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Why do you people "TOFTT" when knowing the risk and pay for it??!!

Rapha El

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Can someone explain to me why you all encourage this kind of "TOFTT" or even bother to book ladies from Leolist. A large number of them are absolutely fake and even if they prove themselves to be real through a video or picture, you still have no idea how the service will go. You still end up taking a risk!

I only find reputable agencies and ladies who are very active on twitter/TERB/MERB . This tells me that they are almost always a guarantee good time. It is professional, and most seem to enjoy the work and become amazing friends/companions! You know exactly what you will be getting service wise with no hassle.

When booking ladies off Leolist that do not have the following criteria above, will usually end up like this experience https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?656570-Review-Vanessa-New-in-area-***-***-0922 if not worse.

I am not judging anyone who likes the "thrill" of finding new providers but if I don't see a lady who does not put much effort into the market like building a website, active twitter feed, agency backed up, than I don't think it is worth investing my money and time. We should encourage more agencies and reputable SPs by reviewing them so they visit often or make a base in Ottawa. If it's a money thing, consider saving up and wait till a good lady comes by. It's much better to wait for a experience than to go risking on a unreputable lady.

All the ladies I have reviewed are very reputable and I have never had any issues. I don't need to worry about TOFTT. It's so simple.
 

Jiffy Pop

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Rapha I started hobbying by looking at The Ottawa Sun or Le Droit so I predate all the websites. As for not having to worry because all the girls you see are reputable I have run into problems a few times over the years with highly recommended girls also. Your odds are much better the way you do it but never a guaranty.
 

Rapha El

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Rapha I started hobbying by looking at The Ottawa Sun or Le Droit so I predate all the websites. As for not having to worry because all the girls you see are reputable I have run into problems a few times over the years with highly recommended girls also. Your odds are much better the way you do it but never a guaranty.
You and I are the same but I am speaking to the ones who risk their money booking the girls off leolist with no reputation, no activity on twitter and no self promotion.

Lets say you and I hobby every month. You tofft off leolist while I only book reputable SPs or even new SPs that have active Twitter/Merb/Terb with websites. At the end of the year, who do you think will have better overall experiences? I think the odds will favour me way more!!

If we see more of these SPs instead of Leolist scams, than we will shift the monetary stream towards the ones who actually deserve it. Thus, encouraging more providers to follow that trend. We weed out the bad ones that simply don't care!
 

funfunfun010101

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Really come on now guy, I know TOFTT might now be for you but you really need to ask why? Do you think all great providers just start off out of nowhere with great reviews.
 
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OnTheWayOut

You (OP) should be thanking those who have TOFTT, as every single provider you have seen had someone TOFTT to discover them at one time. If we all stop TOFTT then as SPs retire or move on you will run out of reputable girls to see. Then what do you do?

Instead of criticizing guys for doing it, you should be thanking them.
 

funfunfun010101

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You (OP) should be thanking those who have TOFTT, as every single provider you have seen had someone TOFTT to discover them at one time. If we all stop TOFTT then as SPs retire or move on you will run out of reputable girls to see. Then what do you do?

Instead of criticizing guys for doing it, you should be thanking them.
Slurp bang on but sadly lot of members on here don't understand this.

OP: Let's compare it to something else. Lets say nobody wants to be a farmer anymore and everyone just wants to buy their produce from a grocery story. So let's go over this again. No farmers anymore just people looking to buy what farmers used to grow. See a problem??

This also goes hand and hand with the ones that love the info they get on here but the sharing part not so much!
 

kherg007

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Slurp bang on but sadly lot of members on here don't understand this.

OP: Let's compare it to something else. Lets say nobody wants to be a farmer anymore and everyone just wants to buy their produce from a grocery story. So let's go over this again. No farmers anymore just people looking to buy what farmers used to grow. See a problem??

This also goes hand and hand with the ones that love the info they get on here but the sharing part not so much!
Correct gentlemen! Many great ladies have been discovered by these hardy pioneers. I tend to see only well reviewed ladies, but have done 2 or 3 TOFTT because I felt so guilty harvesting the efforts of these trail blazing men without returning something to them.
 

BillReid451

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Because I've found quite a few hidden gems over the years by TOFTT. Yes, there are some duds but it's worth it when you find some real diamonds in the rough.
 

Rapha El

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You (OP) should be thanking those who have TOFTT, as every single provider you have seen had someone TOFTT to discover them at one time. If we all stop TOFTT then as SPs retire or move on you will run out of reputable girls to see. Then what do you do?

