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Black people 'grossly overrepresented' in violent police interactions, OHC says

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Black people 'grossly overrepresented' in violent police interactions, Ontario human rights report says

Toronto police urged to acknowledge findings, begin reporting race-based data

Nick Boisvert · CBC News · Posted: Dec 10, 2018 10:57 AM ET |

A black person in Toronto is nearly 20 times more likely than a white person to be shot and killed by police, according to a new Ontario Human Rights Commission report on race and policing.

The commission's interim report said black people were overrepresented in several types of violent police interactions, including use-of-force cases, shootings, deadly encounters and fatal shootings.

"[The report] confirms the long-standing concern of black communities that they are overrepresented in incidents of serious injury or deadly force involving the TPS," according to the report released Monday.

"Our interim findings are disturbing and call for immediate action," added Renu Mandhane, the OHRC's chief commissioner.

The report, titled "A Collective Impact," analyzed two periods of data from the Special Investigations Unit (SIU) between 2000 and 2006, and 2013 and 2017. The analysis was conducted by Prof. Scott Wortley, a criminologist at the University of Toronto.

The SIU is Ontario's police watchdog, which investigates police interactions involving serious injury, death, or allegations of sexual assault.

Severity of incidents a concern

Despite the fact black people make up 8.8 per cent of Toronto's population, the OHRC found they were "grossly overrepresented" in SIU investigations.

The report also concluded that black people were more likely to be involved as the severity of the incident increases.

Out of the 244 cases analyzed from 2013 to 2017, black people made up:

25.4 per cent of SIU investigations.
28.2 per cent of police use-of-force cases.
36 per cent of police shootings.
61.5 per cent of police use-of-force cases resulting in civilian death.
70 per cent of police shootings resulting in civilian death.

The OHRC report also found that more white people were carrying weapons in police use of force cases, and that white people allegedly threatened or attacked police more often than black people. In police shootings, 20 per cent of white people were carrying a gun versus 11.1 per cent of black civilians.

Members of Toronto's black community say the findings validate what they have known for decades.

"These are not, in fact, new times," said Sam Tecle, who works for a youth program in Toronto's Jane and Finch neighbourhood.

Sam Tecle, who works with young people in Toronto's Jane and Finch neighbourhood, said the report reflects the experiences of the black community. (CBC)
He said young black people repeatedly tell him that they deliberately try to avoid police for fear of being targeted.

"Do I feel like talking to police today? Do I want to be harassed, hassled, questioned?" Tecle said of their concerns. "These stories are every day, they are common."

The final version of the report is expected to include extensive internal data obtained from Toronto police, including lower level use-of-force incidents and instances of carding. The OHRC expects to release those findings in 2020.

"Clearly, we've established that these gross disparities and disproportionalities exist. The next step in the analysis is going to try to explore the various explanations for these racial disparities," Wortley said. "I don't think we can ignore these differences and sweep them under the table."

Police accept recommendations, raise concerns about report
In a joint response to the report, Toronto police and the Toronto Police Services Board said no organization is "immune from overt and implicit bias," and that the force is actively working to address those issues.

However, the service also indirectly raised concerns about the legitimacy of the findings.

"Some may raise questions about the approach, methodology and statistical basis of this report, and it is important that all of these issues be scrutinized to ensure the fullest and fairest analysis and accounting," the statement said.

Police did not elaborate on what exactly those questions might be. The statement went on to say that police will commit to "doing even better" when it comes to reducing bias.

"We have been working for several years to confront these challenges in a variety of ways and with a variety of partners. Indeed, our continued work will be shaped and informed by a wide number of steps already undertaken and underway," the report said.

OHRC wants race-based data

The OHRC is calling on Toronto police to acknowledge the racial disparities and community experiences outlined in its report. The commission also wants the Toronto Police Services Board to require officers to begin collecting and publicly reporting on race-based data.

Toronto police said they would be accepting the recommendations, but added the collection of race-based data required further examination by its anti-racism advisory panel.

"This work will consider the legitimate concerns surrounding the impact of race-based data collection on interactions between police and members of Toronto's communities, and look to collect this data in a manner that will strengthen our to the communities we serve," the statement read.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ohrc-interim-profiling-report-1.4939242
 

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Rather then pointing the finger at the police why not look at WHY black people interact with police in such a negative way?
 

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Rather then pointing the finger at the police why not look at WHY black people interact with police in such a negative way?
I think it's pretty clear why black people interact with police in such a negative way, as per the report. Same with Indigenous people.
 

