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Yes and no. .
The answer is just 'no'.

The settlements are all illegal, as stated by the UN and international law.
There are 2.5 million Palestinian refugees who are awaiting their lawful return or just retribution, to the land stolen from them through war.
 

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The answer is just 'no'.

The settlements are all illegal, as stated by the UN and international law.
There are 2.5 million Palestinian refugees who are awaiting their lawful return or just retribution, to the land stolen from them through war.
Some of the settlements in Hebron or around Jerusalem and parts of the Old City of Jerusalem were Jewish owned land until (actual) ethnic cleansing by Arab and Jordan (much of it Jewish owned for centuries under the Ottomans). Only someone with a hate filled double standard can argue that Palestinians have a right to live in Israel but Jews don't have a right to live on land that they owned.


And we all know your view on Jews in the West Bank is why you refuse to discuss Hamas gunning down civilians at bus stops.
 

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Such a great choice!
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I agree it is abhorrent that groups like Jewish Home and that Kahanists are allowed to run for political office and disgusting that Netanyahu is trying to use them to hold onto power. Otzma Yehudit is almost as bad as Hamas in their support of racial violence. It is worth noting that Israel has repeatedly jailed Kahanists and has on several occasions banned them from public activities.

Why is it that you have no problem condemning racist groups in Israel yet refuse to do so for Hamas?
 

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Some of the settlements in Hebron or around Jerusalem and home ownership in the Old City of Jerusalem were Jewish owned land until (actual) ethnic cleansing by Arab and Jordan (much of it Jewish owned for centuries under the Ottomans). Only someone with a hate filled double standard can argue that Palestinians have a right to live in Israel but Jews don't have a right to live on land that they owned.
Bring in the ICC then and let them rule on historic settlements and all settlements since 1948.
 

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Bring in the ICC then and let them rule on historic settlements and all settlements since 1948.
Considering Hamas refuses to consider any deal as being a final resolution to the conflict, what good will the ICC do? Will you support the UN invading Gaza and disarming Hamas?
 

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Considering Hamas refuses to consider any deal as being a final resolution to the conflict, what good will the ICC do? Will you support the UN invading Gaza and disarming Hamas?
Considering also that Israels present government doesn't support the two state solution any more, its a good question.
But international pressure is what ended South African apartheid and its the peaceful route towards change.
Rulings from the ICC are a good start, as is BDS.

Both Hamas and Israel need to change.
Right?
 

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Considering also that Israels present government doesn't support the two state solution any more
So instead of criticizing Hamas you try to lie about Israel again. Israel's government has endorsed a two-state peace as the only solution for decades and has agreed to or made many offers along those lines.

Meanwhile we never hear you criticize Hamas who is overtly opposed to anything less than the ethnic cleansing of the Jewish presence and the establishment of an Islamic Caliphate under their control.
 

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So instead of criticizing Hamas you try to lie about Israel again. Israel's government has endorsed a two-state peace as the only solution for decades and has agreed to or made many offers along those lines.
Decades ago, they did.
Since then they've used peace talks as a delaying tactic while they occupy more of Palestine through settlements.
And over the last 4 years there has been no pretence of peace talks or of the two state solution.
Your present government doesn't even give lip service to the two state solution any more.

That's why you need to support the one state solution with equal rights.
Its the only decent solution left.
 

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Decades ago, they did....

It just shows your racist double standard when you complain Israel hasn't made a peace offer in a decade while completely ignoring that your Hamas heroes refuse to even be involved in peace talks and promote ethnic cleansing through terrorism.

And I know you think that Arabs need you to tell them how to behave but according to the most recent Palestinian polling, only 22% of Palestinians support equal rights and the only one-state solution your idols in Hamas support is one free of Jews (the same poll has 53% of Palestinians supporting attacks on civilians inside Israel).
 

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It just shows your racist double standard when you complain Israel hasn't made a peace offer in a decade while completely ignoring that your Hamas heroes refuse to even be involved in peace talks and promote ethnic cleansing through terrorism.

