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Ontario bill aims to strip returning terrorists of provincial privileges

mandrill

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Finally someone that is trying to do something.

With a quarter of the nearly 200 Canadian members of overseas terrorist groups returning home and at least a dozen more held in Syrian detentions camps, an impending private-members bill will ensure they’re not entitled to benefits enjoyed by law-abiding Ontarians, the Sun has learned.

Set to be tabled at Queen’s Park next week, the Terrorist Activity Sanctions Act targets those who’ve carried out terrorist acts abroad and excludes them from such privileges as holding an Ontario driver’s licence or accessing provincial health coverage.

“It’s my strong belief that somebody who’s committed a criminal act as a terrorist outside of Canada, when they come back to Ontario, they should not have more privileges than somebody who lives in Ontario,” said Peterborough—Kawartha MPP Dave Smith, the bill’s sponsor.

“Since the Federal Government doesn’t seem to take this seriously, I felt obligated to take action and send a message that there are consequences for leaving Ontario to commit indefensible crimes.”

These crimes are referenced in Section 83 of the Criminal Code and include such acts as hijacking, jeopardizing the safety of civil aviation, hostage-taking and financing terrorist acts, as well as violations of international treaties, including maritime navigation and unlawful importation of nuclear material.
Dependent children would also be considered ‘in need of protection’ as defined by the Child, Youth and Family Services Act.

“These are privileges that, under different circumstances, we take away from people right now if they commit various crimes,” Smith said.

“The Federal Government is sitting on their hands as terrorists sit in foreign jails waiting to return to our beautiful province.”

Intelligence numbers obtained by the Sun say as many as 200 Canadians are still active members in overseas terrorist groups like ISIS. Of those, over a quarter have already returned to Canada — with few facing criminal repercussions for their activities abroad.

About a dozen Canadians are being held by anti-ISIS forces in Syria, while an unknown number of others were either killed in battle, executed by ISIS or managed to slip away undetected.

Under the bill, offenders would find themselves stripped of their Ontario drivers licence and hunting and fishing licences, as well as access to OHIP, grants and loans for post-secondary education, disability income and housing support, rent-geared-to-income under the Housing Services Act, and WSIB coverage.

At issue is what to do with Canadian citizens who leave home to join terror organizations abroad.

This week, the Trudeau Liberals faced harsh questions in the house over a Global News report concerning dialogue between Canadian consular officials and Jack Letts, a British-Canadian ISIS member being held by Kurdish forces.

Letts, dubbed ‘Jihadi Jack’ by the British media, converted to Islam before leaving England in 2014 to allegedly join ISIS’s atrocity-laden quest to create an Islamic caliphate in Syria.

Transcripts obtained by Global reveal Letts responding enthusiastically to overtures from officials of either returning to Great Britain, or relocating to Canada.

The U.K. government has expressed no interest in assisting Letts.

Meanwhile, Smith hopes his bill will send a message that will resonate beyond provincial borders.

“I have had numerous people come up to me with concerns, they want to know that a convicted terrorist cannot walk around freely without real consequences,” he said. “If they are not in a jail cell, they do not deserve the same privileges of every Ontarian.”

“Some acts are unforgivable,” Smith said.

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Actually, I understand that HARPER AND THE TORIES BROUGHT THOSE ISIS GUYS BACK, NOT TRUDEAU. In fact, the Liberals have allowed very few ISIS guys to come back to Canada. Harper let them back and did nothing to control them. He was too disorganized and lazy to get the job done.
 

mandrill

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More people will back conservatives because of this, anything is better than nothing like the dummy of Trudeau

Like I said, Harper brought the ISIS people back. Not Trudeau. Once again, you're not doing basic research.
 

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Khadr was 16 and under the influence of his father. And he got railroaded at his "trial" and was held in Gitmo for a decade or so and tortured. Even if the guy was SS, I would have given him a pass on that stuff.

Trudeau gave him the award because a court would have given him twice as much. Now I know that you are personally smarter than any judge, including the judges on the Supreme Court. In fact, you probably have 65 law degrees sitting on your wall right now. But the REAL judges - including all those judges appointed by Harper and the Tories who in fact made up the majority of the bench - are the ones who actually make the law in this country.

