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Toronto Police investigating alleged group assault at St. Michael’s College School

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Seriously Bramladesh? You sound like a bigot.
Have you been to Bramladesh recently? It's a modern day suburban ghetto full of illiterate people.

Brown has practically no leadership experience. His memoir full of tattle-tailing which was just released really does not elicit much confidence in him as a person who has sound judgement.

It's already in the crapper but going lower!
 

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Upper Canada College (UCC) had a problem where teachers abused students and the school had to settle several lawsuits. I wonder if this will happen if the parents sue the school or the parents of the other kids.

It's actually safer to send your kid to a public school with Police, cameras and metal detectors.

Private schools are like prisons except fancy uniforms replace the orange jump suits but the environment is HYPER competitive and cut throat and while many alumni are proud to associate with their school, many want nothing to do with it.

If you watch the cartoon Archer (yes I know it's only a cartoon) you will see the horrible experiences he had at an all boys school. But he sure knows how to have fun now!

Mind you, these schools like St. Mike's and UCC have produced many high achievers who have contributed to society and don't act like this...or who are at least smart enough not to get caught.

If someone went to one of these schools and said it was horrible, no one would believe them because everyone thinks they are such wonderful places. (I won't say which one I went too, although I'm sure lots of alumni hobby on this site. Work hard, play hard!)

Don't get me started on the girls schools like Branksome, Bishop Strachan or Havergal. Some of their "old girls" post on this site.

At private school, you're dealing with the same idiots except there's more money and ego.

Take a look at how Brett Kavanaugh behaved at his fancy private school and he still was confirmed on the supreme court.

Oh well. Enough for me. Feel free to agree or disagree with my comments and lets have an interesting discussion.

BTW. There are a lot of nice parts of Brampton too even though I don't live there.

It's actually an interesting thing thst has been developing in Canada and the U.S. and that is the suburban ghetto which is replacing inner city ghettos which are being gentrified. I'd better not get started talking about urban planning!
 

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I couldn't help myself!

Even if the school expelled 10 or so offenders, I wouldn't be surprised if their academic spots were filled the very next week by new students as schools like these have a waiting list filled with kids who can't wait to get into such a wonder place where they will "network and make friends for life". Ok...I have to stop here and focus on the other fun stuff.
 

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Decades of "progressive liberal policies" means that parents, teachers and schools are no longer allowed to discipline their kids/students (child abuse, you know).
 

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But they look so sharp in their school jackets and ties! And Catholics need a separately fully funded system of their own so they can impart their superior morality to the children of the holy flock, and avoid contact with the tainted worldly public schools.
 

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Have you been to Bramladesh recently? It's a modern day suburban ghetto full of illiterate people.

Brown has practically no leadership experience. His memoir full of tattle-tailing which was just released really does not elicit much confidence in him as a person who has sound judgement.

It's already in the crapper but going lower!
Plenty very educated and rich Sikhs there.
 

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Upper Canada College (UCC) had a problem where teachers abused students and the school had to settle several lawsuits. I wonder if this will happen if the parents sue the school or the parents of the other kids.

It's actually safer to send your kid to a public school with Police, cameras and metal detectors.

Private schools are like prisons except fancy uniforms replace the orange jump suits but the environment is HYPER competitive and cut throat and while many alumni are proud to associate with their school, many want nothing to do with it.

If you watch the cartoon Archer (yes I know it's only a cartoon) you will see the horrible experiences he had at an all boys school. But he sure knows how to have fun now!

Mind you, these schools like St. Mike's and UCC have produced many high achievers who have contributed to society and don't act like this...or who are at least smart enough not to get caught.

If someone went to one of these schools and said it was horrible, no one would believe them because everyone thinks they are such wonderful places. (I won't say which one I went too, although I'm sure lots of alumni hobby on this site. Work hard, play hard!)

Don't get me started on the girls schools like Branksome, Bishop Strachan or Havergal. Some of their "old girls" post on this site.

At private school, you're dealing with the same idiots except there's more money and ego.

Take a look at how Brett Kavanaugh behaved at his fancy private school and he still was confirmed on the supreme court.

Oh well. Enough for me. Feel free to agree or disagree with my comments and lets have an interesting discussion.

BTW. There are a lot of nice parts of Brampton too even though I don't live there.

It's actually an interesting thing thst has been developing in Canada and the U.S. and that is the suburban ghetto which is replacing inner city ghettos which are being gentrified. I'd better not get started talking about urban planning!
Most schools don't have metal detectors or police stationed in them.

