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George H.W Bush

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Probably a nice guy.
Sad that accolades come after one's death.

They'll say the same about Trump when his day comes.
 

K Douglas

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H.W. took over the Presidency at a particularly challenging time. The world was very unstable at that time with the fall of the 2nd largest geopolitical power. Many aren't aware of how accomplished he was leading up to his Presidency. WWII combat pilot, Yale Graduate, Oil Tycoon, CIA Director, UN Ambassador and Vice President. He was the right man for the job at the right time. RIP
 

Darts

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2018 has been a rough year for the GOP. First, Senator John McCain and now President Bush 41st. R.I.P. They broke the mold when they made these two.

BTW: Don't believe the Democrats when they try to tell you that the dark girl in the McCain family portrait is John's illegitimate daughter.
 

wigglee

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Bush was no saint but he had more brains and class in his feces than Trump will ever have
 

Robert Mugabe

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2018 has been a rough year for the GOP. First, Senator John McCain and now President Bush 41st. R.I.P. They broke the mold when they made these two.

BTW: Don't believe the Democrats when they try to tell you that the dark girl in the McCain family portrait is John's illegitimate daughter.
unfortunately they didn't break the mold. Bush procreated George W. I guess on the plus side we can always watch McCain's progeny on the view.
 

jcpro

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2018 has been a rough year for the GOP. First, Senator John McCain and now President Bush 41st. R.I.P. They broke the mold when they made these two.

BTW: Don't believe the Democrats when they try to tell you that the dark girl in the McCain family portrait is John's illegitimate daughter.
Actually, the (some) Republicans learned a valuable lesson from the 41 and McCain. Don't compromise with the Democrats on the key issues. 41 made a budget deal that was heralded by the Dems and the media as a superb achievement, only to have the same cheerleaders tear into him for breaking his promise come the election time- even though, the Democratic Speaker of the House gave him his word not to use it against him. Same with McCain, a bipartisan hero who got savaged when playing a good Republican. It would seem that Republicans are only to be praised when dead or playing for the other side
 

Darts

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41 made a budget deal that was heralded by the Dems and the media as a superb achievement, only to have the same cheerleaders tear into him for breaking his promise come the election time- even though, the Democratic Speaker of the House gave him his word not to use it against him. Same with McCain, a bipartisan hero who got savaged when playing a good Republican.
I would never underestimate the Democrats but the main factor in Bush 41's defeat was H. Ross Perot. He dropped out and should have stayed out but re-entered the race.

The Dems really sunk to a new low when they claimed the dark girl in the McCain family portrait is John's illegitimate daughter.
 

james t kirk

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The Dems really sunk to a new low when they claimed the dark girl in the McCain family portrait is John's illegitimate daughter.
Uh, get your facts straight, that wasn't the Democrats who said that, it was the Bush Republicans during the primaries in for the 2000 election.

Unless you are trying to be sarcastic. (Which since you posted this shit twice I don't think you are. Just don't know your facts.)

https://www.thenation.com/article/dirty-tricks-south-carolina-and-john-mccain/


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ne...pted-daughter-from-Bangladesh-introduced.html
 

jcpro

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I would never underestimate the Democrats but the main factor in Bush 41's defeat was H. Ross Perot. He dropped out and should have stayed out but re-entered the race.

The Dems really sunk to a new low when they claimed the dark girl in the McCain family portrait is John's illegitimate daughter.
I agree 100%.
 

essguy_

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I would never underestimate the Democrats but the main factor in Bush 41's defeat was H. Ross Perot. He dropped out and should have stayed out but re-entered the race.