So I guess your legal opinion doesn't count for much.
I wasn’t offering legal opinion, only personal opinions. Notice, Trudeau was happy to pay off the terrorist rather than give him his day in court. The headlines in The Star would have been unpalatable for his ego
 

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I wasn’t offering legal opinion, only personal opinions. Notice, Trudeau was happy to pay off the terrorist rather than give him his day in court. The headlines in The Star would have been unpalatable for his ego
There were notable cases such as that of David Milgaard ending in a $10 million settlement in 1999 and Steven Truscott receiving $6.5 million in 2008. The Supreme Court of Canada unanimously agreed Khadr’s rights were violated when Canadian officials interviewed him as a youth without legal representation while he was being deprived of sleep at the U.S. military prison. In light of this you should blame the Harper Government for doing absolutely nothing when Khadr was held in Guantanamo Bay and tortured there at the age of 15. Trudeau is always blamed for everything, but the majority of Canadians go by the facts and not just the right wing rhetoric that floods the internet.
 

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There were notable cases such as that of David Milgaard ending in a $10 million settlement in 1999 and Steven Truscott receiving $6.5 million in 2008. The Supreme Court of Canada unanimously agreed Khadr’s rights were violated when Canadian officials interviewed him as a youth without legal representation while he was being deprived of sleep at the U.S. military prison. In light of this you should blame the Harper Government for doing absolutely nothing when Khadr was held in Guantanamo Bay and tortured there at the age of 15. Trudeau is always blamed for everything, but the majority of Canadians go by the facts and not just the right wing rhetoric that floods the internet.
The first 2 were criminal cases with flawed evidence, and there is no parallel between that and Canadians willfully leaving Canada to join a death cult for the sole purpose of waging war on civilians. Not to mention genocide, sexual slavery, rape and human trafficking among other things. These guys weren’t there on a peace corps mission, they knew what they signed up for. If Khadr’s rights were violated so what!!! Think of the rights of the American family who was deprived of a husband, father and son. Laws can be changed, we made it illegal for Canadians to go abroad and have sex with minors, and that’s punishable in Canada, I’m certain we can amend the criminal code to cover the prosecution of for the likes of ISIS fighters.
 

mandrill

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I wasn’t offering legal opinion, only personal opinions. Notice, Trudeau was happy to pay off the terrorist rather than give him his day in court. The headlines in The Star would have been unpalatable for his ego

The headlines were pretty awful for him anyway, as the Sun and other far right sources immediately started the urban legend that he'd given the $$$ voluntarily to impress his alleged SJW friends, when in fact he was basically told to do it by his lawyers.

Trudeau had nothing to lose from going to court in terms of PR. All the alleged fuck-ups and infractions took place during Harper's administration and Harper brought Khadr back to Canada. Trudeau just had to clean up Harper's stale turds and pay for the damages.

So why Trudeau should be afraid of the headlines in the media is beyond me. You might want to re think your post and ask for a do-over.

If I had been Trudeau, I would have forced the case to trial, lost the trial to the tune of $20 million or so, then published the judge's decision on my website to show a). that I had no choice but pay; b). it was all the fault of Orion's personal pin up boy, Harper. That Trudeau didn't do exactly that was a political mistake.
 

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The headlines were pretty awful for him anyway, as the Sun and other far right sources immediately started the urban legend that he'd given the $$$ voluntarily to impress his alleged SJW friends, when in fact he was basically told to do it by his lawyers.

Trudeau had nothing to lose from going to court in terms of PR. All the alleged fuck-ups and infractions took place during Harper's administration and Harper brought Khadr back to Canada. Trudeau just had to clean up Harper's stale turds and pay for the damages.

So why Trudeau should be afraid of the headlines in the media is beyond me. You might want to re think your post and ask for a do-over.

If I had been Trudeau, I would have forced the case to trial, lost the trial to the tune of $20 million or so, then published the judge's decision on my website to show a). that I had no choice but pay; b). it was all the fault of Orion's personal pin up boy, Harper. That Trudeau didn't do exactly that was a political mistake.
Trudeau will wear paying off a convicted terrorist in the next election. I can just see billboards and TV commercials of Trudeau standing under a cheque made out to Omar Khadr and then his “fireside chat with Boyle”
 

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Trudeau will wear paying off a convicted terrorist in the next election. I can just see billboards and TV commercials of Trudeau standing under a cheque made out to Omar Khadr and then his “fireside chat with Boyle”
1) it's long done
2) its Harper's fault.

You need a real issue.
 

Darts

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Interesting. Just saw the son of the first Muslim who committed terrorist acts on American soil interviewed on CNN. He basically said that the best thing that happened to him (the son) was when his father was sent to prison because his father could no longer groom him (the son) to also be an Islamic terrorist. The son is doing good.
 

bver_hunter

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The first 2 were criminal cases with flawed evidence, and there is no parallel between that and Canadians willfully leaving Canada to join a death cult for the sole purpose of waging war on civilians. Not to mention genocide, sexual slavery, rape and human trafficking among other things. These guys weren’t there on a peace corps mission, they knew what they signed up for. If Khadr’s rights were violated so what!!! Think of the rights of the American family who was deprived of a husband, father and son. Laws can be changed, we made it illegal for Canadians to go abroad and have sex with minors, and that’s punishable in Canada, I’m certain we can amend the criminal code to cover the prosecution of for the likes of ISIS fighters.
Khadr did not leave Canada wilfully as stated by you. He was a minor who was taken to Afghanistan by his parents and instructed to support the terrorist groups. You cannot say that he knew what he was signing up for as a minor. Khadr was also injured in that attack and was allegedly responsible for throwing that grenade. They could have left him in jail, but the torture etc. was apparently perpetrated by the Harper regime against a minor. If you look at Canadian Laws then minors involved in killings cannot be convicted. If the Trudeau regime continued with challenging the Supreme Court against Khadr, then they would have ended paying up to two to three times they what they eventually paid out to Khadr!!
 

nottyboi

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I wasn’t offering legal opinion, only personal opinions. Notice, Trudeau was happy to pay off the terrorist rather than give him his day in court. The headlines in The Star would have been unpalatable for his ego
No his ego was less important then logic. The Supreme court had already ruled that Khadrs rights had been violated by the Canadian govt. FYI that is the highest court in the land in case you were unaware of that fact. There is NO COURT that can overrule them NONE. So you would prefer Trudeau waste tax payers money on a fight that had ALREADY been lost under Harper. In which case the $$ paid would be around the same PLUS costs. Trudeau made a BUSINESS DECISION. Funny how racism seems to be the main factor when you righties want govts to go against logic and business sense.
 

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The first 2 were criminal cases with flawed evidence, and there is no parallel between that and Canadians willfully leaving Canada to join a death cult for the sole purpose of waging war on civilians. Not to mention genocide, sexual slavery, rape and human trafficking among other things. These guys weren’t there on a peace corps mission, they knew what they signed up for. If Khadr’s rights were violated so what!!! Think of the rights of the American family who was deprived of a husband, father and son. Laws can be changed, we made it illegal for Canadians to go abroad and have sex with minors, and that’s punishable in Canada, I’m certain we can amend the criminal code to cover the prosecution of for the likes of ISIS fighters.

It is illegal and the Combating Terroism act is one way they can be prosecuted. But do you have ANY FUCKING IDEA what it would take to investigate, gather evidence, find reliable witnesses, and successfully mount a prosecution... you rightites make it sound all so easy. Harper made it all sound easy with Khadr, who ended up paying the price? You and me and the rest of Canada. Because the Harper Govt BROKE THE LAW.
 

mandrill

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Trudeau will wear paying off a convicted terrorist in the next election. I can just see billboards and TV commercials of Trudeau standing under a cheque made out to Omar Khadr and then his “fireside chat with Boyle”

Yes. And both will be unfair. As I said, Trudeau should have gone to trial on Khadr and simply let the judge hit him for damages well above the $10,000,000 that he settled for. It would be irresponsible administratively, but smart politically. If he did that, The Sun and your other favourite reading materials wouldn't allege that Trudeau was a terrorist lover.