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No shit Sherlock !!

Hmm... I wonder if it has anything to do with "them" being "overrepresented" in the commission of criminal acts ffs

smh
 

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OHRC wants race-based data

The OHRC is calling on Toronto police to acknowledge the racial disparities and community experiences outlined in its report. The commission also wants the Toronto Police Services Board to require officers to begin collecting and publicly reporting on race-based data.
I would love to see race based stats. For example, there is an average of over 1 shooting daily.

Question: Who is doing the shooting and who is getting shot?
 

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With all the murders this year in Toronto, I wonder if they'll publish the race of the killers........???? If the percentage of blacks is higher than 10% ( and we all know it is way higher), then the police attention is well deserved. Should we just turn a blind eye to the gang and drug violence in the ghetto? Do the law abiding blacks want that? Of all the poor people there are 2 groups who continue to have problems lifting themselves up...... the blacks and the natives. WHY? Because they continually blame whitey for all their problems.
 

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OHRC wants race-based data

The OHRC is calling on Toronto police to acknowledge the racial disparities and community experiences outlined in its report. The commission also wants the Toronto Police Services Board to require officers to begin collecting and publicly reporting on race-based data.

Toronto police said they would be accepting the recommendations, but added the collection of race-based data required further examination by its anti-racism advisory panel.

"This work will consider the legitimate concerns surrounding the impact of race-based data collection on interactions between police and members of Toronto's communities, and look to collect this data in a manner that will strengthen our to the communities we serve," the statement read.
The irony is that race-based data used to be collected by police but human rights groups forced them to stop arguing that such data marginalizes groups based on race. Now they want it back because obviously collecting such data gives us an insight into what's actually happening.

You can't win with these idiots.
 

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Well, since the group who issued this report is using race, I will state the obvious. The reason that black people are experiencing physical force from the police is because they are committing 90 percent of the crime. If they stopped committing crime, their negative interactions with police would decrease.

Here's a link of the Toronto Police Services most wanted.

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/homicide/mostwanted.php


All that being said, I will be the first to admit that white criminals tend to be the serial killers - like the van nutjob Alex Menassian and the serial killer Bruce MacCarthur. But as far as they are concerned, it's too bad they didn't resist arrest and wind up on the wrong end of a police service revolver.
 

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I would love to see race based stats. For example, there is an average of over 1 shooting daily.

Question: Who is doing the shooting and who is getting shot?
Chicago murders YTD by race:
https://heyjackass.com/2018-race-of-victim-assailant/

Chicago is roughly 30% black, white and Hispanic.

Also might be worth noting that of the 2,839 shootings YTD 21 were by police officers.
 

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Well, since the group who issued this report is using race, I will state the obvious. The reason that black people are experiencing physical force from the police is because they are committing 90 percent of the crime. If they stopped committing crime, their negative interactions with police would decrease.

Here's a link of the Toronto Police Services most wanted.

http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/homicide/mostwanted.php


All that being said, I will be the first to admit that white criminals tend to be the serial killers - like the van nutjob Alex Menassian and the serial killer Bruce MacCarthur. But as far as they are concerned, it's too bad they didn't resist arrest and wind up on the wrong end of a police service revolver.
There is no evidence that black people commit 90 percent of the crime, if there is please provide it. Most of the black shootings are committed by people who descend from two specific countries. See your link for that info.
 

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There is no evidence that black people commit 90 percent of the crime, if there is please provide it. Most of the black shootings are committed by people who descend from two specific countries. See your link for that info.
Stats for crime by "race" aren't kept. Because it is politically incorrect to do so.
 

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Comparison The USA and Canada in this regard is useless. Of course all the rednecks would not know this.
Luckily your not talking to a red neck. Do you have violent crime stats by race for Toronto?
 

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There is no evidence that black people commit 90 percent of the crime, if there is please provide it. Most of the black shootings are committed by people who descend from two specific countries. See your link for that info.
Not a lot of toothless white hockey players on that list.
 

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Stats for crime by "race" aren't kept. Because it is politically incorrect to do so.
It's useless. It's more of a class thing. Africans are the most educated immigrants that come into the country.

It's weird that black people are referred to as a community because all the different black groups tend to stick to their own. G 98.7 talks about this on the radio during their Grapevine program on Sundays. The bigger question is why are people from certain low income areas and nationalities particularly involved in gun related crime.
 
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