The Dems really sunk to a new low when they claimed the dark girl in the McCain family portrait is John's illegitimate daughter.
I agree 100%.
James Kirk is correct - the MCain “fathered an illegitimate child” smear campaign was orchestrated by Karl Rove (GWB’s political consultant and future deputy Chief of Staff) during the Primaries when they were headed to South Carolina. Rove (nicknamed “Turd Blossom” by Bush) was one of the lowest of the low when it came to political strategy. Of course, Rove learned from Lee Atwater - the King of race baiting and whisper/smear campaigns (Atwater devised the “Willie Horton” strategy in 1988 which helped HW Bush overcome a 17 point deficit to Dukakis during the summer to win in November. Atwater was Bush’s campaign manager). Atwater died at 40 of a brain tumour and is now rotting in Hell. His legacy lives on...
 

Darts

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the MCain “fathered an illegitimate child” smear campaign was orchestrated by Karl Rove (GWB’s political consultant and future deputy Chief of Staff) during the Primaries when they were headed to South Carolina.
I was multi-tasking while watching CNN at the same time and honestly thought that smear was initiated by the Democrats. Thank you and the Captain for the clarification.

Back to President Bush and Senator McCain. Both were U.S. Navy aviators. I can visualize them sitting in their cockpits waiting for the carrier to turn into the wind and then taking off from the flight deck into the wild blue yonder.
 

jcpro

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James Kirk is correct - the MCain “fathered an illegitimate child” smear campaign was orchestrated by Karl Rove (GWB’s political consultant and future deputy Chief of Staff) during the Primaries when they were headed to South Carolina. Rove (nicknamed “Turd Blossom” by Bush) was one of the lowest of the low when it came to political strategy. Of course, Rove learned from Lee Atwater - the King of race baiting and whisper/smear campaigns (Atwater devised the “Willie Horton” strategy in 1988 which helped HW Bush overcome a 17 point deficit to Dukakis during the summer to win in November. Atwater was Bush’s campaign manager). Atwater died at 40 of a brain tumour and is now rotting in Hell. His legacy lives on...
Dukakis was a weak candidate, period. And that was the perception regardless of the polls. Bush was running like an incumbent following an extremely popular and successful President. Dukakis did more damage to his cause by driving a tank and trying to out macho a navy pilot with a Navy Cross, former CIA Director and 8 years Vice President than anything Atwater could come up with. The problem in here is that, you people, are either too young to remember or your memories are shorter than your turds.
 
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essguy_

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Dukakis was a weak candidate, period. And that was the perception regardless of the polls. Bush was running like an incumbent following an extremely popular and successful President. Dukakis did more damage to his cause by driving a tank and trying to out macho a navy pilot with a Navy Cross, former CIA Director and 8 years Vice President than anything Atwater could come up with. The problem in here is that, you people, are either to young to remember or your memories are shorter than your turds.
LOL. I guess if we’re too young, then perhaps you’re suffering from a “Senior Moment” (a few of them!).

You’re conveniently forgetting that HW had to fight long and hard against his own “wimp” image. The “Willie Horton” whisper campaign is regarded as one of the greatest and most successful whisper/smear campaign in US political history. It completely shifted momentum to Bush and once that shift happened nothing Dukakis did could correct it, including the ridiculous tank photo op - which you have forgotten was in Sept, months AFTER “Willie Horton”. Atwater was evil, but an evil genius.

 

jcpro

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LOL. I guess if we’re too young, then perhaps you’re suffering from a “Senior Moment” (a few of them!).

You’re conveniently forgetting that HW had to fight long and hard against his own “wimp” image. The “Willie Horton” whisper campaign is regarded as one of the greatest and most successful whisper/smear campaign in US political history. It completely shifted momentum to Bush and once that shift happened nothing Dukakis did could correct it, including the ridiculous tank photo op - which you have forgotten was in Sept, months AFTER “Willie Horton”. Atwater was evil, but an evil genius.

LOL, indeed. Nothing was going to save Dukakis from a massive loss that he actually sustained. He was perceived as weak on crime and an ideologue not flexible enough for the office representing the whole country. His answer regarding the death penalty during the debate all but buried any chance at beating Bush, who was always viewed as boring but competent and experienced. The outcome was never in doubt, despite the summer polls that are not worth a damn. Atwater or not Dukakis had no chance.
 
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