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Phil C. McNasty

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Yes I believe the planet has been warming and it has been doing so since the end of the LIA. What I DON'T believe is a) that the warming is unusual; b) that humans are causing the majority of it; and c) that the warming poses any threat to civilization. What I do believe is that the surface temperature record has been manipulated to support an agenda. Furthermore, I don't think it is remotely close to measuring temperature on a global scale since weather station's only cover about 15% of the total Earth's surface
This is exactly how I feel about it. I do think the CO2's contribute a small amount to global warming, but not very much.
Its certainly not gonna be catastrophic any time soon. I'd say we have at least 100 to 200 years to find a cleaner fuel source, and that works out perfect because by that time oil will have run out
 

Phil C. McNasty

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You should try reading about the science instead of making decisions based on your 'feelings'
You should try common sense instead of relying on complicated science you dont understand diddly dick shit about
 

Frankfooter

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You should try common sense instead of relying on complicated science
Wow, that's quite an arsenal you've got there, Phil.
Now you're using both 'feelings' and 'common sense' instead of that 'complicated science' stuff that I prefer.

Can I buy you a ticket to Freedumb Island as well?
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Can I buy you a ticket to Freedumb Island as well?
You dont need to buy a ticket, you're already there :nod:

And judging by your posts you wont be getting off the island anytime soon :spit:
 

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The UAH dataset says otherwise. And I'll trust that over Hansen's doctored data anytime.

Strange that you suddenly accept data even though it still shows a distinct upward trend. Will you still accept then next few months data where preliminary numbers show a noticeable increase?
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Did I hurt your 'feelings' Phil?
Is it harder to understand the debate now with hurt 'feelings'?
I think you're the one who is hurt, Frankie. I think my sig really got under your skin.
And from a few PM's I got from other terbites I'm not alone in that assertion
 

Frankfooter

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I think you're the one who is hurt, Frankie. I think my sig really got under your skin.
And from a few PM's I got from other terbites I'm not alone in that assertion
I'm having a fun day, Phil.
Just as I'm having fun posting your racist photo with commentary and honourably fulfilling my end of the bet.

I mean, how fucking hilarious is this as an argument about how you know so much more about climate change?
You should try common sense instead of relying on complicated science
That's almost as good as your quotes defending apartheid, you really are on a winning streak lately.
(Ok, except for the bet, you won that. But Trump won't last that much longer anyways and its more time to make fun of your support for him)
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I'm having a fun day, Phil
No, you're not. You might not realize this but your posts say a lot about you, and you're definitely not having fun.
You're full of hate for Trump, Israel and anyone remotely right-wing

Trump won't last that much longer anyways
Lets make another sig bet then
 

Frankfooter

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No, you're not. You might not realize this but your posts say a lot about you, and you're definitely not having fun.
You sound mad little fella. Your 'feelings' must really be smarting.
This is exactly how I feel about it. I do think the CO2's contribute a small amount to global warming, but not very much.
Tell us more about your 'feelings' about CO2.
I'm sure getting it off your chest will really open you up more, its common sense.
You should try common sense instead of relying on complicated science
I'll try not to confuse you with science again, we can get back to your 'feelings' about climate change soon enough.
 

K Douglas

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Strange that you suddenly accept data even though it still shows a distinct upward trend. Will you still accept then next few months data where preliminary numbers show a noticeable increase?
Not sure what you mean by suddenly, I've accepted this data consistently. Yes it shows a warming trend of 0.13C per decade. However, if you remove the 1997/1998 and 2015/2016 ENSO events that warming trend is pretty much flat. And in that same time CO2 has risen from 337 ppm to 413 ppm a 22.6% increase.
 

Frankfooter

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Not sure what you mean by suddenly, I've accepted this data consistently. .
Here is the global surface temperature, not 'atmospheric' as you only use.
Note that it includes NASA, GISS as well as satellite.

I'm glad to hear that you accept the satellite data.
Enjoy.

 

K Douglas

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Here is the global surface temperature, not 'atmospheric' as you only use.
Note that it includes NASA, GISS as well as satellite.

I'm glad to hear that you accept the satellite data.
Enjoy.

I don't see the proper UAH satellite data set on here. This is simply alarmist propaganda from skeptical science.
 

Frankfooter

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I don't see the proper UAH satellite data set on here. This is simply alarmist propaganda from skeptical science.
Tell me why you refuse to look at satellite surface temperature and only refer to satellite troposphere temperatures.
 

K Douglas

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Tell me why you refuse to look at satellite surface temperature and only refer to satellite troposphere temperatures.
I would expect you to know that satellites alone don't have the ability to read surface temperatures, mainly due to cloud cover. The RSS dataset does include some data on ocean surface temperatures but it's mixed with temperature readings taken from buoys. Furthermore, it only goes back to early 2000's.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Hey Frankie, I want you too look very carefully at this meme which makes fun of Lefties.
See anything familiar?? (top and middle left side)

 

Frankfooter

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I would expect you to know that satellites alone don't have the ability to read surface temperatures, mainly due to cloud cover. The RSS dataset does include some data on ocean surface temperatures but it's mixed with temperature readings taken from buoys. Furthermore, it only goes back to early 2000's.
Right, so satellite temperature data isn't surface data its troposphere data.
That's the first point in the debate, you are comparing apples to oranges.

The second, and more important point is what you call the 'proper' data.
UAH has gone through multiple revisions based on errors like not correcting for satellite drift, over the years and you seem to link only to old and faulty data.
That's what you call 'proper'.

The errors and corrections are noted in this story:
https://www.theguardian.com/environ...rian-climate-scientists-temperature-estimates
And here:
What Christy and Spencer focus on is the temperatures measured far above the Earth’s surface in the troposphere and the stratosphere. Generally, over the past few decades these two scientists have claimed the troposphere temperatures are not rising very rapidly. This argument has been picked up to deny the reality of human caused climate change – but it has been found to be wrong.

What kinds of errors have been made? Well first, let’s understand how these two researchers measure atmospheric temperatures. They are not using thermometers, rather they are using microwave signals from the atmosphere to deduce temperatures. The microwave sensors are on satellites which rapidly circle the planet.

Some of the problems they have struggled with relate to satellite altitudes (they slowly fall over their lifetimes, and this orbital decay biases the readings); satellite drift (their orbits shift east-west a small amount causing an error); they errantly include stratosphere temperatures in their lower atmosphere readings; and they have incorrect temperature calibration on the satellites. It’s pretty deep stuff, but I have written about the errors multiple times here, and here for people who want a deeper dive into the details.
The list of corrections to the UAH set are also noted here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAH_satellite_temperature_dataset

So where that leaves us is that I link to the new corrected temperature sets, which agree with the surface temp sets, and you stick with the old and faulty sets because they fit your confirmation bias.
That is what you are calling 'proper'.

And of course, Roy Spencer is a creationist, so there's that as well.
 
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