The rougher school are definitely not private schools. I'm not saying private school is any better but it's more of a country club type atmosphere.

The reason why many high achievers come from these high rep. private schools has more to with the economic status of the kids rather than their overall talent level.
 

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According to CityNews it was the media that alerted TPS, the school apparently lied about notifying them.
 

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The all powerful Catholic Church will circle the wagons fearing people will pull their kids which in reality means losing$$$$

You always have to be concerned when something like this happens and are told "They launched their own investigation" aka coverup.
 

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This isn’t unique to St. Mikes, or Catholic schools, or rich private schools for that matter. Unfortunately hazing, and specifically this type (with a broomstick) happens frequently enough that many teams will think it’s normal. In Canada it happened at McGill and the team (including coaches) closed ranks and the victim eventually left the school (and ended up playing for U of T (and McGill cancelled the football season midway after public outcry). It happened in the US last week at a Maryland high school. It’s even happened in the NFL (Miami Dolphins), and when the victim complained, most of the teammates circled around the the veteran teammate rather than the abused rookie. In fact, it probably happens multiple times more than is ever reported. People think it’s repressed “gayness” but it’s like any rape - more about power and dominance, which is what any hazing ritual is about. Unfortunately, probably way more common than people realize.
 

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But they look so sharp in their school jackets and ties! And Catholics need a separately fully funded system of their own so they can impart their superior morality to the children of the holy flock, and avoid contact with the tainted worldly public schools.
Even though I agree that a publicly funded catholic board is ridiculous, St Mikes is private.
 

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Even though I agree that a publicly funded catholic board is ridiculous, St Mikes is private.
I went to publicly funded catholic school, it's not much different than public school. Sluttier girls are definitely at the catholic schools. I still have permanent bodily damage from my high school years, I even won the fight when it happened.

Due to a culture where homosexuality is very taboo, schools with lots of black/brown kids don't have any of this forced homosexual shit going on. It's not even jokes about.
 

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'Toxic masculinity' or 'a brotherhood': St. Mike’s alumni weigh in on life at the school

BY NEWS STAFFPOSTED NOV 15, 2018 5:25 PM ESTLAST UPDATED NOV 15, 2018 AT 7:08 PM EST

Some St. Michael’s College School alumni are painting markedly different pictures of the realities of student life at the storied private school after allegations of group sexual assault surfaced this week.

CityNews spoke to a former student who says he attended the all-boys private Catholic school between 2009 and 2013 and described an atmosphere of “toxic masculinity” that still troubles him to this day.

The former student, who didn’t want his name used, said he was verbally bullied throughout all of the four years he attended.

“There’s a lot of big egos at the school and there always has been and people always want to be on top and stand out and there’s very toxic masculinity that goes on there,” he said in a phone interview Thursday. “I was definitely abused verbally.”

The former student says he tried out for the football and hockey teams, but never made the cut. He also alleged that hazing was an unpleasant, but frequent part of student life.

“There was a lot of hazing,” he alleged. “And a lot of times it did go too far and that contributed to me leaving after Grade 10. There’s other personal reasons why I left, but being bullied, I couldn’t take it anymore.”

Another former student reached out to CityNews through email, sharing this disturbing account:

“My clothes were thrown in the trash, students would spit, grab me or throw the odd punch. On at least two occasions other students rubbed their genitals on me.”

Akil Thomas, a Los Angeles Kings draft pick, attended the school between 2015 and 2016. He said he didn’t see any evidence of harassment or hazing during his two years playing on the school’s hockey team.

“I’ve never seen any of that when I was there … The only rookie thing I had to do was pack the bags onto the bus,” he said.

“I felt that St. Mike’s was pretty strict in terms of behaviour, If you went on a road trip or spent a weekend somewhere, the coaches and everyone was really strict on how we behaved.”


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Thomas, who is currently living in Los Angeles and is a prospect with the Kings, said he was perplexed when he heard about the allegations that students recorded a sexual assault and shared it online.

Police have since come forward saying the video is considered child porn and advised students to delete it immediately.

“I felt there was more of a brotherhood at St. Mike’s,” he said. “We were all brothers. That’s why I can’t really wrap my head around this current situation.”

Neither can a former junior football player named Mike, who says he graduated in 2018.

