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Insidious Von

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And insufferably arrogant at the same time.

They believe that due to their status as the greatest people in the known universe, the earthworm EU should submit to further conscetions. The slide into poverty is already happening, The Pond has gone from $1.68 in April to $1.26 as the markets open for the week. London has already lost financial services to Paris and Frankfurt, the exodus will only accelerate. Brexiters lied to the people about the ease of leaving the EU. If no deal is reached then the UK will have to abide by WTO rules and automatic tariffs. A year from now, Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson will be in hiding.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/brexit-is-economic-suicide/2017/03/31/2c72b19e-15a4-11e7-bb16-269934184168_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.79e1c89637d1
 

Insidious Von

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May wants a guarantee from the EU that should a deal not be ratified the Europeans won't implement a hard border. The EU has nothing to gain to concede that...boy the Irish must be pissed! The UK has something to look forward too, eventually it will become a vassal of Russia.

I love Iron Maiden but Bruce Dickinson should stick to metal. He's completely clueless, he comes off looking like an arrogant moron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAtxrfF0DI8
 

bver_hunter

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Brexit was a disaster from day 0, but only the right wingers including Trump were the ones to praise it. They get this basic stuff wrong time and time again. We know that the referendum was not necessary, but it was all about "CONN ARTIST" David Cameron building his ego, so as to buy votes for his election where he wanted to win with a huge majority. But it blew up in his face, and no wonder he resigned. That was a shock to the investors and manufacturers worldwide. These conservatives have screwed up The UK and they all know it. PM May will probably have to step down when she realises that there will be no new deal with The EU in the pipeline. The only way a new leader can try to stay in power is to build on xenophobia and populism. The UK pound is worthless, and the Brits are due to sink into wide scale poverty!!
 

bver_hunter

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May wants a guarantee from the EU that should a deal not be ratified the Europeans won't implement a hard border. The EU has nothing to gain to concede that...boy the Irish must be pissed! The UK has something to look forward too, eventually it will become a vassal of Russia.

I love Iron Maiden but Bruce Dickinson should stick to metal. He's completely clueless, he comes off looking like an arrogant moron.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAtxrfF0DI8

Bruce Dickinson is clueless. He should only stick to music. Stuff like wanting to perform in the US and Australia is "English Rubbish". Was he not allowed to do so when he was part of The EU??
 

oldjones

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Considering the Brexit referendum was all but an actual tie, and that her Party officially —if tepidly — supported staying in, then lost it's majority in the election that was supposed to give them a clear mandate to leave the EU, it's no sort of surprise she still can't get a majority in favour of Brexit. Or for staying in. However it happens, having chained herself to the mast of this sinking project she'll be going down with it.

Which should mean yet another election with a clearer result, and likely a Labour government. With no responsibility for the mess so far, Corbyn can legitimately hold the second referendum Theresa so emphatically promised herself out of. Barring some distracting world crisis, more than likely that result will be a clear majority to abandon Brexit and stay with the EU, and the whole daft notion can be slowly dismantled and laid to rest.

No other option but belonging to the larger, border-free Union can calmly cope with a divided Ireland, and neither London nor Dublin can see a peaceful future if either loses what they have now.
 

onthebottom

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PM Corbyn, that’s a real and frightening thought.
 

bver_hunter

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PM Corbyn, that’s a real and frightening thought.
Not as frightening as Trump. He will steady a sinking ship, as he has the political experience to do so. After all this is the WORST political disaster for the UK. the British Pound says it all as it is a measure of the state of the economy. this was Maggie Thatcher's own words. Hopefully, Corbyn will try to have another referendum to steer the UK back into the EU.
 

Frankfooter

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Not as frightening as Trump. He will steady a sinking ship, as he has the political experience to do so. After all this is the WORST political disaster for the UK. the British Pound says it all as it is a measure of the state of the economy. this was Maggie Thatcher's own words. Hopefully, Corbyn will try to have another referendum to steer the UK back into the EU.
The question is how long can May avoid a vote that will sink her government.
If she puts it to a vote her government will fall.
 

bver_hunter

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The question is how long can May avoid a vote that will sink her government.
If she puts it to a vote her government will fall.
She is going back to "re-negotiate", especially as the EU have categorically told her that it is the final deal!!
 

oldjones

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The question is how long can May avoid a vote that will sink her government.
If she puts it to a vote her government will fall.
As long as she can, but fall seems certain. As is Corbyn replacing her. As is another referendum, given he himself is as diffident about going or staying as any house-cat at the door.

