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CIA 'blames Saudi prince for murder' of Jamal Khashoggi

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The CIA believes that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, according to US media reports.

Sources close to the agency said it had assessed the evidence in detail.

It is understood there is no "smoking gun" but US officials think such an operation would need the prince's approval.

Saudi Arabia has called the claim false and insisted that the crown prince knew nothing about plans for the killing.

It says Khashoggi was killed as a result of a "rogue operation".

US President Donald Trump said he had yet to be briefed by the CIA on its reported findings but would speak to them.

As he has done since news of Khashoggi's killing emerged, he stressed the importance of Saudi Arabia to the US.

"They have been a truly spectacular ally in terms of jobs and economic development," he said. "I have to take a lot of things into consideration."

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While there has been widespread international condemnation of Khashoggi's murder there has been little in the way of substantial action.

The journalist was killed after entering the Saudi consulate in Istanbul on 2 October to obtain a marriage document. His body has not been found.

Turkey also insists the order to kill him came from the highest levels.

What is the CIA's finding based on?
The Washington Post, which Khashoggi worked for, says the CIA assessment was based partly on a phone call made by the crown prince's brother, Prince Khalid bin Salman, the Saudi ambassador to the US.

Prince Khalid allegedly called Khashoggi at the direction of his brother and gave him assurances that he would be safe to go to the consulate.


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Prince Khalid, now back in Saudi Arabia, said on Twitter that he had not been in contact with Khashoggi for nearly a year.

He said he had never suggested Khashoggi - who had been in London for a conference until the day before his disappearance - should go to Turkey for any reason.

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It is understood agents have also examined a call made to a senior aide of Crown Prince bin Salman by the team that carried out the killing.

Sources quoted in the US media stressed that there was no single piece of evidence linking the crown prince directly to the murder, but officials believe such an operation would have needed his approval.
 

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The Turkish Foreign Minister stated that the body was cut out in parts and smuggled out of Turkey by the perpetrators of the murder of Khashoggi.
In spite of briefing this idiot called Trump, he is playing down the involvement of the Saudi Prince. Apparently, Trump will confirm whether the Prince was involved on Tuesday after he meets with the CIA to be briefed about the evidence!!
 

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The Turkish Foreign Minister stated that the body was cut out in parts and smuggled out of Turkey by the perpetrators of the murder of Khashoggi.
In spite of briefing this idiot called Trump, he is playing down the involvement of the Saudi Prince. Apparently, Trump will confirm whether the Prince was involved on Tuesday after he meets with the CIA to be briefed about the evidence!!
If you are saying that you would be prepared to accept the findings of Turkey (didn't they previously claim the body parts were buried in the Consulate gardens?), without confirming those findings with the CIA, then I think we've found at least one idiot, but it isn't Trump.

p.s. Looks like the CIA are offering another one of their "high degree of confidence" opinions. How much do you trust the CIA's judgement?
 

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If you are saying that you would be prepared to accept the findings of Turkey (didn't they previously claim the body parts were buried in the Consulate gardens?), without confirming those findings with the CIA, then I think we've found at least one idiot, but it isn't Trump.

p.s. Looks like the CIA are offering another one of their "high degree of confidence" opinions. How much do you trust the CIA's judgement?
Trump speaking to Fox news' Wallace:
WALLACE: A month ago you said you had spoken with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman and that he had told you directly that he had no knowledge of this.

TRUMP: That’s right, that’s right and still says that.

WALLACE: But we now know that some of the people closest to him, some of his closest advisers were part of this. Question: Did MBS lie to you, sir?

TRUMP: I don’t — I don’t know, you know, who could really know? But I can say this he’s got many people now that say he had no knowledge.

WALLACE: What if the crown prince speaking to you, the president of the United States directly lied to you about—

TRUMP: Well, he told me that he had nothing to do with it, he told me that, I would say, maybe five times at different points.

WALLACE: But what if he’s lying?

TRUMP: As recently as a few days ago.

WALLACE: Do you just live with it because you need him?

TRUMP: Well, will anybody really know? All right, will anybody really know? But he did have certainly people that were reasonably close to him and close to him that were probably involved. You saw we put on very heavy sanctions, massive sanctions, on a large group of people from Saudi Arabia. But at the same time we do have an ally and I want to stick with an ally that in many ways has been very good.

Those are the exact same answers Trump gave about Putin fucking over the election to put him in power.
Trump trusts the word of despots and refuses to accept the findings of US intel.

