWIR absorption spectrum.



Go to near 3/ 4 down page of the original article links where you see myth buster get debunked:
https://co2islife.wordpress.com/201...hbusters-busted-practicing-science-sophistry/

Mythbusters broke just about very one of the above lists for a good experiment, but what they did a fantastic job at were the scientific sophistry and entertaining theater. Like a magician, they use slight of hand tricks to keep the audience focused on one thing while hiding the truth in smoke and mirrors.

First, they brought in an “expert” to add credibility. The show features a chemistry professor from Berkeley, yes, that Berkeley, the one that was just torched because it was going to have a conservative speaker on campus.

Anyway, I digress, here is the Berkeley expert featured in the video. Appealing to authority is a favorite debating tactic of the Climate Alarmists, and for those that aren’t comfortable thinking for themselves. The obvious problem with this approach is that the “expert” has to have the highest moral and ethical character.


Mythbusters then created an elaborate experiment design, with stage lighting, gas chambers, precision thermometers, computer gas regulation, and ice figures.


Remember, however, the only defined mechanism by which CO2 can affect climate change is by trapping outgoing LWIR between 13 and 18-microns. CO2 and other GHGs are transparent to visible light. How then did Mythbusters control for that factor? They blasted the ice figure with a 1570 footcandle stage light emitting non-GHG activating extremely intense visible lighting. I bet you could get a sunburn standing in front of that oven.



The experiment was to demonstrate the impact of CO2 and methane on temperature. In reality, CO2 can only cause warming, it traps outgoing radiation. The Climate Alarmists change global warming to climate change not for any scientific reasoning, but for practical reasons. The 1970s gave us the Coming Ice Age, The 1990s gave us Global Warming, and post 2000 we had/have the “pause” with global temperatures showing no significant warming over the past 18 years, with the current level back at the same level we were in 1988. How then did Mythbusters control for the other GHGs in this experiment? How did they isolate the impact of CO2 and methane? You got it, they placed a 2-foot ice figure in the chamber that released plenty of the most potent GHG, H2O.



But wait, it gets better. Mythbusters makes the mistake of providing some numbers that we can work with. To start, the room temperatures in 20.4ºC, or basically room temperature of 68.72ºF.



Mythbusters then adds CO2 and methane to the chamber. Remember, CO2 is 400 ppm with a maximum of 7,000 ppm. Methane is 1,800 parts per billion (ppb), with an unknown maximum. Given those ranges, what CO2 concentration did Mythbusters use? 7.351 parts per hundred, or 7.351%. 400 ppm is 0.04%, 7,000 ppm is 0.7%. 7.351% is 183x the CO2 concentration of today, and 10.50x the highest concentration CO2 could ever reach on Earth. This experiment is far more applicable to the atmosphere on Venus than on Earth.



What concentration of methane did Mythbusters use? Only 4.51x the current level. The current methane level is 1,800 ppb or 0.00018%, and Mythbusters used 8.118 ppm or 0.00081%. Not surprising, Mythbusters didn’t dwell on these numbers or give any explanation as to the reasoning behind such unreachable levels. A good magician never gives away their secrets or calls attention to the mechanics of the trick.


Mythbusters then shines a blinding 1570 footcandle stage light on the block of ice for 3 hours, measuring the temperature as it melts. What then were the results? The chamber started the experiment at 20.4ºC, or basically room temperature of 68.72ºF. 3 hours later the control chamber reached 23.9ºC, the CO2 chamber reached 24.9ºC and the methane chamber reached 24.8ºC. The implied net effect of CO2 and methane is about 1.0ºC.

That demonstration, however, doesn’t prove CO2 and methane are dangerous GHGs, it proves just the opposite. Mythbusters inadvertently debunked the catastrophic anthropogenic global warming theory (CAGW) and proved the IPCC models and projections to be highly inaccurate and overstated.



The IPCC’s estimates that over the next 100 years temperatures will increase somewhere between 1 and 4ºC and CO2 will increase from 400 ppm to somewhere between 500 to 1,000 ppm.


It took Mythbusters 10.5x the highest CO2 concentration the Earth could ever reach, combined with a scorching 1570 footcandle moth killing stage lamp to get a poorly designed experiment to reach a 1.0ºC temperature increase. Even if we don’t use the marginal temperature differential of 1.0ºC, and use the entire temperature increase of 20.4ºC to 24.8ºC, the IPCC estimates still look unreasonable. Once again, Mythbusters used 10.5x the highest concentration CO2 could ever reach on earth, 8x the current level of methane combined with a 1,570 footcandle heat lamp you could bake a pizza with to achieve a 4.4ºC temperature increase. Those conditions aren’t even possible to reach on Earth, and the worst case scenario barely exceeded the IPCC’s top estimate. In reality, what the Mythbusters did was demonstrate the concept behind an Easy- Bake Oven, not the GHG effect. Note the “Bakes With 2 Ordinary Electric Light Bulbs” explanation below the name.813ab234f187a4d75d309a697903d4a5

The bottom line is Mythbusters couldn’t even rig an experiment to make a convincing case to convict CO2 and methane. If CO2 and methane are truly the villains Climate Alarmists claim they are, they should be able to come up with some valid experiments to make their case. So far, every attempt I’ve seen has failed miserably.

https://co2islife.wordpress.com/201...hbusters-busted-practicing-science-sophistry/

Myth buster is a joke and their experiment just got busted / debunked....LOL... !!

I hope that if you believe in global warming (climate change) that you don't have Christmas lights on your home and are not planning any holiday travel or winter vacation. Otherwise you are contributing to the problem and are just a hypocrite.

PornAddict said:

He predicts global temperatures, which have plateaued, will begin to cool significantly, beginning between 2017 and 2021. The cooling will be about 0.3C in the 2020s. Some scientists have even forecast a mini ice age in the 2030s.

So if you know how to read frankY... Which have plateaued, it says begin to cool significantly beginning 2017 and 2021.
Bascally from the plateaued it will start to cool then in 2030 you will have a mini ice age which some scientists forcast. Where the fuck in the article it says a " ice age " start in 2015. YOur nothing but a liar!!

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I told you, I said 2015 and when I reread the story realized your ice age was supposed to start in 2017.
How's it going so far?

By the way, really stupid theory by an electrical engineer who apparently doesn't understand the basics:

“Yes, CO2 has an effect, but it’s about a fifth or tenth of what the IPCC says it is. CO2 is not driving the climate; it caused less than 20 per cent of the global warming in the last few decades”.

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You really are a sucker for these stories.
But enjoy your 'ice age'.

Ref said:

The doom and gloom crowd on TERB are depressing. One post we're forcing an ice age, next post we're burning up the planet...Each one backed by the greatest science minds known to man.

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Not necessarily mutually exclusive. Notice that tropical storms are getting stronger, forest fires fiercer and a lot more numerous, winter storms with higher winds, it's all related. Global warming deniers are, unfortunately, whistling in the graveyard...

PornAddict said:

Myth buster is a joke and their experiment just got busted / debunked....LOL... !!

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There are many more experiments. Think because CO2 is colorless, odorless, tasteless, it is hard to believe it can doing anything, but it does.

Think the problem the world has is that there are now about 8 billion people, and they all want to live the good life they see us living. They are clearing the forests as we have done, want to drive SUVs, live in nice homes, jet around on vacation, eat meat rich diets, etc, and the planet might not be able to support us all.

basketcase said:

That's why I listen to scientists when it comes to science, not journalists or pundits.

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Well said basketcase! :very_drunk: