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Hillary in 2020? The only one worse than Trump

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I can't see her beating Bernie, Biden or even Beto if she runs for the Un Democratic nomination. That is unless she rigs the primaries again.
 

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I just warms me when I think of her thinking about the loss. How she apparently was breaking glasses and lunged at her election team. And had to be sedated.

Knowing her dreams were killed so cruelly brings a sweet smile to my face.....
Keep your wanking fantasies to yourself, butler.
We're talking politics here.
 

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Keep your wanking fantasies to yourself, butler.
We're talking politics here.
Lol. I'm not the one defending a war mongering influence peddling cheat.
 

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I can't see her beating Bernie, Biden or even Beto if she runs for the Un Democratic nomination. That is unless she rigs the primaries again.
She's the only one of the 4 who can afford to buy the party.
 

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Lol. I'm not the one defending a war mongering influence peddling cheat.
You're defending Trump, right?
A piss showering traitor who is actively screwing over the entire country.
How is Trump's work in Syria, Afghanistan, Yemen and North Korea going, by the way?
 

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ROFLMAO!!!! So, now that she knows how the Electoral College works, she'll have a real chance.
She will not get past the nominations, if she decides to stand. No doubt a younger more vibrant candidate will restore some sanity into the Whitehouse. The Democrats have numerous contenders in that respect!!
 

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She's the only one of the 4 who can afford to buy the party.
A huge proportion of the republican campaign funds are drained into trump's pockets via his Hotels / Towers. Seems like Clinton's campaign funds are pocket change in comparison, as there is no proof that it goes into her accounts.
 

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A huge proportion of the republican campaign funds are drained into trump's pockets via his Hotels / Towers. Seems like Clinton's campaign funds are pocket change in comparison, as there is no proof that it goes into her accounts.
Why would she put the Democratic campaign budget into another one of her personal accounts, when she completely controls it, and she can spend it on what she wants (to get elected)?
 

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I agree fully with you, and perhaps someone like O'Rourke could be the right fit.

HC didn't win the popular vote by accident. She has an incredible strong base, highly intelligent and rounded in all areas. Honestly, I think she could make a serious run at 2020, but would come up short this time with the popular.
She did everything right in 2016 up to the election. But post election, the made one mistake, and that was blaming others. It led to other democrats distancing themselves from her.

Both Michelle Obama and Oprah would be perfect choices to try where Hillary came short. Both are wealthy, intelligent, and well liked. But both have declined any interest to the idea.
Sweetie, I certainly agree with you 100% on this. There is no doubt that both Obama and Oprah will campaign religiously this time once the nominee has been elected.
 

bver_hunter

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Why would she put the Democratic campaign budget into another one of her personal accounts, when she completely controls it, and she can spend it on what she wants (to get elected)?
This whole funding by large Corporations for Hilary's Campaign has been blown out of proportion by the right wing media. Yes, the large Corporations did support her candidacy as they believed it was no just about tax cuts, but generally for global stability. We are seeing that stability being eroded gradually. This time round I doubt Clinton will get the same support she that she did the last time round. But the point of it all is that she DID NOT PERSONALLY BENEFIT FINANCIALLY. Now we know that Trump also received a large amount of donations. But a huge chunk these donations were spent on his the use of the Trump Towers and Hotels. He has Personally Benefited from it!!
 

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I agree fully with you, and perhaps someone like O'Rourke could be the right fit.

HC didn't win the popular vote by accident. She has an incredible strong base, highly intelligent and rounded in all areas. Honestly, I think she could make a serious run at 2020, but would come up short this time with the popular.
She did everything right in 2016 up to the election. But post election, the made one mistake, and that was blaming others. It led to other democrats distancing themselves from her.

Both Michelle Obama and Oprah would be perfect choices to try where Hillary came short. Both are wealthy, intelligent, and well liked. But both have declined any interest to the idea.
I would disagree.
HC was cleaning up in the election, then the Trump pussy grabbing tape came out. Just as that scandal threatened to really kill Trump, the Putin/Assange/Stone hacks mysteriously came public. That took the pressure of Trump and put the focus on Clinton.
And even with the Russian hacks HC likely would have won had Comey not made public the warrant.

