Trial begins for Charlottesville murder suspect James Fields Jr.

I guess we won't be seeing much of smallcock for the next while.
I'm sure he'll be there on behalf of the defence with his massive stock of youtube clips.

I hope he gets life in prison, driving a car into a group of people is just evil

Life in prison is a fair sentence for this douchebag. Stick him in max security prison with the smallest % of white people...

Frankfooter said:

I guess we won't be seeing much of smallcock for the next while.
I'm sure he'll be there on behalf of the defence with his massive stock of youtube clips.

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Well not long before Bud plug rushes to the defence of this "innocent" killer!!

oagre said:

It's Virginia. In the South, they still have Death Row. And there's a pretty good argument that Fields planned his stunt ahead of time.

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Really? What is that "pretty good argument"? How did he know the march was even going to turn up 4th street (where his car would be trapped if they didn't decide to turn there, because of vehicles stopped ahead of him at the intersection of 4th and Water)? No one else knew, because there was no march permit or planned march route. How could he know they would choose to turn up a vehicular street when there were other streets adjacent which were pedestrian only malls? Why didn't he just run over some protesters when he drove along any of the other streets he took on his way to 4th and Water? Video shows that he drove right past large groups of protesters along Water St. minutes before the crash on 4th. Can't wait to hear this "pretty good argument"!

Bud Plug said:

Really? What is that "pretty good argument"? How did he know the march was even going to turn up 4th street (where his car would be trapped if they didn't decide to turn there, because of vehicles stopped ahead of him at the intersection of 4th and Water)? No one else knew, because there was no march permit or planned march route. How could he know they would choose to turn up a vehicular street when there were other streets adjacent which were pedestrian only malls? Why didn't he just run over some protesters when he drove along any of the other streets he took on his way to 4th and Water? Video shows that he drove right past large groups of protesters along Water St. minutes before the crash on 4th. Can't wait to hear this "pretty good argument"!

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Can't wait to hear his argument for self defence, sure it'll go like this:
'I was afeared for my life, your honour, as Is is very scared of all people of colour, specially after I yelled at them all day with my tiki torches and guns'.

Bud Plug said:

Really? ...

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I'm shocked they started the trial. Didn't you send them your proof?

Bud Plug said:

Really? What is that "pretty good argument"? How did he know the march was even going to turn up 4th street (where his car would be trapped if they didn't decide to turn there, because of vehicles stopped ahead of him at the intersection of 4th and Water)? No one else knew, because there was no march permit or planned march route. How could he know they would choose to turn up a vehicular street when there were other streets adjacent which were pedestrian only malls? Why didn't he just run over some protesters when he drove along any of the other streets he took on his way to 4th and Water? Video shows that he drove right past large groups of protesters along Water St. minutes before the crash on 4th. Can't wait to hear this "pretty good argument"!

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Real facts please:

The indictment said that after the rally was dispersed, Fields drove to where the counterprotest was taking place in downtown Charlottesville and backed up to the top of a hill.

“Fields then rapidly accelerated, ran through a stop sign and across a raised pedestrian mall, and drove directly into the crowd, striking numerous individuals, killing Heather Heyer, and injuring many others,’’ the indictment said. “Fields’ vehicle stopped only when it struck another vehicle ... He then rapidly reversed his vehicle and fled the scene.’’

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...esville-killer-argue-self-defense/2115898002/

oagre said:

As well, where is the evidence of provocation? Of a fight? Of any reason he would lose his temper? Of anything that would make it 2nd degree murder.

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How can you post so frequently about this incident and not know the answer to your own question?

As you know, you don't have to be provoked into a fight or lose your temper to have a (mens rea) defense to murder. All you need is a circumstance which caused you to act without an opportunity to reasonably consider the consequences of your actions, or reasonably control your actions, such as perceiving and reacting to a significant and immediate threat to your safety.

The evidence will include that he was confronted by a group of armed protesters (with guns) only one block north of the accident who chased his car away from their location. The evidence will also include the fact that he did not accelerate the vehicle into the collision until his car was attacked by a second group of protesters (with sticks) a short distance from the actual collision. The evidence will include that the collision took place at a speed insufficient to trigger any air bags on Fields car or the vehicles impacted, or to critically injure any of the people who can be seen to be contacted by Fields car. None of that is consistent with Fields carrying out a plan to kill protesters.

And then there is the evidence that he had no way of predicting the location of the protesters, as I've already alluded to.

And, of course, there is the actus reus issue of how the collision caused the death of Heyer. Still no video showing her to have been struck either by the vehicle, persons who were struck by the vehicle, or collision debris.

bver_hunter said:

Real facts please:

The indictment said that after the rally was dispersed, Fields drove to where the counterprotest was taking place in downtown Charlottesville and backed up to the top of a hill.

“Fields then rapidly accelerated, ran through a stop sign and across a raised pedestrian mall, and drove directly into the crowd, striking numerous individuals, killing Heather Heyer, and injuring many others,’’ the indictment said. “Fields’ vehicle stopped only when it struck another vehicle ... He then rapidly reversed his vehicle and fled the scene.’’