“I myself played on the junior football team … We never had any instances like this. The camaraderie … in the dressing room was big. We all pulled jokes here and there, everything you’d expect from a typical sports team. But never an instance like that has ever happened on any of the sports teams at St. Mike’s that I’ve been a part of or bore witness to.”

Former Toronto city councillors Joe Mihevc and Josh Colle both attended St. Michael’s College School and are lamenting the allegations that have thrust their alma mater into the spotlight for all the wrong reasons.

Mihevc and Colle played football at the school, but contend the atmosphere was anything but toxic.

Mihevc, who lost to Josh Matlow (Ward 12) in the recent election, said he enjoyed his time as a student and athlete.

“Honestly, I didn’t experience that and I played on the football team,” he said on Thursday. “But this goes back to the early ’70s, so honestly I can’t speak to how things have been through the last little while. But for me that wasn’t the case when I was there.”

According to the St. Michael’s College website, Colle has long ties to the school. Both he and his father attended, and two of his sons are currently enrolled there.

The former TTC chair, who announced his retirement from municipal politics in July, said he never experienced bullying or saw anything like the alleged incidents that police are now investigating.

“Certainly at my time at the school I never noticed any of that, and if anything it was quite the opposite,” he said. “It was an environment of camaraderie and nurturing from staff … so no, certainly that was not my experience at St. Mike’s.”

Both say they’re upset by the recent allegations that have led to student expulsions and a police probe.

“When you hear it’s your old school, that’s also further upsetting,” Mihevc said. “It’s tough.”

“To me … the first and primary reaction is for the poor child, for whom this (allegedly) happened. That’s my primary concern and of course I’m concerned about a very good school and this tarnishing their reputation.”

St. Michael’s College School is rich with tradition. Founded in 1852, it has boasted several notable alumni, including NHL stars Eric Lindros, Bobby Bauer, Frank Mahovlich, Tyler Seguin and Jason Spezza.

Former Ontario Conservative Party leader and current mayor-elect of Brampton Patrick Brown also attended the school.

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2018/11/15/toxic-masculinity-or-a-brotherhood-st-mikes-alumni-weigh-in-on-life-at-the-school/
 

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For those people who say we don't have a rape culture. I say bullshit.
We don't. Several mentally disturbed jocks or closet gays acting out in an isolated incident isn't a campus rape culture.

When I went to school, this shit was not that uncommon. Just as well it's being shut down and curtailed. At the same time, expulsion - as opposed to a period of suspension - seems a little harsh.
Students raping other students certainly deserves expulsion, at a minimum.
 

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Word I hear is it is specifically about rich and jocks - football team hazing.

But with the money behind the program, I doubt any of their sports program will be cancelled.
I heard it was the football team and they withdrew themselves from the tournament of champions that they host
 

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We don't. Several mentally disturbed jocks or closet gays acting out in an isolated incident isn't a campus rape culture.



Students raping other students certainly deserves expulsion, at a minimum.
How many times does this stuff have to happen to not be "isolated incidences?"

Someone else provided past examples. And it's fair to say those are just the ones that get reported. If the video was not released would we be hearing about this one?

People will down play it and that's exactly what you are doing. Therefore, you are enabling it.

Even look at the language in the news.... hazing, group assault.... the cops called it sexual assault with a weapon and making of child porn.

Even your idea that these are closeted gays is stupid. It implies that gay people like to gang up and stick broom sticks up asses which is false. Again trying to downplay it..... "it's not the hetero majority.... it's closeted gays"

The fact the people say they knew of stuff like this when they were kids decades ago and it is still going on suggests it's still a problem. It's not going away. Because people aren't doing much about it.

Hockey has done the smart thing which is two adults in the change rooms at all times. But most sports the locker room is not supervised.


There's a disturbing number of men/boys out there being abused that really doesn't get talked about.

Anyways, your denial is well documented. So we won't be speaking.
 

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I went to publicly funded catholic school, it's not much different than public school. Sluttier girls are definitely at the catholic schools. I still have permanent bodily damage from my high school years, I even won the fight when it happened.

Due to a culture where homosexuality is very taboo, schools with lots of black/brown kids don't have any of this forced homosexual shit going on. It's not even jokes about.
This is total BS. The idea that it is a white rich problem. First off let's say it is the football team. Are you aware that they offer scholarships for kids to play there. Many of their best players are kids who can't afford to be there.

Off the top of my head there were those black kids who live streamed on facebook an assault a few years back. This is an example of poor, black and not jocks. I'm sure there are more examples out there.
 
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