And I know you think that Arabs need you to tell them how to behave but according to the most recent Palestinian polling, only 22% of Palestinians support equal rights and the only one-state solution your idols in Hamas support is one free of Jews (the same poll has 53% of Palestinians supporting attacks on civilians inside Israel).
Your bullshit is endless.
Hamas was in peace/ceasefire talks with Israel/Egypt when Israel destroyed the peace talks with a cover operation to 'install some cameras' as you claim, which ended up with those camera installers killing Palestinians and killing peace talks.
https://www.thejc.com/comment/analy...aza-could-not-have-been-more-awkward-1.472332
 

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Your bullshit is endless.
Hamas was in peace/ceasefire talks with Israel/Egypt when Israel destroyed the peace talks with a cover operation to 'install some cameras' as you claim, which ended up with those camera installers killing Palestinians and killing peace talks.
https://www.thejc.com/comment/analy...aza-could-not-have-been-more-awkward-1.472332
And look at you once again making excuses for Hamas choosing to launch hundreds of war crime rockets.

Sad that you want to criticize Israel because Israeli and Hamas troops got in a gun battle but don't want to discuss how Hamas sending people to gun down civilians at a bus stop fits in with their alleged desire for a ceasefire.


Hamas absolutely rejects peace talks and is clear they are against Jews living in their Islamic State but you never bother to criticize them for it. Do you ignore it because you think Arabs are incapable of moral choices or do you give terrorists a pass simply becaus ethey ahve the same goal as you?
 

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And look at you once again making excuses for Hamas choosing to launch hundreds of war crime rockets.
I see, so you have no problem with Israeli agents doing a covert operation that killed 8 people which killed peace talks.
Those rockets were sent in retaliation to Israel's covert Gaza operation, there was zero chance of that happening during peace talks otherwise.

And yes, Hamas' rockets are war crimes since they can't be targeted only at military targets.
So sure, investigate Hamas for those rockets and Israel for killing 8 Palestinians, and the blockade, the occupation, the settlements, killing protesters and apartheid, while you're at it.

Investigate them all.

Start here:
Israeli forces kill Gaza boy during protest
https://electronicintifada.net/blog...y/israeli-forces-kill-gaza-boy-during-protest

Another child killed by Israeli snipers, shooting behind a prison wall at unarmed civilians.
 

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I see, so you have no problem with Israeli agents doing a covert operation that killed 8 people which killed peace talks.....
There were no peace talks, merely very narrow ceasefire talks that somehow didn't cover Hamas gunning down civilians at bus stops.

But I know you are desperate to make excuses for Hamas launching hundreds of war crimes.


p.s. Why do you keep saying we "investigate" Hamas when Hamas openly admits what they are doing?
 

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Are you now against ceasefire talks?
Unlike you I am against Hamas choosing to commit war crimes and gunning down civilians at bus stops (and their complete rejection of peace, their fundamentalist religious view, their corruption...).
 

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You are trying to change the subject....
This from the guy trying to change the topic away from Hamas war crimes.

Your continual attempts to blame Hamas' choice to commit war crimes on a gun battle between the IDF and Hamas troops is just more proof of your views being driven by hatred rather than human rights as you like to pretend.
 

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This from the guy trying to change the topic away from Hamas war crimes.
You said you thought Israel's covert action that killed ceasefire talks and instigated violence that left many dead were not even worth discussion and the only issue was that Hamas responded to the Israeli action.
 

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You said you thought Israel's covert action that killed ceasefire talks and instigated violence that left many dead were not even worth discussion and the only issue was that Hamas responded to the Israeli action.
I never said they weren't worth discussion but simply have been disgusted by the way you keep looking for excuses for Hamas war crimes instead of criticizing them.

Do you want to also discuss the incendiary attacks from Gaza and Hamas terror activities in the West Bank during those alleged ceasefire talks?
 
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