Just as he refuses to accept US intel that NK is now building more missile sites:
(same interview)
TRUMP: Well, I think North Korea’s been very tough because you know we were very close. When I took that over, President Obama, right in those two chairs, we sat and talked and he said that’s by far the biggest problem that this country has. And I think we had real decision as to which way to go on North Korea and certainly, at least so far, I’m very happy with the way we went. I have a very good relationship with—

WALLACE: Even though there was talk that they putting up new sites?

TRUMP: Maybe they are, maybe they’re not, I don’t believe that, I don’t. And you know could which is — if that’s the way it goes, that’s the way it goes. You know, I go with the way we have to go, but so far it’s been good, we have a very good relationship.
 

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The Turkish Foreign Minister stated that the body was cut out in parts and smuggled out of Turkey by the perpetrators of the murder of Khashoggi.
In spite of briefing this idiot called Trump, he is playing down the involvement of the Saudi Prince. Apparently, Trump will confirm whether the Prince was involved on Tuesday after he meets with the CIA to be briefed about the evidence!!
Yup I am sure that sick bastard MBS wanted to see his head. He's a total psycho.
 

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If you are saying that you would be prepared to accept the findings of Turkey (didn't they previously claim the body parts were buried in the Consulate gardens?), without confirming those findings with the CIA, then I think we've found at least one idiot, but it isn't Trump.

p.s. Looks like the CIA are offering another one of their "high degree of confidence" opinions. How much do you trust the CIA's judgement?
You caught the bull by the tail. Something you are good at. Those findings were from unofficial sources, that the parts of the body were discovered in the Consulate garden. It was never confirmed by the official sources who later said that nothing was found in the Consulate. So if you have any evidence that the Turkish Government confirmed that parts of the body were found in the garden please share it!!

But read and learn:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...y-parts-out-of-country-cnn-turk-idUSKCN1NN0H9

When Trump says he knows it all, and claimed to have more knowledge than the Intelligence agencies can you not understand this basic BS by this idiot!!
 

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The CIA. Now there's a trustworthy source..... They wouldn't lie to us would they ?
Well, look at this way.

Defending Mister Bone Saw as the truth teller here is:

Trump
MBS
Big Sleazy

vs

CIA
Turkey
Every media source on the planet, including Fox.

And then there is the video evidence.

Guess that leaves you with the bullshitter in chief.
 

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Well, look at this way.

Defending Mister Bone Saw as the truth teller here is:

Trump
MBS
Big Sleazy

vs

CIA
Turkey
Every media source on the planet, including Fox.

And then there is the video evidence.

Guess that leaves you with the bullshitter in chief.
The right wingers are questioning the CIA briefing, and they believe Trump's version that the Saudi Prince had "No Involvement" in this case. Well to Trump, Saudi Arabia is a "Spectacular Ally".
Hilarious!!
 

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You caught the bull by the tail. Something you are good at. Those findings were from unofficial sources, that the parts of the body were discovered in the Consulate garden. It was never confirmed by the official sources who later said that nothing was found in the Consulate. So if you have any evidence that the Turkish Government confirmed that parts of the body were found in the garden please share it!!

But read and learn:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...y-parts-out-of-country-cnn-turk-idUSKCN1NN0H9

When Trump says he knows it all, and claimed to have more knowledge than the Intelligence agencies can you not understand this basic BS by this idiot!!
Oh, that's right, it was "sources within the the Turkish government" that the media reported on who claimed parts were found in the gardens!. LOL! I guess we should disregard such stories based on unnamed sources. Double LOL!

I know you'll hate what I'm about to say, but this seems to be shaping up to be a case where the perpetrators covered their tracks at least well enough to deny investigators the evidence they would need to directly attribute what happened to MBS. (As I've said before, the one thing I can accept without further proof is that the Saudis are not amateurs when it comes to assassination). I know how you hate hearing that the evidence for what you've already accepted as fact might not stand up to a high level of scrutiny.

So now what, strike a bold foreign policy pose based on "we have a "high degree of confidence" that MBS must have been behind it"?
 

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Oh, that's right, it was "sources within the the Turkish government" that the media reported on who claimed parts were found in the gardens!. LOL! I guess we should disregard such stories based on unnamed sources. Double LOL!

I know you'll hate what I'm about to say, but this seems to be shaping up to be a case where the perpetrators covered their tracks at least well enough to deny investigators the evidence they would need to directly attribute what happened to MBS. (As I've said before, the one thing I can accept without further proof is that the Saudis are not amateurs when it comes to assassination). I know how you hate hearing that the evidence for what you've already accepted as fact might not stand up to a high level of scrutiny.