Only questions are: How long? How much will it hurt?
 

rafterman

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I actually have quite a bit of respect for May. She's got an utterly thankless job and is doing the best she can with a losing hand. What she needs to do is steer the undeserving electorate back to a second referendum and cancel Brexit which the E.U. Court says Britain can do unilaterally. You want to see a train wreck let Corbyn have the reins for a month or two.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-46481643
 

Insidious Von

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rafterman is correct, this was not of Theresa May's making, it's those two arrogant shit tulips (quoting Mr. Lahey) Gordon Brown and David Cameron who did this. They orchestrated one of the biggest tax shifts in UK history. Chancellor of the Exchequer George Osborne's budget gave generous tax breaks for the Eton class and pensioners while cutting services for everyone else. What Prime Minister Cameron called austerity measures. The arrogant shit stain was sitting on a vat of nitro glycerine and was too stupid to notice.

https://www.economist.com/bagehots-notebook/2016/04/10/what-the-panama-papers-really-reveal-about-david-cameron
 

Butler1000

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Why is taking back control of immigration and trade policy from unelected bureaucrats a bad thing?

Seems to me the only argument in this is financial. And sometimes the cash isn't worth it.
 

nottyboi

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May is pro Bremain, and she has played her cards quite cleverly. He real goal was to blow up Brexit as its utterly stupid. She has run out the clock, now with them rejecting the really shitty deal, she can run it out even more and then go back to the people and ask them to chose between a no ideal hard Brexit and Bremain. Yes she is a crafty one. Don't let her non-formidable apprearence fool you.
 

bver_hunter

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Theresa May’s cowardly blunder may have saved us from Brexit:
What cowardice. She roused the country to the great climax of Tuesday’s parliamentary vote on her EU withdrawal deal, only to beat a retreat – yet another fateful error in Theresa May’s miserable, blundering leadership. This vote was set to be the cathartic moment when the country finally faced the Brexit truth. The cataclysmic collapse of May’s deal would have wiped the slate clean for her, for every MP and every party, freeing everyone to think again. Yes, hers was the only deal possible – but only if she was right that the nation’s ultimate uncrossable red line really is stopping immigration and free movement. If closing our borders is non-negotiable then hers was the only deal, whoever was prime minister. But that deal was set for a parliamentary defeat no government had suffered in living memory, with public opinion overwhelmingly against.

Never mind her personal fate – leave political obituaries for another day. The country has to ask whether curbing EU immigration still matters above all else. If so, then the only other option is crashing out with no deal, whoever is leader. But a no-deal crash is so dangerous, the great majority of MPs will absolutely reject inflicting an 8% fall in living standards, blocked ports, empty supermarket shelves, medicine supply failures and the pound falling through the floor – it even slumped on news of this postponement. As it plunged, the madness of the ultras was captured by John Redwood telling Bloomberg TV not to worry, as a no deal saves the £39bn divorce fee: “We won’t be crashing out, we’ll be cashing in.” Most MPs of all parties will refuse to underwrite such an act of suicidal idiocy.

As the Tory axemen sharpen up to decapitate their leader, the rest of us must sincerely hope she survives. She may be our most inept prime minister in living memory, apart from David Cameron who caused this mayhem, but far worse beckons, whoever replaces her. If 48 Tory MPs send in their letters, and 158 or more of them vote to oust her, we should fear the even worse leader their party will elect instead. Whatever their original EU stance, the winner will have campaigned for the votes of the ageing Brexity shire members of their small party, each contender out-Brexiting the rest with harder pledges. Some – Boris Johnson, certainly – will promise to crash out, and that may get him anointed. Others will promise undeliverable unicorn deals, cake-eating, cherry-picking, that can only lead to the identical crisis May faced once she found her red lines made any deal with the EU impossible. Pray she stays: after all her errors, she at least now knows some basic EU truths.

Off she goes to Brussels to pretend some cosmetic rejigging will solve the Irish border backstop, though the taoiseach, Leo Varadkar, said on Monday that it was not possible. If the EU gave way, Varadkar’s government would fall. Of course Brussels will rightly favour supporting him over propping up Britain’s disgraceful Brexit government.