Instead of criticizing guys for doing it, you should be thanking them.
Once again, I am not hating on the idea of TOFTT itself. I'm saying it is important who we decide to TOFTT on.

Dedicated ladies on twitter/TERB/MERB/AGENCY vs undedicated ladies off Leolist. Both can be new and unreviewed. Both can be good or bad. HOWEVER, which lady do you think will care enough to give me a good service and low risk??
 

Rapha El

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Really come on now guy, I know TOFTT might now be for you but you really need to ask why? Do you think all great providers just start off out of nowhere with great reviews.
Of course they all start of new. I am not denying that. I'm just pointing out on who you decide to see and spend your money and who deserves it.
 

Rapha El

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I should post here given that I'm all about the TOFTTs.

1. I have MANY toftt over the years (over 30). I can honestly say that my success rate is GREAT (over 90% positive).
2. I never get faked out by fakers because I follow a due diligent booking process.
3. When I'm done my screening process, I have a good enough feel for an escort to know what to expect from her (attitude-factor). I've been at this for a while and I can read between the lines of reviews, ads, and texts.
4. As mentioned above, all the well-reviewed escorts first started with a TOFTT.
5. There's the thrill of being the one discovering a new Gems which is very satisfying.
6. There's also solid private groups of hobbyists that work together at finding the GREAT TOFTT PROSPECTS.
7. A lot of the reputable escorts may not align with one's preferences in regards to rates, services, and/or physical characteristics. Or just in the name of variety!
8. For well-reviewed escorts, sometimes the reviewers are (too) easily satisfied, I've experienced this first hand.
9. I've always booked un-established escorts on leolist (and backpage before). It honestly works for me otherwise I would have changed my ways a lot time ago.
10. When escorts provide proof, they tend to be honest, so what they state in terms of services tends to be truthful. So the question is: will there be chemistry or not... The last factor after the real-factor, attitude-factor, and service-factor right? Well that's the same with well-reviewed escorts: will there be chemistry?
11. Well reviewed-escorts can be high-volume which sometimes can be unattractive for many reasons.
12. With un-established escorts, one has a bigger selection at usually a cheaper cost.

Is 12 reasons enough?

1. 90% positive? Awesome. I have 100% positive, 100% of the time so far.

2. You never get faked? Well I never have to worry about it in the first place. I get to see REAL pictures. Unlike Leolist sketchy scam artists.

3. Screening process? what like you have a list of questionnaires for them?? I never had to. The dedicated ladies already have everything I need off their websites.

4. I'd rather TOFTT on the one who actually shows that she cares!

5. I get thrills knowing the fact that I have very low chance of getting shit service! Also the thrill of helping the beautiful ladies who care about the industry.

6. Irrelevant

7. The market is huge. Any SP can run however they see fit. As long as they show they are dedicated. If we support the right ones, you can start to see a better price point.

8. This is just the matter of someone's opinion. Not a good reason if you ask me. Infact the opposite in many of my backpage days.

9. Awesome if it keeps working, keep going. My money on reputable escorts worked out for me fabulously. However I don't think many people agree with you on that and based on the number of bad reviews we see on TOFTT.

10. They may provide proof, but you're still left gambling.

11. If money is a concern, I agree. Budget is important. I like to argue that it is worth waiting for or saving up money for the established provider.

12. Don't forget high risk. The cheaper the price, the low the quality.
 
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OnTheWayOut

I for one want to thank Rapha El for straightening us all out. How on earth have we ever managed before? All these decades I thought I was having fun but now I'll need to reevaluate. Thx! :drum:
 

asuran

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Some people like a sense of adventure or like the achievement of discovering the next great experience.
It's fun if successful and we'll complement each other on the forum. Sometimes there'll be duds and we get to whine about it on a public forum.

Everyone do what's comfortable for themselves. We all have our base line of how we 'hobby'

Also please go easy on bobbiz.
 

hoffa68

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There are all kinds of risks when TOFTT. But there are also no guarantees of quality when seeing SPs that are on Twitter etc. Ottawa has a small pool of well known independent SPs that are on Twitter. Add to the fact that you have different types of SPs that aren't to everyone's taste or budget that can limit the pool even more. And no saving up and waiting to afford them isn't an option for a lot of people. Just because it works for one doesnt mean it works for others.

There is also a lot of independent well reviewed SPs that are not on social media, many advertising on leo. This is where I find most of my SPs. But again, this is a small pool for me.

The problem with TOFTT is that most on LEO are new in town and highly likely run by pimps. We can use what ever system to avoid fakers but even if they are not using fake pics they are most likely being human trafficked.