So now what, strike a bold foreign policy pose based on "we have a "high degree of confidence" that MBS must have been behind it"?
No it was not sources within the Turkish Government or the Government itself. One of the sources was the Turkish Opposition Party. Again no proof from you that the Sources "Within the Turkish Government" confirmed that body parts were found in the SA Consulate properties. I noticed how you conveniently did not provide that proof and just basically made some random allegations!! Admit that you were wrong in your assessment in this case!!
 

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Oh, that's right, it was "sources within the the Turkish government" that the media reported on who claimed parts were found in the gardens!. LOL! I guess we should disregard such stories based on unnamed sources. Double LOL!

I know you'll hate what I'm about to say, but this seems to be shaping up to be a case where the perpetrators covered their tracks at least well enough to deny investigators the evidence they would need to directly attribute what happened to MBS. (As I've said before, the one thing I can accept without further proof is that the Saudis are not amateurs when it comes to assassination). I know how you hate hearing that the evidence for what you've already accepted as fact might not stand up to a high level of scrutiny.

So now what, strike a bold foreign policy pose based on "we have a "high degree of confidence" that MBS must have been behind it"?

Gee, Bud. Given a choice between believing the CIA and believing your endless "Trump is always right" spiel, I'll take the CIA.

End of conversation. (But of course your going to post and argue with me 20 times. Cue: "How about weapons of mass destruction, oagre!")
 

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No it was not sources within the Turkish Government or the Government itself. One of the sources was the Turkish Opposition Party. Again no proof from you that the Sources "Within the Turkish Government" confirmed that body parts were found in the SA Consulate properties. I noticed how you conveniently did not provide that proof and just basically made some random allegations!! Admit that you were wrong in your assessment in this case!!
You mean Sky, and everyone who reported the Sky article, were taking the words of absolute nobodies on such an important point? LOL! Kind of makes you wonder about the quality of journalism, doesn't it? It should. Do you have a reason to believe anything the Turks would report? Do you think the Turkish authorities are trustworthy and/or reliable? How about the CIA? Trustworthy and reliable?

As usual, you miss the point, seemingly intentionally. Didn't you understand that I didn't accept the Sky story any more than I accept the surmise of Turkish officials, or the CIA for that matter. They are all conflicted on this issue. It's almost as if they are all doing their level best to ENSURE that the investigation is inconclusive.
 

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You mean Sky, and everyone who reported the Sky article, were taking the words of absolute nobodies on such an important point? LOL! Kind of makes you wonder about the quality of journalism, doesn't it? It should. Do you have a reason to believe anything the Turks would report? Do you think the Turkish authorities are trustworthy and/or reliable? How about the CIA? Trustworthy and reliable?

As usual, you miss the point, seemingly intentionally.
Bud anf Trump are the only ones so far in the world that believes MBS had nothing to do with the murder.p
 

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Gee, Bud. Given a choice between believing the CIA and believing your endless "Trump is always right" spiel, I'll take the CIA.

End of conversation. (But of course your going to post and argue with me 20 times. Cue: "How about weapons of mass destruction, oagre!")
Trump isn't always right. He's just right about 90% of the time you say he's wrong.
 

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Bud anf Trump are the only ones so far in the world that believes MBS had nothing to do with the murder.p
I can't wait to review the dossier you've prepared. Looks like the CIA only got as far as "high degree of confidence" again. Did you come up with more definitive proof?

My point is not that MBS is innocent. My point is that you, and many others, always think that the publicly available evidence is more persuasive and reliable than it is. You guys are suckers for propaganda!
 

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I can't wait to review the dossier you've prepared. Looks like the CIA only got as far as "high degree of confidence" again. Did you come up with more definitive proof?

My point is not that MBS is innocent. My point is that you, and many others, always think that the publicly available evidence is more persuasive and reliable than it is. You guys are suckers for propaganda!
You should work on your reading comprehension skills.

I did not claim to have any proof or knowledge of the material that points to MBS.

I simply stated that "Bud and Trump are the only ones so far in the world that believes MBS had nothing to do with the murder."

Capice?
 

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You should work on your reading comprehension skills.

I did not claim to have any proof or knowledge of the material that points to MBS.

I simply stated that "Bud and Trump are the only ones so far in the world that believes MBS had nothing to do with the murder."

Capice?
That just makes you look more stupid, since I've never said I believe that MBS had nothing to do with the murder. What I've said is that it looks like the perpetrators might have effectively covered up such that the necessary evidence (necessary to any pointed foreign policy response) can't be produced. 'Unnastan?
 
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