Both Trump and Clinton were the most unpopular choices for POTUS ever, but it took foreign aid for Trump to still win.
 

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She will not get past the nominations, if she decides to stand.
I'm not so sure.

Every knock against her -- she has a losing record, she has no personality, she's been accused of criminal behaviour, her husband is a sexual predator -- was as true in 2016 as it is today. Yet the Democrats nominated her.

Democrats also maintain that she "won" the popular vote and plenty continue to insist that Trump "stole" the election.

I'm not suggesting she has a lock on the 2020 nomination. But I wouldn't be too quick to rule out the possibility she gets nominated again.
 

bver_hunter

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I'm not so sure.

Every knock against her -- she has a losing record, she has no personality, she's been accused of criminal behaviour, her husband is a sexual predator -- was as true in 2016 as it is today. Yet the Democrats nominated her.

Democrats also maintain that she "won" the popular vote and plenty continue to insist that Trump "stole" the election.

I'm not suggesting she has a lock on the 2020 nomination. But I wouldn't be too quick to rule out the possibility she gets nominated again.
She is not the right candidate and has had her turn. However, she was a better debater than Trump, but too lazy to travel round and campaign in different States.

What really ruined it for her was definitely the reopening of her email investigation. The polls prior to that had her about 9 to 10 points ahead of trump. That would be similar to the midterm results.

After the investigation was reopened she tanked to with 1 -3 points ahead of Trump. That did translate into the popularity votes but she lost in the key states that favoured trump in the Electoral College.

But we know that Trump is the biggest sexual predator with the locker room tapes clearly confirming it from his very own mouth. Again only the right wing media made those wild allegations against Clinton's so called crimes. Where has that gone?? Trump on the other hand has been investigated for his tax returns by the Washington Post, and the Democrats will definitely investigate all those Trump criminal activities. It is very good news that the Democrats finally took over the House!!
 

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I am sure you "enjoy the thought of Hillary" far too often to be normal, Butler. FFS just move on. She's no longer relevant. Thinking about her obsessively just feeds your fantasies of "the deep state" and "neo cons" and all the other silliness in your head.
Be fair. It is how us Leafs fans still always look back the '67. We are nostalgiac for the good old days when things were good. Butler is just doing the same because it looks like we are on the downhill side of repug/trump (or Bernie?) glory days.
 

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No, no, no.
Putin stole the election to put the useful fool in power.
She is not the right candidate and has had her turn. However, she was a better debater than Trump, but too lazy to travel round and campaign in different States.

What really ruined it for her was definitely the reopening of her email investigation. The polls prior to that had her about 9 to 10 points ahead of trump. That would be similar to the midterm results.

After the investigation was reopened she tanked to with 1 -3 points ahead of Trump. That did translate into the popularity votes but she lost in the key states that favoured trump in the Electoral College.

But we know that Trump is the biggest sexual predator with the locker room tapes clearly confirming it from his very own mouth. Again only the right wing media made those wild allegations against Clinton's so called crimes. Where has that gone?? Trump on the other hand has been investigated for his tax returns by the Washington Post, and the Democrats will definitely investigate all those Trump criminal activities. It is very good news that the Democrats finally took over the House!!
Hillary's run for the nomination -- and I believe she will pursue it -- will force Democrats to make a decision about what happened in 2016.

Do they really believe Hillary's 1,001 explanations for why she lost -- Russian collusion / James Comey / media bias / sexism / climate change / etc. -- or is it possible the critics are right and her main problem was that she was a terrible candidate?

Plenty of Democrats have insisted that Hillary was an excellent candidate who was the victim of unfair interference. They may be forced to decide in 2020 whether they genuinely believe it.
 

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Again only the right wing media made those wild allegations against Clinton's so called crimes.
Actually, Clinton settled out of court in the Paula Jones matter and was disbarred from practising law in Arkansas and in front of the Supreme Court.
 

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Sweetie, I certainly agree with you 100% on this. There is no doubt that both Obama and Oprah will campaign religiously this time once the nominee has been elected.
Worked well in the midterms
 

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Actually, Clinton settled out of court in the Paula Jones matter and was disbarred from practising law in Arkansas and in front of the Supreme Court.
Bill Clinton is not running for Presidency. That was in reference to Hillary Clinton!
 
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