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...esville-killer-argue-self-defense/2115898002/

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Indictments are not facts. They are assertions of fact.

Multiple videos show that his vehicle only accelerated from a point that was a relatively short distance from the point of collision. That point was from between the preceding stop sign and the point of the collision (so he clearly didn't speed through a stop sign). He didn't even achieve enough speed to trigger air bag deployment on collision. It was, objectively, a low speed collision. 4th street does cross another street which is a pedestrian mall. There is no evidence that Fields did anything other than drive across that side street (which all vehicles must do) as he approached the intersection of 4th and Water. Based on video which no one has claimed is fraudulent, the indictment is inaccurate. This will be easy to prove. It's simple physics to calculate the distance and rate of acceleration required to achieve a speed less than 28 mph at impact.

He did reverse his vehicle and flee the scene, but of course a number of protesters were trying to smash in the windows of his vehicle at that point. I'm not going to be surprised when he says he feared for his life and that's why he fled. There is no evidence he tried to hide from or avoid the police when they came to arrest him. There is video showing him driving slowly in downtown Charlottesville after the accident past police officers (with his damaged bumper dragging on the road). Not exactly an attempt at a getaway run.

oagre said:

I'm sure Bud will keep us all informed on how the prosecution has blown the case and Fields is bound to get off - right up to the point where the jury convicts and the judge passes the death sentence.

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I don't make predictions based on the performance of counsel. All my comments have been based on publicly available evidence. I have acknowledged that there will be some evidence introduced at trial which is not publicly available, though I have my doubts that there will be a video which has a camera angle showing Fields being struck by the vehicle (or struck down as a direct consequence of the collision). It seems like the approach of the prosecution is the same as that being displayed here on TERB - Heyer died near the collision, so she must have been killed by the collision. Tenuous logic, in my opinion.

Of course, there are many politically charged cases which make for unpredictable and unreliable results in jury trials.

Bud Plug said:

Indictments are not facts. They are assertions of fact.

Multiple videos show that his vehicle only accelerated from a point that was a relatively short distance from the point of collision. That point was from between the preceding stop sign and the point of the collision (so he clearly didn't speed through a stop sign). He didn't even achieve enough speed to trigger air bag deployment on collision. It was, objectively, a low speed collision. 4th street does cross another street which is a pedestrian mall. There is no evidence that Fields did anything other than drive across that side street (which all vehicles must do) as he approached the intersection of 4th and Water. Based on video which no one has claimed is fraudulent, the indictment is inaccurate. This will be easy to prove. It's simple physics to calculate the distance and rate of acceleration required to achieve a speed less than 28 mph at impact.

He did reverse his vehicle and flee the scene, but of course a number of protesters were trying to smash in the windows of his vehicle at that point. I'm not going to be surprised when he says he feared for his life and that's why he fled. There is no evidence he tried to hide from or avoid the police when they came to arrest him. There is video showing him driving slowly in downtown Charlottesville after the accident past police officers (with his damaged bumper dragging on the road). Not exactly an attempt at a getaway run.

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We are going over the same nonsense for the umpteenth time. Anyway, I can see why you defend Field's to the extent that you do. This article says it all and explains your line of thought:

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/08/driver-acting-self-defense/

bver_hunter said:

We are going over the same nonsense for the umpteenth time. Anyway, I can see why you defend Field's to the extent that you do. This article says it all and explains your line of thought:

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/08/driver-acting-self-defense/

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You just keep saying the same stupid stuff, over and over. People like you love posting over the internet, because you can post your horrible reasoning in one big movement. In real life, you wouldn't get past your first sentence before being challenged on your inaccuracies and flawed reasoning.

Bud Plug said:

You just keep saying the same stupid stuff, over and over. People like you love posting over the internet, because you can post your horrible reasoning in one big movement. In real life, you wouldn't get past your first sentence before being challenged on your inaccuracies and flawed reasoning.

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Obviously, you did not read the link I posted. You are the one that is coming out with the same nonsense the whole time. If you read the article then you will know why Taylor Lorenz from The Hill believed the same garbage as you at first but then when she investigated the videos and the false facts put out by the alt right doctored videos, she then with consultation with the police corroborated the acute reasons why this idiot called Fields was charged with initially a Second Degree murder, that was later upgraded to a first degree murder!!

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Bud's getting pretty excited already. I'm guessing that he's going to break his own record for posting nonsense on this one.

In the meantime, let's all have a moment of silence for James Field who defended himself from a group of unarmed women a hundred yards away by killing one of them with his car in "self defence".

Buddy, this one's for you. Wait and watch as the trial unfolds and how the evidence comes out. At the end of the trial when your guy is led away to death row, we'll all feel for you.

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You see, you asked what I thought were serious questions about the evidence that would be introduced in the case, I answered your questions, and then you post this puerile trolling in response. That's why I find it hard to take any of your legal posts seriously, and why no one else should.