This is one of the reason i have started to see more MAs when I can afford it.
 

Master Cuddles

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tl;dr

Someone has to. Gotta take a risk once in a while.

Case in point, Julia was my first toftt and it really paid off. Another toftt was Alexandra - had a pair of wonderful 2-hour sessions with her.
 

StillROAMing

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I've been trying to come up with the most polite way of replying to the question being asked without ruffling any feathers but I can't think of one sure way that won't.

Since starting in this hobby I've evolved in a sense, I haven't done a true TOFTT in well over a year but aside from a couple established SPs I still seek those new to me who are somewhat newer to the industry.
Why is this my pattern by choice? Not because of how far I can get but in the sense of how newer they are to the industry and that they've likely seen less clients...'Mileage'.
 

Gusto

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I've been trying to come up with the most polite way of replying to the question being asked without ruffling any feathers but I can't think of one sure way that won't.

Since starting in this hobby I've evolved in a sense, I haven't done a true TOFTT in well over a year but aside from a couple established SPs I still seek those new to me who are somewhat newer to the industry.
Why is this my pattern by choice? Not because of how far I can get but in the sense of how newer they are to the industry and that they've likely seen less clients...'Mileage'.
This board and its reviews have saved me from being ripped off a few times. I volunteered to toftt once with Arielle who I'd already chatted with and had a good feeling about and she didn't let me down. If I had more money I'd like to do it again but to me toftt doesn't mean just see some random to me it means of these couple people who I have a good vibe about who would people like me to take a chance on. I've had girls lie about who they are or under delivered however I have yet to leave an sp and not had them give me at least an orgasm lol.
 

Ares365

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Dropping in on this a bit late, and everyone has made some great points in support and in contrast to the original topic. If I may I'll drop my two cents below:

Ralpha: I totally understand your stance on seeing reputable/established ASPs. It's logically the best value-for-money and value-for-time, and if had a bit more sense when I started booking ladies, I would have used a similar approach as you. I'm still kind of new to the hobby, and when I started, I had no clue about TERB or screenings processes/strategies or TOFTT. Really, I just found a girl that I liked (on Leolist), did some research, a few reverse image searches, talked to her and did as best I could to read between the lines and be skeptical, ask the important questions, etc. Turns out, we really clicked, her pics were accurate, we both had a great time, and I've been meaning to get back and see her ever since! Similar to the adage "cheap service isn't good, good service isn't cheap" I hold to the opinion "established providers aren't always good, good providers aren't always established". Yes, searching for a lady on Leolist isn't ideal and has definite disadvantages compared to Backpage or cross-referencing with social media. That's just a fact of life, but if you take the appropriate precautions, do your homework and pay attention to the details/read between the lines, most of the time you'll get by alright. It's also been brought up that it's rare for a provider to get great reviews and generate a buzz immediately after starting. Sometimes, a girl needs to find her comfort zone before she is really able to start making her mark. Bear in mind that some of the established ladies you see were first discovered, reviewed and shared with other clients by a brave few pioneering individuals (some of whom may be in this community or on this thread) when those ladies were getting started. And those first few clients helped to make the reputation of those ladies, so you can have the benefit of their company today.

Everybody else: Let's try not to beat up on Ralpha or box him in on all sides. A witch hunt isn't what a small community like ours needs at the moment. He does have some good points about the risks of TOFTT and even suggested some of his methods to find more established ASPs and MAs. And I'm sure, if given the chance on a different day, he would be happy to help other users (such as myself) who may not have much time/experience with the hobby or with screening and booking girls. Let's all also recognize that the nature and purpose of these forums and the topics discussed are highly subject to personal opinions, preferences and views that are unique to each person here. I think it's great that this community has a mix of younger, less experienced, more adventurous guys with a little extra disposable income (I consider myself as one of these) who are willing to go and try new things with newer ladies, in addition to an old guard, consisting of more experienced, more cautious gents who have learned what works, what doesn't, what's fishy, what's reliable, and generally have a good eye for spotting ads that are too good to be true. The fact we have this mix helps to keep the community fresh with new ideas and old tips, gives newer guys a chance to learn a bit before the training wheels come off, and gives older guys a chance to discover great escorts/massage attendants they may not have tried themselves. I think that's awesome and everyone here should do their part to maintain that atmosphere!

Let's be civil with each other and remember the activity we're talking about on these forums (and the discussion itself) is one of the most fun and exciting a person of sexual maturity can engage in :biggrin: :biggrin:
 
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