And Boyle blew up in his hands; but when Trudeau initially met Boyle he was just some guy that had been rescued from the Taliban - albeit a weird sort of guy.

But what the hay!? You hate Trudeau. You will always hate Trudeau. Even if I tell you Trudeau is doing a decent enough job, you will still vote for an idiot like Scheer.
 
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basketcase

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I think the pendulum in this country has swung too far left and everybody is afraid of offending this group or that. Perhaps it’s time it swung back to the sensible center and call things for what they are. If you left to fight for ISIS because you were promised 70 virgins when you die, fuck you, stay there now until you can collect your remuneration”. As far as Ford goes, I’d rather see that money burned in court than having that poor excuse of a PM paying off Khadr and sitting down with that other asshole Boyle who was turned out to be a real prize. I hope someone makes campaign posters of Trudeau and Boyle to show what a complete imbecile this PM is.
How does any of this diatribe excuse Ford's government for wasting time and a large amount of money on a bullshit law that they know will never be allowed to stand?

So much for efficient and accountable government.
 

Orion1027

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How does any of this diatribe excuse Ford's government for wasting time and a large amount of money on a bullshit law that they know will never be allowed to stand?
Why you ask? Because the silent majority are pissed off at the idea of these assholes being allowed back into the country after leaving to join ISIS. I suppose it is a waste of time and money trying to inconvenience someone who has played soccer with a severed human head. Why are we even debating this? Leave them where they are, amend the laws and revoke their Canadian citizenship, especially if they were born overseas.
 

mandrill

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Why you ask? Because the silent majority are pissed off at the idea of these assholes being allowed back into the country after leaving to join ISIS. I suppose it is a waste of time and money trying to inconvenience someone who has played soccer with a severed human head. Why are we even debating this? Leave them where they are, amend the laws and revoke their Canadian citizenship, especially if they were born overseas.

Which fails to take into account that they're ours. I'm not thrilled with the prospect of paying for Bernardo's room and board for the rest of his life either; but Canadian law doesn't allow for capital punishment and so there he is. A fine Canadian for sure.

The point people are trying to make and which eludes you is that it's going to cost $$$MILLIONS to hold trials to find out if they're actually war criminals and extremists.

And you also miss the point that they would get a TRIAL on the issue of revoking their Canadian citizenship. Ohhh.......... didn't think of that, did you? Just thought it would suddenly happen one morning?..... No. They get trials. Same cost. Same evidence. And at the end of the day, an appeals court judge would rule it was all unconstitutional anyway. You want to waste that $??? I don't.

Oh and btw, Trudeau - you know, the guy who obsessively hate - is actually vetting the evidence against some of these detainees in case they're forced back on us. You know, so they don't suddenly just arrive and take the bus to the mall one day? So these trials may happen, except the Liberals will be doing them.
 

nottyboi

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Why you ask? Because the silent majority are pissed off at the idea of these assholes being allowed back into the country after leaving to join ISIS. I suppose it is a waste of time and money trying to inconvenience someone who has played soccer with a severed human head. Why are we even debating this? Leave them where they are, amend the laws and revoke their Canadian citizenship, especially if they were born overseas.
Ok then you are saying you want a racist law and...you really cannot stip someone of citizenship if you are a serious country. Its really against international law unless it has been obtained fraudulently.
 

Orion1027

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Ok then you are saying you want a racist law and...you really cannot stip someone of citizenship if you are a serious country. Its really against international law unless it has been obtained fraudulently.
Right away someone is labeled a racist because they don’t want terrorists repatriated. It you leave Canada to join a terrorist group you shouldn’t be allowed back in. The thought of having these assholes roaming free amongst us is repulsive. How would you like to live down the street from someone who has kicked someone’s severed head about or has bought and sold women who were sex slaves.
 
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