An election is improbable but not impossible – though Jeremy Corbyn stands accused of failing to call a confidence vote. Any sane Tory would run a mile: if they offered themselves to the nation in their present shambolic state they would suffer a well-deserved defeat. They could agree no manifesto stance on Brexit, with their platforms a comical tug-of-war between at least four factions.

Labour would finally have to resolve its conflict between Corbyn’s small coterie and virtually everyone else, Momentum included. A fudged “we will renegotiate” will fall apart in the first week of any campaign. Of course Labour should stand as remainers against Tory Brexiters. Look how Caroline Lucas mocked them in the Channel 4 debate: “Brexit is a project for the right, by the right and why Labour would support it I just don’t understand.” But if, lamentably, that’s a step too far, then a Labour manifesto has to promise a referendum – letting the people solve their indecision is the only way to hold the party together.

Every day, a referendum looks more likely – it would be the only escape from this car crash. “Hell will freeze over before May agrees,” an ally of hers says – but it is now the last escape hatch from this hell. The Brexiters’ own “project fear” has been to terrify the nation, threatening that any attempt to run another referendum would cause rebellion, mob-rule, riots on the streets. What are they so afraid of? It’s losing, now that the polls are shifting.

The country will not be intimidated by the absurd idea of people rioting against getting the chance to express themselves in a democratic vote. Watching the Ukip/Tommy Robinson march on Sunday, I saw nothing much to fear. Outnumbered 10 times by anti-racist, anti-Brexit marchers, they were a familiar little group rallying to Robinson’s boasts that “no other politician will talk about Islam”. They were mostly men, mostly middle-aged. The most notable thing about them and their “Brexit betrayal” banners was the low turnout. The “Out! Out! Out!” shouters, familiar thugs failing to find a fight, were outnumbered by ordinary people from that ordinary strand that is not just British, but found in every country.

How familiar is that “keep Britain white” surge, whether it comes dressed as BNP, EDL, National Front, Combat 18, National Action or any of the other groupuscules that always implode. Whatever happened to Enoch Powell’s rivers of blood? We are where we are because Cameron’s crime was to call a referendum on foreigners and borders that predictably gave a legitimate outlet to that seam in the psyche of any country. Even more grotesque has been the Brexiters using Robinson shamelessly as their advance guard, and Iain Duncan Smith warning any second referendum will cause Paris-style riots. Even Brexit-convert Jeremy Hunt uses them to avoid a vote: “I wouldn’t rule out real social instability in this country.”

The question now is how to put all the dark passions and fears Brexit aroused back in their corner. It needs firm leadership, a rejection of racism, and someone who will take no nonsense about riots. No one but the voters can reverse what has been done, now that Brexit in all its fiendishness has been explored and found miserably wanting. Promises turned to dust. Both sides have been preparing their referendum campaigns. The Brexiters will rely on a simple but clever “Tell them again!” while remainers plan a positive “Europe works” and a negative “Did you vote to be poorer?”

May will try to defer this vote until the last possible day to force a “her deal or no deal” choice. Instead she has just inched the possibility of no Brexit at all closer to the finishing line. The Treasury had better put on hold that promised 50p coin to commemorate Brexit day:

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...may-cowardly-blunder-brexit-second-referendum
 

onthebottom

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The English are not stupid, the most successful countries in the world were/are English colonies.

The French are stupid. The Italians are stupid and lazy. The Spanish are stupid, lazy and fascist. The Germans are smart and fascist. The Nordics are smart and lazy. Eastern Europeans are just fascist.

Now why would the English want to leave that ��
 

danmand

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The English are not stupid, the most successful countries in the world were/are English colonies.

The French are stupid. The Italians are stupid and lazy. The Spanish are stupid, lazy and fascist. The Germans are smart and fascist. The Nordics are smart and lazy. Eastern Europeans are just fascist.
And the Americans are ugly.
 

Frankfooter

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The English are not stupid, the most successful countries in the world were/are English colonies.

The French are stupid. The Italians are stupid and lazy. The Spanish are stupid, lazy and fascist. The Germans are smart and fascist. The Nordics are smart and lazy. Eastern Europeans are just fascist.

Now why would the English want to leave that ��
White Nationalist much?
 
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