Let China fume. Canadian police were right to arrest Meng Wanzhou
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The media is now reporting that Trump (being the fucking moron that he is) has now said that he will consider intervening on her behalf to have her released as long as China comes to its senses on a trade agreement?
Excuse me?
Cadet Bone Spurs has just sunk his own boat. He's truly a moron. He thinks that he's the Pope and he can just rule by decree. His bone headed statements prove the Chinese's argument that she is being used for political purposes. Fucking idiot.
I now hope that the courts take that idiot's statements into account and just release her.
How much more of this dotard can the Americans possibly take??
Excuse me?
Cadet Bone Spurs has just sunk his own boat. He's truly a moron. He thinks that he's the Pope and he can just rule by decree. His bone headed statements prove the Chinese's argument that she is being used for political purposes. Fucking idiot.
I now hope that the courts take that idiot's statements into account and just release her.
How much more of this dotard can the Americans possibly take??
Cohen was Trump's bitch and look at him now. There are loopholes in the extradition agreement, but either way , we are going to make an enemy. I'd trust the Chinese more than Trump and their leadership will be around a lot longer
I'd say it proves China doesn't have the rule of law and is a dictatorship. So why would we want to do business with that?
No dispute to old news. My post did not merit a serious response.
The title mentioned fume and I was making a play on words, Who's zoomin' who?
Looks like China has won the 5G race and is getting ready to develop 6G.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...g-china-already-targeting-preparations-for-6g
For years China has been accused of stealing Western technology. Now it is China that is at risk of the West stealing their (China's) technology.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...g-china-already-targeting-preparations-for-6g
For years China has been accused of stealing Western technology. Now it is China that is at risk of the West stealing their (China's) technology.
Most from China.
In many Canadian universities, foreign students make up to half of the student body. Half of those foreign students are from China. Foreign students' tuition is 10 times that of provincial residents. If Chinese students went home, some universities would have serious funding problems. In fact, some canadian universities are actively seeking foreign students to make up shortfalls in government funding.
That's just one example of the downside to Trudeau clinging to the so called rule of law.
Other than that, China does not need Canadian exports, especially those that the US wants to keep away:
Softwood lumber (large US tariffs)
Oil (don't want pipelines)
Milk (milk producers sold out by Freeland)
Lobsters by the 747 load (they'll find a mysterious virus as a pretext to bar them, the same kind of pretext Japan used to keep Canadian beef away for many years)
That is going to hurt a lot of medium businesses and workers. And its going to be just the beginning.
This 'rule-of-law' business is utter bullshit. The US is a prosecutorial state, and district attorneys and judges are elected. Higher court judges are appointed by the party in power and tend to be biased by politics. The judiciary is used by corporations and hostile investors in order to either grab control of corporations (as what happened with Conrad Black and the corporation he built from scratch, Hollinger) or shut out the competition by laying bogus charges on foreign corporations and their executives. A prosecutor just has to find a judge with a certain political leaning to tie them up for years of procedural delay. The judge that approved the request for extradition for Meng was from a Republican/Trump hostile district in NY.
That's what you get when, in order to get the right appearances, when you select cabinet ministers based on their gender, rather than on their competence. Freeland has a personal beef with Russia because of her family's historical background, and she has naturally sided herself with US neocons, who also happen to be anti Russia. This hate against Russia also put her generally against China, since both are allied and Russia has a communist legacy. Plus, being quite vain, seems to relish the photo shoots with US political heavyweights l like Pompeo.
What has happened is not what Canada was all about. Canada always had a geopolitical foreign policy that was generally not tied to that of the US, and Canada was not afraid to stand up to the US:
Canada always maintained ties to Cuba
Chretien refused to send our troops to Dubya Bush's Iraq war (Harper would have done so)
Canada did not participate in the Vietnam war (Australia did, including sending conscripts)
LBJ grabbed Lester B Pearson's throat, pushing him against the wall
Nixon called PE Trudeau an Asshole.
Canada initiated overtures towards China while the US was very hostile to the Commie Yellow Peril. Trudeau the father would now be rolling in his grave.
Now, we're pandering to US geopolitics and, while getting nothing in return, are actually getting screwed by the US on trade.
That's the idiocy of the Trudeau government: all about appearances, and don't give a shit about the upcoming hit on Canadian commercial interests and jobs.
The only hope Trudeau has in coming out of this mess without too much political and economic damage, is for Trump to sign an executive order, cancelling the extradition request. But then, Freeland the idiot, was telling Trump to mind his own business. That's how bad our present government is.
Actually expect Canadians travelling to China to drop to 0.
I was there once before and had mused about going back one day. But no way now.
There is no rule of law in China. Just a dictatorship making up the rules as it goes. The Canadian government is not going to arrest some guy just because he's Chinese (and you know that). The Chinese on the other hand have just proved the exact opposite.
There is rule of law in China, but not as rigid as in Canada. In Canada, you risk getting a ticket if you jaywalk; that's unheard of in China, partly because police there aren't in your face. China is the place where rules are bent, and they don't go after you unless there's a complaint or you're trying to make a name for yourself. If they had the same law enforcement rigidity as you have in Canada or the US, there would be a revolt. That being said, if they want to make an example of someone, it's relatively easy for them to nail you, since they know what laws you broke but which they just ignored. That's what probably happened to those 2 Canadians. Being part of a NGO with links to the CIA that hadn't registered (US requires foreign NGO's to be registered, under penalty of jail time), nobody gave a shit because up to then, relations with Canada were fairly good.
I've been there many times, and the laws they have and the level of enforcement is related to Chinese culture. For the last 15 years, they have gradually removed the legal system away from Communist party control, and there is more autonomy now with prosecutions. Unlike in NA, you are much more likely to be forgiven given personal circumstances than in the US, where they try by any means to throw you in the slammer. The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world, and is 10 times what China is.
The government will not go after individuals there for being Canadian. However, you risk the wrath of a mob if you hurt local peoples' patriotism and if they should discover you're Canadian. Then, you would be very grateful to Chinese police when they rescue you, and they would most certainly do. Chinese police guys and gals are ordinary people, and do not have the aggressiveness attributed to NA police forces.
Ref I totally agree with your statement. I'm not good in politics but do try to survive in the business world.
Based on what Canada has done in this case, which appeared to be playing short-sighted old-time cowboys and Indians without some wise and careful deliberation, while economically China could potentially cause a lot more grieve to current Canadian businesses, sovereignty or not. Meanwhile, the U.S. who has been all along advertising their protectionism logo " America First" will not economically suffer further by this incident since it was Canada who did the direct dirty work. In fact if Trump steps in and let's say decides not to go through with extradition, the U.S. will potentially develop a better "trade" relationship with China (at Canada's expense). When that happens, will the U.S. pass on to Canada some resulting benefits? I would debate that the answer will be "NO".
This is just my thought here with a cup of Starbuck Americano coffee lol!
I predict that she will disappear on a private plane before she gets extradited to USA. I imagine China has a few operatives in Vancouver.
And to mimic Trump, "Canada will pay the bail money".
