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And then immediately turn around and deny it.
Bullshit, you are lying.

Meanwhile you continue to support the apartheid application of human rights in Israel, as you justify why Palestinians should not be given the right to self determination.
You support apartheid just as much as Phil does.
 

basketcase

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Bullshit, you are lying.....
Then prove it by answering yes or no.

Do you think the large Jewish majority in Israel have the right to self determination? Do you think the Arab population who have chosen to be citizens of what the UN defined as the "Jewish State" have the right to make that choice?

All you can do is lie and evade. It's been pages and you still haven't identified a single right that Israeli Arabs lost by that stupid, do-nothing bill.
 

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Do you think the large Jewish majority in Israel have the right to self determination? Do you think the Arab population who have chosen to be citizens of what the UN defined as the "Jewish State" have the right to make that choice?
Are you saying you don't think the 'Arab' population (since you won't say Palestinian) don't have the same rights given by the basic law and instead have to make a 'choice' about their rights?
That sounds like apartheid to me.

(and once again, both Israeli Arabs, Israeli Jews and Palestinians all should have the same 'Right to Self Determination' that is a basic fucking human right in Canada for everyone)
 

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Are you saying you don't think the 'Arab' population (since you won't say Palestinian) don't have the same rights given by the basic law and instead have to make a 'choice' about their rights?...
They do and their families made that choice. That's why they chose Israeli citizenship. It's obvious you are just looking for an excuse to deny Jews self-determination. Seems you are the one proposing ethnically defined states.

At the same time your hypocrisy has you supporting groups that overtly denies not only any right of self-determination but even for Jews to live in the region.


p.s. Still waiting for you to describe what legal right Arab Israelis lost in that pointless law.
 

Frankfooter

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You are ridiculously making shit up.

Here's our charter. Could you point out the part where Canadians have the right to self determination?
https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/Const/page-15.html
Here:
2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

(a) freedom of conscience and religion;

(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;

(c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and

(d) freedom of association.
Compare that to the definition of right of self determination.
The right of a people to self-determination is a cardinal principle in modern international law (commonly regarded as a jus cogens rule), binding, as such, on the United Nations as authoritative interpretation of the Charter's norms.[1][2] It states that people, based on respect for the principle of equal rights and fair equality of opportunity, have the right to freely choose their sovereignty and international political status with no interference.[3]
So why do you think only Jews and not Palestinians should have the right to self determination?
That is apartheid application of human rights.

I support Palestinians, Christians and Jews, all races and religions, having the same right of self determination.
Why won't you back those Canadian values and stop supporting Israeli apartheid?
 

basketcase

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Wow. You really like to invent things.


BTW. Israeli Arabs have all those Canadian rights (most of which they wouldn't have under PA or Hamas rule). they also have all the things described in your self-determination description. they have legal equality and have chosen to be Israeli. You just don't like that so many Arabs "freely choose their sovereignty and international political status" in Israel. The stupid bill changed none of that.

Sorry but Israelis, Jews and Arab, have all chosen to be part of Israel even though the UN described Israel as "the Jewish State". That doesn't stop you from wanting to interfere with their freedoms.
 

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Wow. You really like to invent things.


BTW. Israeli Arabs have all those Canadian rights (most of which they wouldn't have under PA or Hamas rule). they also have all the things described in your self-determination description. they have legal equality and have chosen to be Israeli. You just don't like that so many Arabs "freely choose their sovereignty and international political status" in Israel. The stupid bill changed none of that.

Sorry but Israelis, Jews and Arab, have all chosen to be part of Israel even though the UN described Israel as "the Jewish State". That doesn't stop you from wanting to interfere with their freedoms.
False, as you repeatedly pointed out, the right of self determination is only given to Jewish citizens according to their new basic law.
That's apartheid.
 

basketcase

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False, as you repeatedly pointed out, the right of self determination is only given to Jewish citizens according to their new basic law.
That's apartheid.
Sorry but your own definition was about choice, not ethnicity. The Israeli Arabs have chosen to be part of what the UN described as the Jewish State.

How many pages are you going to go trying to pretend that stupid law did anything to rights?
 

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Sorry but your own definition was about choice, not ethnicity. ?
Israel Arab's do not have a choice for the right of self determination.
That is defined by law in Israel and given only to Israeli Jews.

And not to those who have lived under Israeli military rule in the Occupied Territories for half a century.

That's apartheid, as you called it.
 

basketcase

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Israel Arab's do not have a choice for the right of self determination.....
Sorry but unlike their brethren who listened to hateful Palestinian and Arab leaders, their families CHOSE to be part of what the UN called the Jewish State and polling says that in a peace deal, Israeli Arabs would overwhelmingly CHOOSE to stay Israeli. You don't have the right to interfere with their choices.


The Palestinian leadership also have choice. Sadly most of them refuse to have self-determination because they completely reject the concept of Jews in the region. Of course you have no issue with Hamas or much of Fatah demanding self determination while denying the same for Jews.
 

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Sorry but unlike their brethren who listened to hateful Palestinian and Arab leaders, their families CHOSE to be part of what the UN called the Jewish State and polling says that in a peace deal, Israeli Arabs would overwhelmingly CHOOSE to stay Israeli. You don't have the right to interfere with their choices..
Are you trying to claim that they 'chose' to stay in their homes instead of being ethnically cleansed when they were militarily occupied?
That's some fucked up logic, basketcase.

You're still defending apartheid rule of law.
 

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Israel Arab's do not have a choice for the right of self determination.
That is defined by law in Israel and given only to Israeli Jews.

And not to those who have lived under Israeli military rule in the Occupied Territories for half a century.

That's apartheid, as you called it.
do Jamaican Canadians have a right of self-determination here in Canada?
 

Phil C. McNasty

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You're still defending apartheid
Of course we are sunshine, if we let Palestinians (and your lot, meaning anti-semites) into Israel they would have a civil war on their hands within a few months or so.

So for now, best to keep YOU LOT away from all civilized people
 

Frankfooter

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Of course we are sunshine, if we let Palestinians (and your lot, meaning anti-semites) into Israel they would have a civil war on their hands within a few months or so.

So for now, best to keep YOU LOT away from all civilized people
I know you are a full on supporter of apartheid.
Basketcase is too, but won't admit it, instead constantly trying to change the subject to Hamas.

New Jerusalem ‘Apartheid Road’ Opens, Separating Palestinians and Jewish Settlers
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...palestinians-and-west-bank-settlers-1.6827201

That's why the ICC should come in lay charges.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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New Jerusalem ‘Apartheid Road’ Opens, Separating Palestinians and Jewish Settlers
Good....good....keep the riff raff out!! :wave:
 

basketcase

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Are you trying to claim that they 'chose' to stay in their homes ...
Yes. Even the sources you posted as groggy showed that the vast majority who left did so long before they even saw an Israeli soldier. It was fear and not any ethnic cleansing. (and I don't see you objecting to the Jews who were ethnically cleansed from Old Jerusalem by the Jordanian Arab Legion despite being the largest group there for hundreds of years or the Jewish population chased from Hebron by racist mobs).

What is fucked up is you now supporting ethno-states and ignoring that Arab Israeli self-determination had/has them choosing to be Israeli.
 

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